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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 12, 2018 7:08:18 GMT -5
hey no offense metoo, calling ball sand stikes here. maybe sometime we can get together and I ll share the teddy kennedy title ix story - it s a hoot 'there s a blond in every pond' - truely a lion Gibberish. For some reason, when I read your posts, I am forced to read them two and three times or more in attempts to understand them. |
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Post by greenblood on Feb 12, 2018 8:41:31 GMT -5
Seriously though! I am with you....cloak and dagger bull$hit. Enough already.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:58:14 GMT -5
hey no offense metoo, calling ball sand stikes here. maybe sometime we can get together and I ll share the teddy kennedy title ix story - it s a hoot 'there s a blond in every pond' - truely a lion Gibberish. For some reason, when I read your posts, I am forced to read them two and three times or more in attempts to understand them. I heard the government did a lot of experimenting with LSD in that area at one time. |
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Post by MTS on Feb 12, 2018 10:07:15 GMT -5
Siena is still a mid-major. The term mid-major vs low-major or high-major goes far beyond the short-term quality of the product on the floor. Siena spends like a mid-major, has the facilities of a mid-major (and a good one at that with the practice facility now), has the recent success of a mid-major (Siena has won 2 NCAA Tournament games in the last 10 years), and is affiliated with a conference that consistently sits in the 16-22 range out of 32 conferences. This team isn't good and wouldn't win the majority of games at most levels this season. But low-major teams are bound to 15 and 16 seed games if they make the NCAA Tournament. We know this not to be true. Low-major teams don't get 6,000 fans at their games. Low-major teams don't have the advantages we have. We are a mid-major team that has a bad coach and has hired 2 bad coaches in a row. But that doesn't all the sudden make you a low-major. Is Rutgers a mid-major because they haven't won in forever? Washington State? DePaul? Is Iona a high-major because they've won 20 games 7 years in a row? As for the arguments shared by the original post: Siena hasn't been losing players to up-transfers. Even when JO transferred briefly it wasn't for a higher level (went down in conference affiliation). Wright, Long, Bisping all could have left and moved up at points in their career and did not. You see that action in the NEC, like at Mount St. Mary's where they lost 3 starters to Miami, Texas, and Kansas State last season. As for recruiting, I think the statement made is accurate for mid-major programs as well (unless you are going to restrict the mid-major level to the A10 and Mountain West). Most are a step slow, a inch short, etc. But I have no doubt in my mind that Siena can recruit high-level mid-major players against A10 programs with the right coach. Most of the points here are more relevant in the gap between high-major and mid-major programs than in mid-major vs low-major programs IMO. 100% agree with this post...Northwestern did not make their first NCAA until last year - were they a mid-major? Of course not. Siena fits the mid-major status by every metric and in some they meet the high mid-major metric the problem is they are now on an elongated slump and the program is starting to drift towards irrelevance and the perception of being a quality program is very hard to get back once it is gone. Siena will have lost 20 games for the third time in six years. Very possibly two 24 loss seasons in that time frame. Siena is 111-146 (.432) with no major postseason tournaments in 8 years - that's two presidential terms. The bleeding has to stop now...that's why they've just got to suck it up now and clean house in March. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 12, 2018 10:24:50 GMT -5
seems very obvious to anyone paying attention that Siena right now is a "LOW" mid-major................ugh
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Post by saintsgrad on Feb 12, 2018 15:35:49 GMT -5
Siena is still a mid-major. The term mid-major vs low-major or high-major goes far beyond the short-term quality of the product on the floor. Siena spends like a mid-major, has the facilities of a mid-major (and a good one at that with the practice facility now), has the recent success of a mid-major (Siena has won 2 NCAA Tournament games in the last 10 years), and is affiliated with a conference that consistently sits in the 16-22 range out of 32 conferences. This team isn't good and wouldn't win the majority of games at most levels this season. But low-major teams are bound to 15 and 16 seed games if they make the NCAA Tournament. We know this not to be true. Low-major teams don't get 6,000 fans at their games. Low-major teams don't have the advantages we have. We are a mid-major team that has a bad coach and has hired 2 bad coaches in a row. But that doesn't all the sudden make you a low-major. Is Rutgers a mid-major because they haven't won in forever? Washington State? DePaul? Is Iona a high-major because they've won 20 games 7 years in a row? As for the arguments shared by the original post: Siena hasn't been losing players to up-transfers. Even when JO transferred briefly it wasn't for a higher level (went down in conference affiliation). Wright, Long, Bisping all could have left and moved up at points in their career and did not. You see that action in the NEC, like at Mount St. Mary's where they lost 3 starters to Miami, Texas, and Kansas State last season. As for recruiting, I think the statement made is accurate for mid-major programs as well (unless you are going to restrict the mid-major level to the A10 and Mountain West). Most are a step slow, a inch short, etc. But I have no doubt in my mind that Siena can recruit high-level mid-major players against A10 programs with the right coach. Most of the points here are more relevant in the gap between high-major and mid-major programs than in mid-major vs low-major programs IMO. Good point with Mt St. Mary's. Looked up their coach Jamion Christian he's still young at 35 and hasn't had enormous success but he still won coach of the year in the NEC and can clearly recruit/develop talent. Do you know much about him if he could become a good coaching candidate? Seems like an option to me |
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 12, 2018 16:21:13 GMT -5
Siena is still a mid-major. The term mid-major vs low-major or high-major goes far beyond the short-term quality of the product on the floor. Siena spends like a mid-major, has the facilities of a mid-major (and a good one at that with the practice facility now), has the recent success of a mid-major (Siena has won 2 NCAA Tournament games in the last 10 years), and is affiliated with a conference that consistently sits in the 16-22 range out of 32 conferences. This team isn't good and wouldn't win the majority of games at most levels this season. But low-major teams are bound to 15 and 16 seed games if they make the NCAA Tournament. We know this not to be true. Low-major teams don't get 6,000 fans at their games. Low-major teams don't have the advantages we have. We are a mid-major team that has a bad coach and has hired 2 bad coaches in a row. But that doesn't all the sudden make you a low-major. Is Rutgers a mid-major because they haven't won in forever? Washington State? DePaul? Is Iona a high-major because they've won 20 games 7 years in a row? As for the arguments shared by the original post: Siena hasn't been losing players to up-transfers. Even when JO transferred briefly it wasn't for a higher level (went down in conference affiliation). Wright, Long, Bisping all could have left and moved up at points in their career and did not. You see that action in the NEC, like at Mount St. Mary's where they lost 3 starters to Miami, Texas, and Kansas State last season. As for recruiting, I think the statement made is accurate for mid-major programs as well (unless you are going to restrict the mid-major level to the A10 and Mountain West). Most are a step slow, a inch short, etc. But I have no doubt in my mind that Siena can recruit high-level mid-major players against A10 programs with the right coach. Most of the points here are more relevant in the gap between high-major and mid-major programs than in mid-major vs low-major programs IMO. Good point with Mt St. Mary's. Looked up their coach Jamion Christian he's still young at 35 and hasn't had enormous success but he still won coach of the year in the NEC and can clearly recruit/develop talent. Do you know much about him if he could become a good coaching candidate? Seems like an option to me Jamion is an awesome coach who built that program from the bottom. Record isn’t sterling but a big part of that is they play a ton of road games and buy games in OOC play to balance budgets.. Not sure Siena could pull him TBH. He is under contract through 2026-27 (doubt his buyout is that crazy but if we are paying a big buyout to JP we might not be able to pay that too) and he has a sterling reputation in the business. I think he’d be in line for an A10 gig. Possible we could land him but I wouldn’t count on it. |
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