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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 26, 2018 13:08:29 GMT -5
I look at Brad Stevens as the coaching ideal. Calm, collected, competitive, analytical, positive reinforcer, humble, and charismatic. I'd say that 10 games a year were won by him for Butler. He was their best 'player'. He knows the stats, he knows the tendencies, and he knows how get his teams to work it to their advantage. All those points that I feel Jimmy loses for us just on decision making...a guy like Stevens doesn't. He generally wins the 'coaching margin' most games. He's like a 6th man that's always on the court. Jimmy interprets this as he should actually be standing on the court. that one year during our STELLAR run, we played that bracketbuster game at Hinkle, which was the marquis match up for that event of all mid-majors in the country...........we led at halftime, but adjustments by Stevens changed the outcome to a Butler victory.................. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:21:43 GMT -5
I look at Brad Stevens as the coaching ideal. Calm, collected, competitive, analytical, positive reinforcer, humble, and charismatic. I'd say that 10 games a year were won by him for Butler. He was their best 'player'. He knows the stats, he knows the tendencies, and he knows how get his teams to work it to their advantage. All those points that I feel Jimmy loses for us just on decision making...a guy like Stevens doesn't. He generally wins the 'coaching margin' most games. He's like a 6th man that's always on the court. Jimmy interprets this as he should actually be standing on the court. that one year during our STELLAR run, we played that bracketbuster game at Hinkle, which was the marquis match up for that event of all mid-majors in the country...........we led at halftime, but adjustments by Stevens changed the outcome to a Butler victory.................. If I remember correctly, he likely zoned the hell out of us...knowing we couldn't shoot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:35:58 GMT -5
Think your %'s are way off. Look at a guy like Brad Stevens and what he did at Butler. He took largely mid-major players and turned them into a championship caliber team. If you think guys like Willie Veasley, Zach Hahn, Ronald Nored, Chase Stigall etc..were superstars...you'd be wrong. Brad Stevens was the most valuable guy on that team even the 2 years they had Gordon Hayward. He made decisions that won games for them. He knew his opponents better than they knew themselves. the GREAT John Wooden was quoted as saying the college game is ALL about coaching while the NBA is ALL about the players.............. From Wikipedia: Yahoo! Sports compared Stevens to legendary coach John Wooden writing "Brad Stevens is winning at Butler the Wooden way – calm and composed on the sideline." Wooden agreed, saying, "I enjoy watching [Stevens] and very much enjoy [Butler's] style of play." |
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 26, 2018 13:42:41 GMT -5
that one year during our STELLAR run, we played that bracketbuster game at Hinkle, which was the marquis match up for that event of all mid-majors in the country...........we led at halftime, but adjustments by Stevens changed the outcome to a Butler victory.................. If I remember correctly, he likely zoned the hell out of us...knowing we couldn't shoot. game was Feb 2010, Butler was ranked at the time..................we were up 31-28, but as was the case for Butler during that period of time, they really clamped down defensively, and they typically would hold teams to 60 pts or fewer..........they came out aggressively and smothered us by winning 70-53 ............plus they did what they did best offensively, which was hit the long ball, that day it was 9-20..............they returned the trip to Albany the next season (Mitch's first yr) as part of the bracket-buster agreement and they won 70-57 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:46:53 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, he likely zoned the hell out of us...knowing we couldn't shoot. game was Feb 2010, Butler was ranked at the time..................we were up 31-28, but as was the case for Butler during that period of time, they really clamped down defensively, and they typically would hold teams to 60 pts or fewer..........they came out aggressively and smothered us by winning 70-53 ............plus they did what they did best offensively, which was hit the long ball, that day it was 9-20..............they returned the trip to Albany the next season (Mitch's first yr) as part of the bracket-buster agreement and they won 70-57 The way I remember was that Moore was able to penetrate and hit the bigs in the 1st half. Then they took that away and Moore ended the game 0-9 because they dared him to shoot. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 26, 2018 14:09:37 GMT -5
game was Feb 2010, Butler was ranked at the time..................we were up 31-28, but as was the case for Butler during that period of time, they really clamped down defensively, and they typically would hold teams to 60 pts or fewer..........they came out aggressively and smothered us by winning 70-53 ............plus they did what they did best offensively, which was hit the long ball, that day it was 9-20..............they returned the trip to Albany the next season (Mitch's first yr) as part of the bracket-buster agreement and they won 70-57 The way I remember was that Moore was able to penetrate and hit the bigs in the 1st half. Then they took that away and Moore ended the game 0-9 because they dared him to shoot. yes, and Ubiles was bad from what I can recall, a poor shooting performance, a lot had to do with the Bulldogs of course..................that Butler team would grind you out, they played mostly aggressive man D.........I remember Fran describing the scout before they played them and he said he showed his team a lot of film on just Butler defense, he was super impressed saying that team could play with anyone because of their ability to strangle teams while taking advantage of a prolific 3pt offense (sure enough, they got to the final 4 only to lose by 2 to Duke in the championship)............ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 14:41:25 GMT -5
The way I remember was that Moore was able to penetrate and hit the bigs in the 1st half. Then they took that away and Moore ended the game 0-9 because they dared him to shoot. yes, and Ubiles was bad from what I can recall, a poor shooting performance, a lot had to do with the Bulldogs of course..................that Butler team would grind you out, they played mostly aggressive man D.........I remember Fran describing the scout before they played them and he said he showed his team a lot of film on just Butler defense, he was super impressed saying that team could play with anyone because of their ability to strangle teams while taking advantage of a prolific 3pt offense (sure enough, they got to the final 4 only to lose by 2 to Duke in the championship)............ Butler only shot 34.2% from three that year. It wasn't THAT prolific. 9 of 11 MAAC teams THIS year are shooting better than that. And #10 is Quinny who is now at 34%. Hayward only shot 29.4% from three. Butler beat you the same way those Siena teams beat you...only they did it better. Get to the FT line more than your opponent, take care of the ball, and defend. This is why I credit Stevens so much...statistically speaking those teams weren't ELITE at anything really....except defending great without fouling....and then getting to the FT line themselves. Butler's PPS was a huge 1.40 that year because of their FTs...tied for 8th in the nation. This is why focus I on this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 15:27:26 GMT -5
As an aside, I was 2 of 3 from the Hinkle FT line just before practice - the bulldog was awesome (as was the cute little cheerleader tasked with keeping him happy) - it was a great trip
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 26, 2018 15:44:04 GMT -5
yes, and Ubiles was bad from what I can recall, a poor shooting performance, a lot had to do with the Bulldogs of course..................that Butler team would grind you out, they played mostly aggressive man D.........I remember Fran describing the scout before they played them and he said he showed his team a lot of film on just Butler defense, he was super impressed saying that team could play with anyone because of their ability to strangle teams while taking advantage of a prolific 3pt offense (sure enough, they got to the final 4 only to lose by 2 to Duke in the championship)............ Butler only shot 34.2% from three that year. It wasn't THAT prolific. 9 of 11 MAAC teams THIS year are shooting better than that. And #10 is Quinny who is now at 34%. Hayward only shot 29.4% from three. Butler beat you the same way those Siena teams beat you...only they did it better. Get to the FT line more than your opponent, take care of the ball, and defend. This is why I credit Stevens so much...statistically speaking those teams weren't ELITE at anything really....except defending great without fouling....and then getting to the FT line themselves. Butler's PPS was a huge 1.40 that year because of their FTs...tied for 8th in the nation. This is why focus I on this. and your right on the FT's...........but the point being, they hit their 3's, while not allowing opponents because of the D...........no MAAC team this yr would sniff that much of an open look against that Bulldog team............. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 17:13:02 GMT -5
I’d like to point out the Patsos is a freaking genius. Hes bilked the Siena Family for a small fortune over his tenure without producing. How gullible are we, the alum and the admin? It’s ridiculous that this huckster has pulled the wool over all our eyes while padding his vactioning ass bank account. If he’s fired this year good riddance JP, if not, good riddance Siena basketball because this program is doomed.
JP take your money, your severance and get the hell out of Loudonville.
#BRINGINAWINNER
I get up way to early ..... I’m slurring my fingers.
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Post by MTS on Jan 26, 2018 17:33:55 GMT -5
I’d like to point out the Patsos is a freaking genius. Hes bilked the Siena Family for a small fortune over his tenure without producing. How gullible are we, the alum and the admin? It’s ridiculous that this huckster has pulled the wool over all our eyes while padding his vactioning ass bank account. If he’s fired this year good riddance JP, if not, good riddance Siena basketball because this program is doomed. JP take your money, your severance and get the hell out of Loudonville. #BRINGINAWINNER I get up way to early ..... I’m slurring my fingers. JP is a grifter... I agree the program is DEAD and may NEVER recover if they bring him back even for one more year. Hope they're not shortsighted - bite the bullet and eat the money now. Because the lost money in the long run will be a lot worse. Here's the most incredible stat this season - Patsos has ZERO technicals this year (not counting his ejection in the exhibition game). That doesn't mean he's settled down it means IMO that he's given up and checked out and I think he's been checked out for a while now - counting his money all the way to the bank! |
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Post by gorvy on Jan 26, 2018 18:00:34 GMT -5
I’d like to point out the Patsos is a freaking genius. Hes bilked the Siena Family for a small fortune over his tenure without producing. How gullible are we, the alum and the admin? It’s ridiculous that this huckster has pulled the wool over all our eyes while padding his vactioning ass bank account. If he’s fired this year good riddance JP, if not, good riddance Siena basketball because this program is doomed. JP take your money, your severance and get the hell out of Loudonville. #BRINGINAWINNER I get up way to early ..... I’m slurring my fingers. JP is a grifter... I agree the program is DEAD and may NEVER recover if they bring him back even for one more year. Hope they're not shortsighted - bite the bullet and eat the money now. Because the lost money in the long run will be a lot worse. Here's the most incredible stat this season - Patsos has ZERO technicals this year (not counting his ejection in the exhibition game). That doesn't mean he's settled down it means IMO that he's given up and checked out and I think he's been checked out for a while now - counting his money all the way to the bank! This is great, I look forward to a few jp techs this week and maybe an ejection. Come on, give me something for my money! |
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Post by siena12077 on Jan 26, 2018 22:17:35 GMT -5
The way I remember was that Moore was able to penetrate and hit the bigs in the 1st half. Then they took that away and Moore ended the game 0-9 because they dared him to shoot. yes, and Ubiles was bad from what I can recall, a poor shooting performance, a lot had to do with the Bulldogs of course..................that Butler team would grind you out, they played mostly aggressive man D.........I remember Fran describing the scout before they played them and he said he showed his team a lot of film on just Butler defense, he was super impressed saying that team could play with anyone because of their ability to strangle teams while taking advantage of a prolific 3pt offense (sure enough, they got to the final 4 only to lose by 2 to Duke in the championship)............ Not long after they played Butler I remember Fran in the coaches poll ranked Butler 2nd overall in the country. I remember him being criticized for it and some posters saying he was trying to boost Siena's RPI etc for possible at large if necessary at the end of the year. Butler then went on to the national championship game which didn't make it seem foolish later on |
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