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Post by OneIndian on Jan 19, 2018 10:46:48 GMT -5
Solid start. Incredible to me how much better Horn looks. I think he’s improved throughout the season but I also think it’s a confidence thing. He looked so bad in mid-December, now he looks like a double-digit scorer. Confidence ... absolutely key both Jordon and Tommy. That’s why letting kids play through mistakes is so important
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 10:47:44 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks Jimmy should get some props for giving THJ room to find his game? Sent from my SM-G935P using proboards Yes, because he should have found it a month earlier.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 19, 2018 10:51:31 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks Jimmy should get some props for giving THJ room to find his game? Sent from my SM-G935P using proboards Probably. Rex stumbled on Tommy and Jordon out of desperation and his roulette type substitution patterns. All he’s done all season is throw various combos of players in and out to see if anything would stick. Kids are in and out of his doghouse on a revolving basis. Don’t know how you can recruit and spend so much time with these kids and be so out of touch with their strengths / weaknesses and skill sets.
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Post by james on Jan 19, 2018 10:54:30 GMT -5
Tom Heurter is much more servicable than Fisher because he is faster,can jump higher,block shots and defend better.But there is no way Jimmy will allow him Fisher's playing time for reasons that puzzle me.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 19, 2018 10:58:26 GMT -5
Is Shivers the new guy in Pastos doghouse? He should be until he learns to keep the ball moving and play under control. We need his energy but anyone who goes on a turnover streak right now should hit the bench...no exceptions. This team isn't good enough on defense to be able to afford throwing the ball away. If they take care of the ball like last night the rest of the season...they will be a MUCH better team because they generally have been rebounding well thanks largely to Penn being a plus rebounding PG. Like I said before FT disparity and Turnover Margin are costing them 10 pts per game. Get the turnover margin to break even and they just gained like 5 or 6 PPG on their opponents. Since Smithen is WAY better at taking care of the ball than Shivers...he should start with this in mind. Penn, Horn, and Smithen is the best ball control backcourt we can put out there...and Heurter's facilitation from the 4 gives Siena even more of an edge. Playing Penn, Horn, Smithen and Heurter all 25+ mpg the rest of the way is probably the key to the rest of the season. Forcing Penn and Horn to be more aggressive when playing with other guys who naturally defer as well should be a good thing. JP still throws 2 BIGS out there, and it is a disaster...............geezus...........
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 19, 2018 10:59:59 GMT -5
He should be until he learns to keep the ball moving and play under control. We need his energy but anyone who goes on a turnover streak right now should hit the bench...no exceptions. This team isn't good enough on defense to be able to afford throwing the ball away. If they take care of the ball like last night the rest of the season...they will be a MUCH better team because they generally have been rebounding well thanks largely to Penn being a plus rebounding PG. Like I said before FT disparity and Turnover Margin are costing them 10 pts per game. Get the turnover margin to break even and they just gained like 5 or 6 PPG on their opponents. Since Smithen is WAY better at taking care of the ball than Shivers...he should start with this in mind. Penn, Horn, and Smithen is the best ball control backcourt we can put out there...and Heurter's facilitation from the 4 gives Siena even more of an edge. Playing Penn, Horn, Smithen and Heurter all 25+ mpg the rest of the way is probably the key to the rest of the season. Forcing Penn and Horn to be more aggressive when playing with other guys who naturally defer as well should be a good thing. JP still throws 2 BIGS out there, and it is a disaster...............geezus........... Had 3 in last night Oduro Fisher and THJ in the 2nd half. Had me scratching my head.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:01:24 GMT -5
Patsos looks at games a lot in the same way most fans look at games...emotionally.
Sometimes I wish he'd step back and really think of a plan...and be a bit more analytical.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:04:25 GMT -5
Tom Heurter is much more servicable than Fisher because he is faster,can jump higher,block shots and defend better.But there is no way Jimmy will allow him Fisher's playing time for reasons that puzzle me. They should not be competing for the same minutes hardly at all in my opinion unless it's because Shivers is on fire and Smithen plays more 4.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:21:22 GMT -5
Had 3 in last night Oduro Fisher and THJ in the 2nd half. Had me scratching my head. Last 3 games, average mpg: Fisher = 23.3 Huerter = 24.7 Oduro = 28.7 So Fisher + Oduro = 52 mpg. I'm ok with 12 mpg of big lineups without Clareth as long as it doesn't get any higher. In reality, if anyone's mins should fall, I'd take it from Prince first. He's the most likely to make a mistake out of those 3 and he has the lowest points per shot, rebound rate, and turnover ratio. So, in every way statistically, he's worse. In reality, we need his athletic impact and ability to aggressively get a hoop or a stop when the offense stalls but it should be tempered a bit more than it is.
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Post by $cott on Jan 19, 2018 11:35:01 GMT -5
Had 3 in last night Oduro Fisher and THJ in the 2nd half. Had me scratching my head. Last 3 games, average mpg: Fisher = 23.3 Huerter = 24.7 Oduro = 28.7 So Fisher + Oduro = 52 mpg. I'm ok with 12 mpg of big lineups without Clareth as long as it doesn't get any higher. In reality, if anyone's mins should fall, I'd take it from Prince first. He's the most likely to make a mistake out of those 3 and he has the lowest points per shot, rebound rate, and turnover ratio. So, in every way statistically, he's worse. In reality, we need his athletic impact and ability to aggressively get a hoop or a stop when the offense stalls but it should be tempered a bit more than it is. We are fine when Huerter is in there at the 4. The problems arise when Fisher and Oduro are in there together.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:52:37 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks Jimmy should get some props for giving THJ room to find his game? Sent from my SM-G935P using proboards Qualified props - what took you so long coach? - the talent came with him, he just needed your "help" to get his confidence up - no mean feat when playing for JP. Friday should be getting the same break - he just seems to be a guy that JP likes to harass - I guess someone has to be on the shitlist and Sammy seems to be on the "hit" parade more often than not, similar to Shivers, IMO....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 12:03:00 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks Jimmy should get some props for giving THJ room to find his game? Sent from my SM-G935P using proboards Qualified props - what took you so long coach? - the talent came with him, he just needed your "help" to get his confidence up - no mean feat when playing for JP. Friday should be getting the same break - he just seems to be a guy that JP likes to harass - I guess someone has to be on the shitlist and Sammy seems to be on the "hit" parade more often than not, similar to Shivers, IMO.... Yeah, props for taking the kid whom he really didn't even need to recruit, redshirting him, then burying him, and then being smart enough to play him when everyone else disappointed, left, or got sick. Woo woo.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 19, 2018 12:16:58 GMT -5
Man, you guys undervalue Otero. As of right now, he is the best freshman Big the Saints have had since Haddix. (Better than Rossiter, JO and OD were at the same points in their career.) Doesn't mean that he will end up as good as those guys but every minute he plays now will yield dividends down the road.
For those that decry the current roster's athleticism, he is the one guy on the roster with + size/strength. He has shown the ability to find open guys out of the post and is good facing the basket. His post moves need work but there aren't many Freshman with polished post moves.
I say, get him as many minutes as possible now, especially with Penn and Horn. Those are the guys you build around. Add Fisher for leadership, Huerter/Smithen for the dirty work, Richard for instant offense. Shivers role still needs to be better defined but he is one of the top 3 or 4 guys on the team (and probably the most experienced). That's your 8 man rotation.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 19, 2018 12:19:33 GMT -5
Had 3 in last night Oduro Fisher and THJ in the 2nd half. Had me scratching my head. Last 3 games, average mpg: Fisher = 23.3 Huerter = 24.7 Oduro = 28.7 So Fisher + Oduro = 52 mpg. I'm ok with 12 mpg of big lineups without Clareth as long as it doesn't get any higher. In reality, if anyone's mins should fall, I'd take it from Prince first. He's the most likely to make a mistake out of those 3 and he has the lowest points per shot, rebound rate, and turnover ratio. So, in every way statistically, he's worse. In reality, we need his athletic impact and ability to aggressively get a hoop or a stop when the offense stalls but it should be tempered a bit more than it is. Stats are for losers. oh, and Johnny Dangerously?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 12:34:03 GMT -5
In my opinion, after Montreal, Jimmy should have had all the answers he needed to succeed this year when Penn, Horn, Smithen, and Heurter all contributed positively.
The only remaining question was which guards to use at the PF....how to allocate Smithen, Shivers, and Heurter's minutes there.
Penn and Horn's time should not have been in question just because of a poor 1st of half of one exhibition.
It should have always been like this from day 1:
PG - Penn/Smithen SG - Horn/Richard SF - Clareth/Shivers/Smithen PF - Heurter/Shivers/Smithen/w/Camper as the wildcard C - Oduro/Fisher/Friday
The only question was how to work that PF spot and who would start. I said last summer that Shivers was best served to quickly come off the bench behind Clareth and at PF. Everybody else told me that he should be starting and he was going to be soooo great that Horn's ball control and shooting wouldn't get him to be the starter.
I was ok with Fisher as the token 5 - 10 mpg starter at PF IF Heurter couldn't do it...as both were coming off a great Montreal trips...but Heurter was always the potential IDEAL...with his height/speed combo...which Jimmy never understood. Heurter should have always been given 1st dibs.
After Montreal, Fisher deserved to be ahead of Friday and Degnan. Jimmy should have NEVER accentuated the unproven bigs by playing 2 at once.
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