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Post by greenblood on Feb 9, 2018 10:34:09 GMT -5
I understand your frustration but the dollars will be the determining factor. I don’t think the school is in a financial position to eat the costs. In any other situation I agree he’s gone. You might be right but if they weigh the amount of losses bringing him back the cost will be significantly higher. They’re looking at a bloodbath in attendance and corporate sponsors- nobody wants to be associated with a losing program and loser coach. Hopefully they see the big picture that financially terminating him now is the smart thing. I think it all rests on how many of the big $$ donors that ponied up for the CBI national championship and became (party)'buddies' with JP are willing to risk the relationship/connections he MIGHT bring to them for the sake of the flagship program of the school.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 9, 2018 10:39:08 GMT -5
You’re too negative- it’s going to be #5 if I had to guess. Nobody survives this. Either D’Arg or JP goes and because the HC is so visible it will be Patsos. I understand your frustration but the dollars will be the determining factor. I don’t think the school is in a financial position to eat the costs. In any other situation I agree he’s gone. I agree that dollars are the determining factor, and if Siena is pulling out of the endowment or other reserve funds to buy him out, then I don’t think you should get rid of him. As important as I think basketball is and as much as I love the team, I love the school and it would be an idiotic financial decision to pull 750k out of the endowment of a school that is not in good shape financially. That being said, I don’t think the majority of the costs will have to be taken by the school. The “boosters” (I understand we aren’t Syracuse but there are people with deep pockets who care deeply about the program) by all accounts don’t like JP whatsoever and certainly don’t like the direction the program is heading. They need to put their money where their mouth is, and if D’Arg has any backbone he’s on the phone as I type this with the people with money and getting a feel for how much they can get together. If they can’t get enough together, than I understand 1 more year of this mess with the cautious hope that Penn, Prince, and Horn continue to develop and with the edition of say Zachery and Welch we have at least a respectable season (17+ wins). Then JP would enter a year with 2 years on his deal (only that season guaranteed) if they held onto him for 1 more. If it tanks in 2018-19 you would just move on then.
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Post by $cott on Feb 9, 2018 10:53:46 GMT -5
As far as coaching candidates go I would have to think Ryan Odom is improving his stock. Took over an absolutely terrible UMBC program and went 21-13 last year taking them to the CIT finals. Now has them sitting in 2nd place in their league at 17-9 (8-3).
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Post by rickyp on Feb 9, 2018 11:02:12 GMT -5
I don't root or hope for anyone to lose there job.Because in the end there people like us,if there's a change so be it.But if there isn't a change there needs to be changes.So based on what I've seen so far it doesn't look like those changes will come.It just looks like dumbed down simple stuff.These kids aren't dumb but I'm sure you can show them a simple (BLOB)play.It's disheartened watching these players try and run a simple offense that doesn't work.And the end game it makes them look like s#!#:.I don't send my toddler outside looking like s:#!!# so how about you stop making these players look like that.JMO
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Post by MTS on Feb 9, 2018 11:02:53 GMT -5
You might be right but if they weigh the amount of losses bringing him back the cost will be significantly higher. They’re looking at a bloodbath in attendance and corporate sponsors- nobody wants to be associated with a losing program and loser coach. Hopefully they see the big picture that financially terminating him now is the smart thing. I think it all rests on how many of the big $$ donors that ponied up for the CBI national championship and became (party)'buddies' with JP are willing to risk the relationship/connections he MIGHT bring to them for the sake of the flagship program of the school. What has he really brought them? He’s embarrassed their school.
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Post by siena95 on Feb 9, 2018 11:05:11 GMT -5
I think it all rests on how many of the big $$ donors that ponied up for the CBI national championship and became (party)'buddies' with JP are willing to risk the relationship/connections he MIGHT bring to them for the sake of the flagship program of the school. What has he really brought them? He’s embarrassed their school. Seats w Brian Cashman at a yankee game, seats w/ high end coaches at the Kentucky derby etc... think a bit past just Siena.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 9, 2018 11:06:50 GMT -5
What has he really brought them? He’s embarrassed their school. Seats w Brian Cashman at a yankee game, seats w/ high end coaches at the Kentucky derby etc... think a bit past just Siena. Exactly.
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Post by MTS on Feb 9, 2018 11:07:50 GMT -5
I understand your frustration but the dollars will be the determining factor. I don’t think the school is in a financial position to eat the costs. In any other situation I agree he’s gone. I agree that dollars are the determining factor, and if Siena is pulling out of the endowment or other reserve funds to buy him out, then I don’t think you should get rid of him. As important as I think basketball is and as much as I love the team, I love the school and it would be an idiotic financial decision to pull 750k out of the endowment of a school that is not in good shape financially. That being said, I don’t think the majority of the costs will have to be taken by the school. The “boosters” (I understand we aren’t Syracuse but there are people with deep pockets who care deeply about the program) by all accounts don’t like JP whatsoever and certainly don’t like the direction the program is heading. They need to put their money where their mouth is, and if D’Arg has any backbone he’s on the phone as I type this with the people with money and getting a feel for how much they can get together. If they can’t get enough together, than I understand 1 more year of this mess with the cautious hope that Penn, Prince, and Horn continue to develop and with the edition of say Zachery and Welch we have at least a respectable season (17+ wins). Then JP would enter a year with 2 years on his deal (only that season guaranteed) if they held onto him for 1 more. If it tanks in 2018-19 you would just move on then. Had they won 12...had Nico and had some kids line-up in the pipeline I could see the spin. How are they going to spin this? Are they going to just hope their fanbase is full of rubes? They could always take a loan out. Furthermore if he was on such thin ice after the Canisius home game last year a termination for cause (or at a reduced buyout) could be considered. Bottom line you NEVER a coach who hasn’t won a title especially with three years left. Siena is run by some very stupid people.
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Post by MTS on Feb 9, 2018 11:09:04 GMT -5
What has he really brought them? He’s embarrassed their school. Seats w Brian Cashman at a yankee game, seats w/ high end coaches at the Kentucky derby etc... think a bit past just Siena. That’s pretty sad then. This program is dead.
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Post by $cott on Feb 9, 2018 11:10:20 GMT -5
I haven't seen Nick McDevitt mentioned on here either. Seems like his success at NC-Asheville would make him an attractive candidate and it doesn't appear that he's making much money.
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 9, 2018 11:19:22 GMT -5
whoever we bring in MUST have NORHTEAST recruiting connections
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Post by siena95 on Feb 9, 2018 11:47:23 GMT -5
Seats w Brian Cashman at a yankee game, seats w/ high end coaches at the Kentucky derby etc... think a bit past just Siena. That’s pretty sad then. This program is dead. Again, look beyond Siena basketball for your answer...movers and shakers like other movers and shakers.... whereas these guys may be Siena donors, don't think for a second they aren't their own donors 1st... and they should be. If a coach or whoever can get you into other, larger circles, that will take precedence over a small time basketball team. I don't know how to explain it any other way then life isn't just Siena hoops.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 9, 2018 11:48:37 GMT -5
whoever we bring in MUST have NORHTEAST recruiting connections agreed, we need the NY-NJ-PA-MA-CT pipeline again............that should be our wheelhouse, and not saying they don't extend beyond that as the evaluating process is done, but their is plenty of talent in those area's.........our guy seems to be stuck in the DMV (but that might be dept of motor vehicles instead)..........
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Post by sky on Feb 9, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -5
That’s pretty sad then. This program is dead. Again, look beyond Siena basketball for your answer...movers and shakers like other movers and shakers.... whereas these guys may be Siena donors, don't think for a second they aren't their own donors 1st... and they should be. If a coach or whoever can get you into other, larger circles, that will take precedence over a small time basketball team. I don't know how to explain it any other way then life isn't just Siena hoops. I think you are 100% correct...it's just like our politicians...on the surface they are there to serve the people...yeah...sure...
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Post by indian82 on Feb 9, 2018 12:40:14 GMT -5
I understand your frustration but the dollars will be the determining factor. I don’t think the school is in a financial position to eat the costs. In any other situation I agree he’s gone. You might be right but if they weigh the amount of losses bringing him back the cost will be significantly higher. They’re looking at a bloodbath in attendance and corporate sponsors- nobody wants to be associated with a losing program and loser coach. Hopefully they see the big picture that financially terminating him now is the smart thing. I am pretty sure they are weighing things with regard to their own finances. Do you KNOW they are losing money? Not making less money than before - LOSING money.
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