Siena Confessional

[greenblood]

Courageous post. And I know the downright ugly has happened repeatedly in this regime which is the reason for my discontent. Ask the LaRose family. I can watch bad basketball, hell I saw every game home and away Lanier's last year. Even Youngstown Ohio in a blizzard. But I'm sure the JP supporters will judge you as they have me. He was never the man to lead this program.

[MTS]

Thanks for sharing Rob. It’s very sad for our once proud program. I fully agree major changes have to be made. Sadly I don’t think the administration cares. I hope I’m wrong with that.

[gorvy]

Well keep in mind we hired him even though this article was posted:

bleacherreport.com/articles/112040-jimmy-patsos-is-a-jerk-episode-ii-star-player-jamal-barney-disgusts-his-coach

[Deleted]

Sadly Nolesaint, none of what you say surprises me. This kind of crap has been going on for several years - RM's frank post-graduation comments were put down by many simply because such "telling it like it was" statements are rarely if ever seen, especially as they relate to our Program, and believing them would force people to change their views of our HC. (Very similar to the way sexual harassment allegations are currently being received by so many!) I pulled the plug on MB when I saw some player treatment that went over the edge and at times it had been witnessed by a lurking D'Arg. JP's actions are similar and in many cases much worse, IMO. Having a couple of players fly commercial while the rest of the staff and the fat cat's travel in luxury is disgusting. Why didn't some staff or admins step up. I'll stick my neck out and suggest that if the fat cat's knew that there'd be hell to pay and possibly some volunteer transfers to the commercial flights (on D'Arg's nickel of course). No one should be surprised that JP openly displays his negative feelings towards those nailed to the right end of the bench when you consider his continued, albeit poor, recruiting to fill scholarship slots that are not now understood as available.

[sienafanallyearlong2]

Siena Admin. Please read this stuff. His thread did not come from a point of malice. None of our posts do. The people on this board love this program. Love this school. Love the history of how this program used to be viewed in this region that extended well beyond the alumni base like so many of us are on this board. Your losing your program right in front of your eyes and continue to stand idly by. Please listen. Save your program. Save your season. Stop the bleeding. Fire Jimmy; and Fire D'Arg now! Let the players play without so much stress. You might just get lucky and find something special that you pretty much know that you won't get with Jimmy!

[OneIndian]

And yet some here continue to defend this guy. Reprehensible.

[olddave]

Dec 6, 2017 6:42:12 GMT -5 @misspractice said:

Sadly Nolesaint, none of what you say surprises me. This kind of crap has been going on for several years - RM's frank post-graduation comments were put down by many simply because such "telling it like it was" statements are rarely if ever seen, especially as they relate to our Program, and believing them would force people to change their views of our HC. (Very similar to the way sexual harassment allegations are currently being received by so many!) I pulled the plug on MB when I saw some player treatment that went over the edge and at times it had been witnessed by a lurking D'Arg. JP's actions are similar and in many cases much worse, IMO. Having a couple of players fly commercial while the rest of the staff and the fat cat's travel in luxury is disgusting. Why didn't some staff or admins step up. I'll stick my neck out and suggest that if the fat cat's knew that there'd be hell to pay and possibly some volunteer transfers to the commercial flights (on D'Arg's nickel of course). No one should be surprised that JP openly displays his negative feelings towards those nailed to the right end of the bench when you consider his continued, albeit poor, recruiting to fill scholarship slots that are not now understood as available.

First congrats to nolasaint for his courageous post. You may be the Watergate of Siena. MP as usual a well written, insightful post. GB you spoke o me last year regarding the treatment of LaRose.

Why does the admin put up with this? Only the senior officials can answer that, but this attitude just leads to the verification that the current regime at Siena is lacking in basic management skills. 

For the lovers, everyone here that criticizes is a fan lover of the school. We want the school to be survive into the future. I would like to see one of my grandchildren attend. But if change is not made, both academically, athletically, globally at the institution, the school may not survive . The school is basically private sector, I worked in the private sector turning organizations around. Siena needs help, with nolasaint post has to remind you of the lack of caring regarding the current sexual harassment allegations against all. Been bashed here for my constant criticism of the admin, now its coming home to roost. Sincerely hope team turns it around.

[Deleted]

Dec 6, 2017 8:37:23 GMT -5 OneIndian said:

And yet some here continue to defend this guy. Reprehensible.

Who is defending Jimmy? I see people defending the players and trying to be optimistic about the season but nobody is really defending him as a coach.

People on this board seem to love to label people lovers and haters as much as society labels people liberals and conservatives. Many forget there is actually an area in between.

It was the same shit with Mitch.

[stbernie]

It is sad to come across information like this, however I am sure there is more behind this than any of us know. Everything is about money and many times programs make decisions based on financial best interest. I have played and coached at the college level and know first hand these decisions must be made given budget and the best interested of the program and team. I am not by any means saying I agree with it, but I do understand why these decisions are made as tough as they may be for the student athletes. Leaving players behind is commonplace in athletics as I watched my teammates not travel with the team on bus trips due to school budgets and have also had to leave athletes behind as a coach. It sucks to be on either end. I would hope that they spoke to these athletes and explained the situation early in the season so they could prepare and hope that they are flying to be with the team because they want to be there.

I will also say that I have seen the nasty things that can happen in the college athletics world. I had best friends that were not treated well given the time commitment and passion they had for playing alongside 'brothers' not just teammates. These kids were not receiving full ride scholarships.

Bottom line...this happens in many programs whether we know it or not because I have seen it in every program I have been involved in. Its ugly, but lets just hope the Coaches and Admins handled it correctly which I will not comment on because I do not know. I feel terrible if kids were treated poorly on and off the court because that is unacceptable.

[kmaz]

Dec 6, 2017 5:49:17 GMT -5 nolesaint said:

As many of you know, even though I haven't been around much in the last year or so my love of the Saints runs deep and has a long history. With this I have long standing connections throughout the community and within the school. So it is with confidence in the information and an heavy heart that I share this:

First:JP has been threatening, intimidating and down right ugly to nearly a handful of our players. I do not care about coaches being hard on their players this goes W A Y beyond that.

Second: This is what finally lead me to break my silence about what is happening within the program: The team has one charter flight scheduled for this season and JP with Darg's consent left two scholarship players off the charter and made them fly commercial. These two players had to fly commercial while admins and boosters flew on the charter. Just think about all the ways this is horribly horribly wrong! This wasn't a punishment for breaking rules, etc. it was punishment for not being liked by the coach. The coach and AD are an embarrassment and have to go!

For anyone who doesn't believe me all you have to do ask around with any connections you have and unless there was a last minute change of heart you will find that what I have posted is true. With this pattern of poor adult leadership that is hurting us more than in the W/L columns I think a few more people may be coming forward in the coming weeks with nuggets that will bring greater clarity to this simple fact: no matter the cost at the end of this season JP and Darg have to go. Money is tight at the school right now but a strong hoop program generates revenue and more and better applicants. Stop the bleeding protect the Siena community get rid of these abominations of our community's Franciscan values.

Enough is Enough

Disturbing to read this kind of stuff. Absolutely doesn't sit well, but I think some clarifications should be made. It reads as if it's happened yet you go on to say unless there was a change of heart it would happen. So you posted , without completely knowing. I'm troubled by both and just want clarification.
Kris

[rickyp]

I've played college basketball I've seen and heard things that would make you say huh from coaches and administration.I've come inside a locker room shared with our girls team and on the board was second half adjustments excuse my language get the N word spelled out.And the AD and coaches response it was a heat of the moment thing.Yeah heat of the moment that was left on the board.I've never defended JP since I've been on this board i care about the players.If that's true what your saying everything comes to the light.Oh yeah nothing was done to the coach or players.

[OneIndian]

Dec 6, 2017 9:23:09 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Dec 6, 2017 8:37:23 GMT -5 OneIndian said:

And yet some here continue to defend this guy. Reprehensible.

Who is defending Jimmy? I see people defending the players and trying to be optimistic about the season but nobody is really defending him as a coach.

People on this board seem to love to label people lovers and haters as much as society labels people liberals and conservatives. Many forget there is actually an area in between.

It was the same shit with Mitch.

Seriously? There are a few, look back and read a few posts. Not hard to find. I'm not going to single anyone out, but the label "haters" has been assigned by a few and on more than one occasion.

[OneIndian]

Dec 6, 2017 9:26:36 GMT -5 stbernie said:

It is sad to come across information like this, however I am sure there is more behind this than any of us know. Everything is about money and many times programs make decisions based on financial best interest. I have played and coached at the college level and know first hand these decisions must be made given budget and the best interested of the program and team. I am not by any means saying I agree with it, but I do understand why these decisions are made as tough as they may be for the student athletes. Leaving players behind is commonplace in athletics as I watched my teammates not travel with the team on bus trips due to school budgets and have also had to leave athletes behind as a coach. It sucks to be on either end. I would hope that they spoke to these athletes and explained the situation early in the season so they could prepare and hope that they are flying to be with the team because they want to be there.

I will also say that I have seen the nasty things that can happen in the college athletics world. I had best friends that were not treated well given the time commitment and passion they had for playing alongside 'brothers' not just teammates. These kids were not receiving full ride scholarships.

Bottom line...this happens in many programs whether we know it or not because I have seen it in every program I have been involved in. Its ugly, but lets just hope the Coaches and Admins handled it correctly which I will not comment on because I do not know. I feel terrible if kids were treated poorly on and off the court because that is unacceptable.

Blah blah blah....

[Deleted]

Dec 6, 2017 9:23:09 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Dec 6, 2017 8:37:23 GMT -5 OneIndian said:

And yet some here continue to defend this guy. Reprehensible.

Who is defending Jimmy? I see people defending the players and trying to be optimistic about the season but nobody is really defending him as a coach.

People on this board seem to love to label people lovers and haters as much as society labels people liberals and conservatives. Many forget there is actually an area in between.

It was the same shit with Mitch.

I agree with some of what you are saying but not all of it. There are some who actually have gone on record as saying they support everything, yes EVERYTHING, and to compound the impact of that view, they have reportedly (on this board) conveyed those exact words to all the powers to be at Siena! All of us, without exception, support the KIDS, want them to develop and win, but many of us that criticize the coach are "conveniently" lumped into the "haters of all things Siena" category thereby pulling the kids under that umbrella. It was the same shit with Mitch but his future at Siena as a HC was only seen early on by a few, shaped by what he had done years and years ago at Fairfield. Many of us saw the possibility of change given what Mitch had accomplished over his career since those early days of his career. We were labeled as "lovers" early on and as it turned out the very early naysayers had it right. JP, on the other hand, came into Siena as a very well known commodity with a current history that indicated a very likely continuation of the mediocrity he displayed at Loyola. That has been continued at Siena, to our dismay and frustration. I really believe his reported isolation of a couple of players early on in the season as a poorly disguised effort to cause a midseason transfer or two - that happening would a) give cover to his scholarship offers for unavailable slots, and b) give him an excuse as being left with fewer scholarship caliber players as we head towards the season's "All about the MAAC" pinnacle.

[OneIndian]

Dec 6, 2017 9:49:11 GMT -5 OneIndian said:

Dec 6, 2017 9:23:09 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Who is defending Jimmy? I see people defending the players and trying to be optimistic about the season but nobody is really defending him as a coach.

People on this board seem to love to label people lovers and haters as much as society labels people liberals and conservatives. Many forget there is actually an area in between.

It was the same shit with Mitch.

Seriously? There are a few, look back and read a few posts. Not hard to find. I'm not going to single anyone out, but the label "haters" has been assigned by a few and on more than one occasion.

Dec 6, 2017 9:51:10 GMT -5 @misspractice said:

Dec 6, 2017 9:23:09 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Who is defending Jimmy? I see people defending the players and trying to be optimistic about the season but nobody is really defending him as a coach.

People on this board seem to love to label people lovers and haters as much as society labels people liberals and conservatives. Many forget there is actually an area in between.

It was the same shit with Mitch.

I agree with some of what you are saying but not all of it. There are some who actually have gone on record as saying they support everything, yes EVERYTHING, and to compound the impact of that view, they have reportedly (on this board) conveyed those exact words to all the powers to be at Siena! All of us, without exception, support the KIDS, want them to develop and win, but many of us that criticize the coach are "conveniently" lumped into the "haters of all things Siena" category thereby pulling the kids under that umbrella. It was the same shit with Mitch but his future at Siena as a HC was only seen early on by a few, shaped by what he had done years and years ago at Fairfield. Many of us saw the possibility of change given what Mitch had accomplished over his career since those early days of his career. We were labeled as "lovers" early on and as it turned out the very early naysayers had it right. JP, on the other hand, came into Siena as a very well known commodity with a current history that indicated a very likely continuation of the mediocrity he displayed at Loyola. That has been continued at Siena, to our dismay and frustration. I really believe his reported isolation of a couple of players early on in the season as a poorly disguised effort to cause a midseason transfer or two - that happening would a) give cover to his scholarship offers for unavailable slots, and b) give him an excuse as being left with fewer scholarship caliber players as we head towards the season's "All about the MAAC" pinnacle.

Absolutely correct.