siena95
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Post by siena95 on Jan 5, 2017 10:13:41 GMT -5
It's a bit frightening that a team like Niagara, that pretty much bottomed out the last few years, has more athletes then Siena does. Nearly every guy they rolled out looked like he could play some and was up and down the court. Not saying they are great ballplayers or a great team, but to a man they seemed more athletic. Not sure if niagara has turned the corner, but they do have more wins then Siena right now and actually have a few road wins... what are those anyway?? JP's presser---- no idea why he even referenced he was "not left a pot of gold" Its 3+ years later,shouldn't matter, at ALL anymore... Also you TOOK the job. If it was so bad and so barren, why take it? This would be like me bitching my sales territory is dead, when I took the job and it was a un-represented area.... you know the facts going in. Bringing up where siena was 3+ years ago is a way to diffuse and deflect what is happening now. He is the wizard of oz, don't look behind the curtain, look over here.. he is the ultimate salesman as he pined for a job here before it was even open and talked about it until it was his... careful what you wish for Jimmy.
I can agree to a point this falls on the players, they need to execute, need to make plays... but as in all sports, practice and preparation are what allows players to be successful, to be in the right spot.... repetition of plays, working over and over.... THAT is where the staff fails. This team looks ill-prepared most nights and for a team who can not shoot at all (how in 2017 you don't have a roster full of shooters is one of the larger JP issues I have) they have no clue how to play vs a zone, so hoist up 15-20 footers that are missed all too often. Nico Wright and long were 7-31 last night. Scott on NU was 7-15. Just brutal stats. The season can be wrapped up in one 9 second spot last night. a Time-out with 9 on shot clock... How many of us said "no way they get a shot off"? I know I did... and surprise, surprise, they don't get a shot off.... again, yes on players to execute, but also on coaches to have plays drilled into their heads so it is second nature. I honestly have NO idea what the plan was for that play and all it took was niagara to press up and it was over. Jimmy may well know more about hoop then i ever will, but if you can't explain it, teach it and watch your pupils excel w/ that knowledge, what is the point?
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Post by MTS on Jan 5, 2017 10:35:48 GMT -5
Baghdad Jimbo
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 5, 2017 10:40:11 GMT -5
4-11 not expected for sure. All these tough losses will cost a coach his job, but if they get on stop here and there and don't blow easy shots all over the place they are probably 8-7 4-0 and everything is fine. It's a fine line between winning and losing, not so broad as some of you are making it out to be. I for one don't feel that an 8-7 record with 4 1,000 point senor scorers is "fine." The administration has been dumbing down Men's basketball expectations and the school is suffering for it. Applications to Siena have dropped severely since 2009 and 2010. US News dropped Siena 10 places in the rankings just this past year! I'll counter with... We have no qualms what so ever with dumping tax payer money into corporate welfare to compete with other countries rice bowl work forces but we take issue with free college education to compete with other nations doing the same. Something's fishy with that logic. End political rant
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Post by $cott on Jan 5, 2017 10:45:26 GMT -5
Burn your tickets. Stay home and be miserable. Can't even get that satisfaction since they gave me a stupid swipe card instead of tickets. We did move closer to #1 in the nation though last night. Another poor night from 3 dropped Siena from 335th in the nation to 339th. Just 12 spots to go to be the #1 worst 3 point shooting team in the nation. I have faith that with hard work and perseverance they can get there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 11:01:39 GMT -5
Gotta admire the stick to it attitude shown by the Purps - they never gave up trying to get us a win....great hosts but we just fought and fought and fought to hold that outcome off.....
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 5, 2017 11:02:47 GMT -5
It's a bit frightening that a team like Niagara, that pretty much bottomed out the last few years, has more athletes then Siena does. Nearly every guy they rolled out looked like he could play some and was up and down the court. Not saying they are great ballplayers or a great team, but to a man they seemed more athletic. Not sure if niagara has turned the corner, but they do have more wins then Siena right now and actually have a few road wins... what are those anyway?? JP's presser---- no idea why he even referenced he was "not left a pot of gold" Its 3+ years later,shouldn't matter, at ALL anymore... Also you TOOK the job. If it was so bad and so barren, why take it? This would be like me bitching my sales territory is dead, when I took the job and it was a un-represented area.... you know the facts going in. Bringing up where siena was 3+ years ago is a way to diffuse and deflect what is happening now. He is the wizard of oz, don't look behind the curtain, look over here.. he is the ultimate salesman as he pined for a job here before it was even open and talked about it until it was his... careful what you wish for Jimmy. I can agree to a point this falls on the players, they need to execute, need to make plays... but as in all sports, practice and preparation are what allows players to be successful, to be in the right spot.... repetition of plays, working over and over.... THAT is where the staff fails. This team looks ill-prepared most nights and for a team who can not shoot at all (how in 2017 you don't have a roster full of shooters is one of the larger JP issues I have) they have no clue how to play vs a zone, so hoist up 15-20 footers that are missed all too often. Nico Wright and long were 7-31 last night. Scott on NU was 7-15. Just brutal stats. The season can be wrapped up in one 9 second spot last night. a Time-out with 9 on shot clock... How many of us said "no way they get a shot off"? I know I did... and surprise, surprise, they don't get a shot off.... again, yes on players to execute, but also on coaches to have plays drilled into their heads so it is second nature. I honestly have NO idea what the plan was for that play and all it took was niagara to press up and it was over. Jimmy may well know more about hoop then i ever will, but if you can't explain it, teach it and watch your pupils excel w/ that knowledge, what is the point? The shot clock violation made it to the presser. HC tells group only :09 on shot clock, draws up play for two guys to touch the ball (Bisping & 'Quis) telling them again about the clock. When the player doesn't execute the play, it's on him. So some say, welll 'Quis isn't listening to the HC. Tuned him out. Okay, so what should the HC do? We all know the answer. Bench him. Send a message. BUT when he does that, he gets crushed for "not starting one of the five best players." How does a coach win? I'm not defending Jimmys actions. His off the court performance (recruiting, practice etc....)is a major issue with this group. He's the main issue right now, but giving these kids, who were fairly successful just last year, a pass is ridiculous. Nico had every chance to leave this summer. Could have RS'ed somewhere and got knee 100%, but he stayed. Brett graduated, and could have left, he stayed. The 3 seniors were against the wall. Lavon would never leave, he gets to play on the perimeter (Jimmys first real big mistake). So we're down to 'Quis and JO. Good talents, but severely lacking in leadership skills, and when your best players are asked to lead, but cant, you're going to struggle. I mean, lets face it, solid "B" season last year. We lost two kids. One 5th year big that was never a factor and a one dimensional guard that probably played a majority of his career off the bench. BUT both were HIGH CHARACTER kids. Let's hope we bring some more of them in next year. Talent isn't the only thing that wins ballgames. You need some balls too, and these two kids aren't showing any, regardless of how poor a job JP is doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 11:21:07 GMT -5
HJ, your points are valid but you fail to ask why it appears that some players aren't either listening or hearing JP - that may be on him and not the kid - I personally don't like the player specificity shown by JP when trying to explain a loss - calling them out by name over and over again is not, IMO, the way to retain, let alone build confidence - kid shoots and misses and the world hears about it - other coaches we have had seemed to always say "we" rather than name a player...not always maybe but never in the rinse, repeat mode we hear now
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Post by siena95 on Jan 5, 2017 11:29:10 GMT -5
HJ, you nailed it with the leadership thing and you and I have talked about that before. Team has no real alpha (perhaps a recruiting mistake). Nico appears he could be, problem is you can't have a guy take the team on his back if he is going to shoot 3-17 etc.... if everyone defers ALL the time, you end up with really bad possessions and when things don't go well on the court, who is yelling, shouting, coaching them up on the court? Funny how a little guy like Hymes was probably a really important piece when jimmy 1st got here (and he nearly left). he was fiery, talked a lot and as much as he was up and down on the court, name ONE guy on this team who could shoot better then him?
In the end JP will be held responsible for the ingredients that have created this f'd up soup. (not you soup) I mean he had to know by year 3, JO, Wright, Long were not gonna be those fiery on the court leaders, gonna need to coach his balls off to get the most out of these guys. haven't seen that and probably won't. And as far as recruits, again outside Nico, i see nothing to show someone will take this team over next year... actually, I dread what the starting 5 will be.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 5, 2017 11:40:52 GMT -5
Chicken and egg argument by some posters. Who recruited this mess, who is a lifetime 500 coach in same conference after 13 plus years.
Expecting a different outcome and thinking things are going to change with this guy is utter lunacy.
He is what he is and for very obvious reasons. Time to move on!
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Post by greenblood on Jan 5, 2017 12:55:37 GMT -5
HJ, you nailed it with the leadership thing and you and I have talked about that before. Team has no real alpha (perhaps a recruiting mistake). Nico appears he could be, problem is you can't have a guy take the team on his back if he is going to shoot 3-17 etc.... if everyone defers ALL the time, you end up with really bad possessions and when things don't go well on the court, who is yelling, shouting, coaching them up on the court? Funny how a little guy like Hymes was probably a really important piece when jimmy 1st got here (and he nearly left). he was fiery, talked a lot and as much as he was up and down on the court, name ONE guy on this team who could shoot better then him? In the end JP will be held responsible for the ingredients that have created this f'd up soup. (not you soup) I mean he had to know by year 3, JO, Wright, Long were not gonna be those fiery on the court leaders, gonna need to coach his balls off to get the most out of these guys. haven't seen that and probably won't. And as far as recruits, again outside Nico, i see nothing to show someone will take this team over next year... actually, I dread what the starting 5 will be. I would add that you can't have your alpha recruit star shopping to go higher ..there's too much smoke around that for there not to be some fire. I'm sure Nico's handlers are now thinking about whether he will see a NCAA trip in his career at Siena. Right now, it will take a miracle in March, IMHO. This team is not capable of a four game, four day win streak. I don't care where they play it.
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Post by olddave on Jan 5, 2017 13:07:56 GMT -5
4-11 not expected for sure. All these tough losses will cost a coach his job, but if they get on stop here and there and don't blow easy shots all over the place they are probably 8-7 4-0 and everything is fine. It's a fine line between winning and losing, not so broad as some of you are making it out to be. I for one don't feel that an 8-7 record with 4 1,000 point senor scorers is "fine." The administration has been dumbing down Men's basketball expectations and the school is suffering for it. Applications to Siena have dropped severely since 2009 and 2010. US News dropped Siena 10 places in the rankings just this past year! Why is that others also don't see the real challenge that the school has. Yes JP is the coach, an awful hire, in charge of day to day and not getting the job done. The real culprits of the Siena challenges are the administrators ,Board of Directors. The school has taken major challenges in this decade and not turned them into opportunities. For the purists who live in the past it is time for change, like it or not the school is not run well and if something is not done one wonders if it will survive.
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Post by $cott on Jan 5, 2017 13:18:28 GMT -5
HJ, you nailed it with the leadership thing and you and I have talked about that before. Team has no real alpha (perhaps a recruiting mistake). Nico appears he could be, problem is you can't have a guy take the team on his back if he is going to shoot 3-17 etc.... if everyone defers ALL the time, you end up with really bad possessions and when things don't go well on the court, who is yelling, shouting, coaching them up on the court? Funny how a little guy like Hymes was probably a really important piece when jimmy 1st got here (and he nearly left). he was fiery, talked a lot and as much as he was up and down on the court, name ONE guy on this team who could shoot better then him? In the end JP will be held responsible for the ingredients that have created this f'd up soup. (not you soup) I mean he had to know by year 3, JO, Wright, Long were not gonna be those fiery on the court leaders, gonna need to coach his balls off to get the most out of these guys. haven't seen that and probably won't. And as far as recruits, again outside Nico, i see nothing to show someone will take this team over next year... actually, I dread what the starting 5 will be. I would add that you can't have your alpha recruit star shopping to go higher ..there's too much smoke around that for there not to be some fire. I'm sure Nico's handlers are now thinking about whether he will see a NCAA trip in his career at Siena. Right now, it will take a miracle in March, IMHO. This team is not capable of a four game, four day win streak. I don't care where they play it. The way Nico has been playing I don't think Providence would want anything to do with him. He's certainly talented but so is every other kid playing in the Big East. He really brings nothing to a Big East team that they don't already have a better version of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 13:24:27 GMT -5
I would add that you can't have your alpha recruit star shopping to go higher ..there's too much smoke around that for there not to be some fire. I'm sure Nico's handlers are now thinking about whether he will see a NCAA trip in his career at Siena. Right now, it will take a miracle in March, IMHO. This team is not capable of a four game, four day win streak. I don't care where they play it. The way Nico has been playing I don't think Providence would want anything to do with him. He's certainly talented but so is every other kid playing in the Big East. He really brings nothing to a Big East team that they don't already have a better version of. Wormley
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