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Post by hoopsforever on Jan 2, 2017 21:31:22 GMT -5
 I figured this topic would get a LOT of interest! Yes, I see the problems in his play like everyone does, but the kid is not screwing up on purpose and as for his shooting, the more he misses, the smaller the rim gets, you all know how that goes. When you are shooting with no confidence, the results will not be good. I will still root for the kid and here's why: In a recent interview, Brett Bisping (whom I have a lot of respect for) called Evan "a real team guy, one of the best teammates I've ever played with". That's good enough for me. Based on that, kid deserves us rooting for him,not against him, I think. If Evan's as good a kid as Brett says he is, and I have no reason to doubt that, then he is a kid we all have to root for to break out of his shooting slump and contribute in some way. "A real team guy" wearing the Siena shirt,and right now Siena needs everyone to be real team guys. Just a thought - so if you hate Evan, blast away. I remember when Ryan Rossiter first came to Siena, there was this teenager who sat behind me and he hated him. Everytime he came in the game, kid booed and complained, and yelled for coach to take him out. We all know what happened there, Evan may not be another Ryan, but he can break out of his shooting slump, and I will offer this fan's support. Side note: both Monmouth and Iona lost on the road today, and Siena did compete today, unlike the Vermont disaster. Wednesday now becomes as big a game as Siena has faced all season.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 2, 2017 21:37:55 GMT -5
I agree he's on the team so all we can do is root for him when he's on the court. He's hitting them in practice, he's hit them before so why not again. Hopefully he will also continue to improve on defense and get more rebounds.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 2, 2017 22:25:30 GMT -5
I figured this topic would get a LOT of interest! Yes, I see the problems in his play like everyone does, but the kid is not screwing up on purpose and as for his shooting, the more he misses, the smaller the rim gets, you all know how that goes. When you are shooting with no confidence, the results will not be good. I will still root for the kid and here's why: In a recent interview, Brett Bisping (whom I have a lot of respect for) called Evan "a real team guy, one of the best teammates I've ever played with". That's good enough for me. Based on that, kid deserves us rooting for him,not against him, I think. If Evan's as good a kid as Brett says he is, and I have no reason to doubt that, then he is a kid we all have to root for to break out of his shooting slump and contribute in some way. "A real team guy" wearing the Siena shirt,and right now Siena needs everyone to be real team guys. Just a thought - so if you hate Evan, blast away. I remember when Ryan Rossiter first came to Siena, there was this teenager who sat behind me and he hated him. Everytime he came in the game, kid booed and complained, and yelled for coach to take him out. We all know what happened there, Evan may not be another Ryan, but he can break out of his shooting slump, and I will offer this fan's support. Side note: both Monmouth and Iona lost on the road today, and Siena did compete today, unlike the Vermont disaster. Wednesday now becomes as big a game as Siena has faced all season. For crying out loud it has absolutely nothing to do with hate and everything to do with ability. All you have to do is watch, he's not in the same league as a RyRo never was and never will be, he's not Brett either. Unfortunately he's athletically limited, extremely slow, extremely slow laterally, can't jump, has no inside game, no post footwork. He's suppose to be a shooter, not vs D1 too slow with his release. It's not a shooting slump. He's another Rex enigma recruit. Look I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just being honest. Im sure he's a leader, a team guy, a phenomenal teammate and probably an all around swell guy. Problem is he should be at St Rose. Unfortunately the attributes you mentioned do not make you a D1 athlete. Sorry! |
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Post by hockeyguy on Jan 2, 2017 23:24:23 GMT -5
I figured this topic would get a LOT of interest! Yes, I see the problems in his play like everyone does, but the kid is not screwing up on purpose and as for his shooting, the more he misses, the smaller the rim gets, you all know how that goes. When you are shooting with no confidence, the results will not be good. I will still root for the kid and here's why: In a recent interview, Brett Bisping (whom I have a lot of respect for) called Evan "a real team guy, one of the best teammates I've ever played with". That's good enough for me. Based on that, kid deserves us rooting for him,not against him, I think. If Evan's as good a kid as Brett says he is, and I have no reason to doubt that, then he is a kid we all have to root for to break out of his shooting slump and contribute in some way. "A real team guy" wearing the Siena shirt,and right now Siena needs everyone to be real team guys. Just a thought - so if you hate Evan, blast away. I remember when Ryan Rossiter first came to Siena, there was this teenager who sat behind me and he hated him. Everytime he came in the game, kid booed and complained, and yelled for coach to take him out. We all know what happened there, Evan may not be another Ryan, but he can break out of his shooting slump, and I will offer this fan's support. Side note: both Monmouth and Iona lost on the road today, and Siena did compete today, unlike the Vermont disaster. Wednesday now becomes as big a game as Siena has faced all season. For crying out loud it has absolutely nothing to do with hate and everything to do with ability. All you have to do is watch, he's not in the same league as a RyRo never was, never will be & not even close, he's not Brett either. He's athletically limited, extremely slow, extremely slow laterally, can't jump, has no inside game, no post footwork. He's suppose to be a shooter, not vs D1 too slow with his release. It's not a shooting slump. He's another Rex enigma recruit. Look I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just being honest. Im sure he's a leader, a team guy, a phenomenal teammate and probably an all around swell guy. Problem is he should be at St Rose. Unfortunately the attributes you mentioned do not make you a D1 athlete. Sorry! Dear one Indian. If I may ask, what are your credentials for your (I am sure in your mind expert) assessment of Mr. Fisher's talent? Please post your playing and or coaching stats at the D1 level for all to see. Should be interesting. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 2, 2017 23:34:27 GMT -5
You dont have to be a D-1 athlete to judge talent in sports. Unless I missed the D-1 resumes of Bob Costas, Al Michaels, Greg Popovich, Jeff Van Gundy etc....etc....
As for Evan, if he's willing to sit the bench the next two years and get no playing time, I'd be fine with him being a "good teammate" in this program.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 2, 2017 23:56:32 GMT -5
For crying out loud it has absolutely nothing to do with hate and everything to do with ability. All you have to do is watch, he's not in the same league as a RyRo never was, never will be & he's also not Brett either. He's athletically limited, extremely slow, extremely slow laterally, can't jump, has no inside game, no post footwork. He's suppose to be a shooter, not vs D1 too slow with his release. It's not a shooting slump. He's another Rex enigma recruit. Look I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just being honest. Im sure he's a leader, a team guy, a phenomenal teammate and probably an all around swell guy. Problem is he should be at St Rose. Unfortunately the attributes you mentioned do not make you a D1 athlete. Sorry! Dear one Indian. If I may ask, what are your credentials for your (I am sure in your mind expert) assessment of Mr. Fisher's talent? Please post your playing and or coaching stats at the D1 level for all to see. Should be interesting. Hate to disappoint you because I'm sure you put a lot of thought into formulating your question (as clever as you thought it was). The answer is simple, you do need to be a D1 coach to evaluate and/or comment on a particular player or coaches talent. Most fans (like myself), sports analysts, broadcast analyst, sports talk show hosts etc. do it all the time. It's part of what makes sports interesting. You've often implied that Evan is a good D1 player and team Captain material. What makes you so qualified to provide an opinion? |
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 3, 2017 8:02:20 GMT -5
The title of this post is wrong. It should be In Defense of the Players. Well for me at least it should be in defense of all but 3 of the players - two seniors and one sophomore - two of whom are doing things they shouldn't be and one is just lazy/irresponsible. But then the apple doesn't fall far from the coaching tree now does it...)
We have no idea how these kids would perform with a good coaching staff at Siena. Ok, we have an idea but I bet the vast majority aren't nearly as weak as the appear to be in the program as it stands right now. Good coaches find ways to mask their players weaknesses and play on their strengths - I see N O N E of that with our current staff.
Remember what Mike D did with guys like Mex, Larry, Eric F, etc. or Paul H did with guys like Deters, Cant-a-miss-a, Corey O, etc or Fran did with his whole roster sans Kenny his first year or two? I do they coached the team to mask weaknesses and exploit strengths. Again I see N O N E of that with our current staff. I do however know that they like to party and travel...
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jan 3, 2017 8:10:11 GMT -5
We continue to hear what great practices Fisher has been having and he was 5 of 6 from the 3 during preseason game ... Maybe he just has to get over a psychological barrier - let's hope!
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Post by olddave on Jan 3, 2017 9:35:32 GMT -5
well everyone agrees EF is a good kid, good teammate. Personally I don't think he is D1 caliber but could be wrong. HAs slimed down, lost his shot, but that could be sophomore jinx (look at Nico, he's not playing up to expectations either). EF may be a good bench practice player, every team has them, but lets not forget the coach and his staff do not develop players well.
Prime examples of this is lack of use of Friday, WB and THJ, watch him, not the most athletic but he does more than EF when given the chance.
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Post by $cott on Jan 3, 2017 11:02:54 GMT -5
Guys like Rossiter and Ogunyemi had horrible freshman years but turned it on as sophomores. I can't think of any recent Siena player that stunk it up for their first two years and wound up a good player. There was a lot of anger directed Evan's way last year when he was getting minutes at the expense of Imoh who could have been a valuable contributor if used correctly. But almost everyone was giving Evan the benefit of the doubt that as a MAAC big with a year in the weight room and time to mature that he could take a big step forward this year. Unfortunately, from what we have seen, that is absolutely not the case. He's only regressed. He might be a great kid and if you want to keep him around as a guy to work hard in practice and put in at the end of blowouts, that is fine, there is a spot for those sort of kids. But he clearly can't help right now while he's lost all confidence in his shooting and just about everyone would like to see his minutes going to Friday and Brandwijk.
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Post by MTS on Jan 3, 2017 13:04:36 GMT -5
Guys like Rossiter and Ogunyemi had horrible freshman years but turned it on as sophomores. I can't think of any recent Siena player that stunk it up for their first two years and wound up a good player. There was a lot of anger directed Evan's way last year when he was getting minutes at the expense of Imoh who could have been a valuable contributor if used correctly. But almost everyone was giving Evan the benefit of the doubt that as a MAAC big with a year in the weight room and time to mature that he could take a big step forward this year. Unfortunately, from what we have seen, that is absolutely not the case. He's only regressed. He might be a great kid and if you want to keep him around as a guy to work hard in practice and put in at the end of blowouts, that is fine, there is a spot for those sort of kids. But he clearly can't help right now while he's lost all confidence in his shooting and just about everyone would like to see his minutes going to Friday and Brandwijk. Anyone who knows basketball knew JO and especially Rossiter were going to be good players despite their struggles as frosh. I never thought Rossiter would be a future POY (and one of the best big men in MAAC history) but you could tell he had skills but just had to get stronger and get more experience. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 13:05:54 GMT -5
The purpose of this thread was intended as a positive one but in the overall scheme of things I think it is a little misguided. Singling out Evan as the lens to focus on JP's less than stellar coaching style is a mistake, IMO. The kid is giving his all, apparently loved by this coach for his attitude/work ethic/practice work, and only goes into a game when JP tells him too. This team has more drama on and around it than all seven seasons of The Gilmore Girls! Mismanagement of our players has been a hallmark of this coach and his use of our "bench" continues to baffle all. We don't need to add to it by harping on one player (amplifying his stress level) by name after each game - there is a lot of not-up-to par basketball being played by our guys - it's up to the guy who makes the big bucks to start giving us a return on that investment by converting his continual "it's on me" whines into real change - we all know what he's doing now doesn't work and a minor gimmick here and there is no solution. JP keeps harping "I've got to get him more shots" - so act on it and design (or steal) some plays to actually get players open and ready to shoot - works for others, certainly worth a shot on a 4-10 juggernaut!
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Post by Tony on Jan 3, 2017 16:27:06 GMT -5
No – this is a basketball board- nobody is attacking the kid, I’m sure he is a good teammate. The point is he is borderline D1 player. He is extremely slow of foot, is slow getting off his feet, doesn’t defend the low post well. Has no inside footwork, fouls too much… He has one of the worst +/- rankings in the MAAC .. I don’t have as much “problem” with the kid now, he isn’t playing 20 min a game like he was earlier in the year. But I would assume a coach could have foreseen these problems- perhaps work to mitigate the problem by playing Lavon a bit at the four—where he goes from below avg speed as a 3 to above avg speed as a 4. Maybe develop Friday and Richards a bit more. Not sure how much it would have helped. But I agree the kid was being put in a impossible situation playing 20 min a game
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Post by th24 on Jan 3, 2017 16:54:36 GMT -5
I have heard this talk countless times. There were very few basketball players ready to play at Siena from day one.For every Edwin Ubiles there players like Rossiter,OD or Brett who needed time to mature. Give the kid time-both physically and psychologically!
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 4, 2017 10:37:38 GMT -5
The title of this post is wrong. It should be In Defense of the Players. Well for me at least it should be in defense of all but 3 of the players - two seniors and one sophomore - two of whom are doing things they shouldn't be and one is just lazy/irresponsible. But then the apple doesn't fall far from the coaching tree now does it...) We have no idea how these kids would perform with a good coaching staff at Siena. Ok, we have an idea but I bet the vast majority aren't nearly as weak as the appear to be in the program as it stands right now. Good coaches find ways to mask their players weaknesses and play on their strengths - I see N O N E of that with our current staff. Remember what Mike D did with guys like Mex, Larry, Eric F, etc. or Paul H did with guys like Deters, Cant-a-miss-a, Corey O, etc or Fran did with his whole roster sans Kenny his first year or two? I do they coached the team to mask weaknesses and exploit strengths. Again I see N O N E of that with our current staff. I do however know that they like to party and travel... PPC why would you dislike my post? Surely you must be aware and can not possibly condone it.... |
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