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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2016 18:11:33 GMT -5
Not big on stats- but thought we might look at this stat Box Score plus minus:
Box score estimate of points per 100 possessions a player contributed above a league avg player , translated to avg team.
One look at these numbers and you can see where our problems this year are- as you would expect Brett , JO, Quis and LL all positive – When Jimmy goes to bench is when trouble starts, we are 11 games in now so these numbers begin to make sense. We have one particular player killing us, he is usually on floor like yesterday when opposing team makes a run. Without further ado here are numbers for players that play significant min so far this year
Javion Ogunyemi +2.5
Marquis Wright +1.5
Brett Bisping +1.4
Lavon Long +1.2
Nico Clareth -0.1
Ahsante Shivers -1.6
Kadeem Smithen -1.9
Khailil Richard -2.5
Willem Brandwijk -2.9
Sammy Friday -5.2
Evan Fisher -6.2
It clear looking at these numbers Jimmy needs to make some changes- he has to get more out of Ahsante. Kadeem and Khailil
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Post by indian82 on Dec 18, 2016 18:24:27 GMT -5
Not big on stats- but thought we might look at this stat Box Score plus minus: Box score estimate of points per 100 possessions a player contributed above a league avg player , translated to avg team. One look at these numbers and you can see where our problems this year are- as you would expect Brett , JO, Quis and LL all positive – When Jimmy goes to bench is when trouble starts, we are 11 games in now so these numbers begin to make sense. We have one particular player killing us, he is usually on floor like yesterday when opposing team makes a run. Without further ado here are numbers for players that play significant min so far this year Javion Ogunyemi +2.5 Marquis Wright +1.5 Brett Bisping +1.4 Lavon Long +1.2 Nico Clareth -0.1 Ahsante Shivers -1.6 Kadeem Smithen -1.9 Khailil Richard -2.5 Willem Brandwijk -2.9 Sammy Friday -5.2 Evan Fisher -6.2 It clear looking at these numbers Jimmy needs to make some changes- he has to get more out of Ahsante. Kadeem and Khailil Thanks Tony - Can you give the web site you got this from? I can't find it with a quick search. |
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2016 18:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 18, 2016 18:34:18 GMT -5
Interesting to see the numbers to substantiate what is blatantly obvious.
People wonder why fans are down on Rex, just look at Fishers number! On top of that Rex insults knowledgeable fans with the "he's a leader out there" crap. Please!
At least play WB he can score and I'm sure the more time the kid gets the stronger he would become on offense.
The other issue is Rex subs like a mad man with no continuity as to who is playing with who. Pick 3 kids and get into a flow. At least with a coach like Fran I knew immediately who was going into the game based on the particular need or event occurring in the game. With Rex it's like substitution roulette.
No wonder there's chemistry issues on the floor.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 18, 2016 18:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2016 18:40:14 GMT -5
Interesting to see the numbers to substantiate what is blatantly obvious. People wonder why fans are down on Rex, just look at Fishers number! On top of that Rex insults knowledgeable fans with the "he's a leader out there" crap. Please! At least play WB he can score and I'm sure the more time the kid gets the stronger he would get offensively. The other issue is Rex subs like a mad man with no continuity as to who is playing with who. Pick 3 kids and get into a flow. At least with a coach like Fran I knew immediately who was going into the game based on the particular need in the floor. With Rex it's like substitution roulette. No wonder there's chemistry issues on the floor. In fairness to Jimmy Fisher's time has gone down since beginning of season, kid is obviously struggling. but until he gets his act together- he cant be playing him, he can't defend, shoot with anyone on him, rebound, jump ,is slow, other than that he is pretty good  I agree WB is lost on defense also- but at least he scores Jimmy Built up Fisher this year and did same thing last year building up Cam- how good he was playing... I think he thinks Siena fans are a$$holes |
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 18, 2016 18:48:46 GMT -5
Interesting to see the numbers to substantiate what is blatantly obvious. People wonder why fans are down on Rex, just look at Fishers number! On top of that Rex insults knowledgeable fans with the "he's a leader out there" crap. Please! At least play WB he can score and I'm sure the more time the kid gets the stronger he would get offensively. The other issue is Rex subs like a mad man with no continuity as to who is playing with who. Pick 3 kids and get into a flow. At least with a coach like Fran I knew immediately who was going into the game based on the particular need in the floor. With Rex it's like substitution roulette. No wonder there's chemistry issues on the floor. In fairness to Jimmy Fisher's time has gone down since beginning of season, kid is obviously struggling. but until he gets his act together- he cant be playing him, he can't defend, shoot with anyone on him, rebound, jump ,is slow, other than that he is pretty good I agree WB is lost on defense also- but at least he scores I'll be happy when his PT goes to 0. There isn't a coach in his right mind that would give this kid 30 sec in garbage time. Notice what happens when he gets in the game, the flow goes to crap and the lead dwindles. I thought this was an anomaly at first but then I noticed it occurred with more frequency. At least play WB and go backdoor for a couple dunks. Yeah he's not a great defender but hell neither is Friday or Evan. So you might as well go with a kid that can put the ball in the hoop. I'll tell ya last year Rex really pissed me off playing EF over Silas. Never should have happened. I could see where this was going from the get go! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 18:51:40 GMT -5
Interesting to see the numbers to substantiate what is blatantly obvious. People wonder why fans are down on Rex, just look at Fishers number! On top of that Rex insults knowledgeable fans with the "he's a leader out there" crap. Please! At least play WB he can score and I'm sure the more time the kid gets the stronger he would get offensively. The other issue is Rex subs like a mad man with no continuity as to who is playing with who. Pick 3 kids and get into a flow. At least with a coach like Fran I knew immediately who was going into the game based on the particular need in the floor. With Rex it's like substitution roulette. No wonder there's chemistry issues on the floor. In fairness to Jimmy Fisher's time has gone down since beginning of season, kid is obviously struggling. but until he gets his act together- he cant be playing him, he can't defend, shoot with anyone on him, rebound, jump ,is slow, other than that he is pretty good I agree WB is lost on defense also- but at least he scores Jimmy Built up Fisher this year and did same thing last year building up Cam- how good he was playing... I think he thinks Siena fans are a$$holes I'm not sure he thinks we're assholes, just gullible. "In other words" dummies. |
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Post by greenblood on Dec 18, 2016 18:57:45 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2016 19:03:21 GMT -5
In fairness to Jimmy Fisher's time has gone down since beginning of season, kid is obviously struggling. but until he gets his act together- he cant be playing him, he can't defend, shoot with anyone on him, rebound, jump ,is slow, other than that he is pretty good I agree WB is lost on defense also- but at least he scores Jimmy Built up Fisher this year and did same thing last year building up Cam- how good he was playing... I think he thinks Siena fans are a$$holes I'm not sure he thinks we're assholes, just gullible. "In other words" dummies. Whatever he thinks we are-- the numbers are there- our bench is weak.. but one particular player is killing us, and numbers back it up. I tend to think Shivers, Richard and Smithin's numbers will get better as they get more experienced and settle into their roles. Perhaps Fridays will get better once he gets healthy also.. heck even EF can come out of his slump( he is a better shooter than he has shown) but right now he shouldn't be playing significant min |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 19:09:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure he thinks we're assholes, just gullible. "In other words" dummies. Whatever he thinks we are-- the numbers are they- our bench is weak.. but one particular player is killing us, and numbers back it up. I tend to think Shivers, Richard and Smithin's numbers will get better as they get more experienced and settle into their roles. Perhaps Fridays will get better once he gets healthy also.. heck even EF can come out of his slump( he is a better shooter than he has shown) but right now he shouldn't be playing significant min Just as your record says what you are these numbers are also very telling. They confirm the eye test. |
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2016 19:17:14 GMT -5
Whatever he thinks we are-- the numbers are they- our bench is weak.. but one particular player is killing us, and numbers back it up. I tend to think Shivers, Richard and Smithin's numbers will get better as they get more experienced and settle into their roles. Perhaps Fridays will get better once he gets healthy also.. heck even EF can come out of his slump( he is a better shooter than he has shown) but right now he shouldn't be playing significant min Just as your record says what you are these numbers are also very telling. They confirm the eye test. whose eye test--yours-- I told you Jimmy thinks you're an asshole..LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 19:25:41 GMT -5
Just as your record says what you are these numbers are also very telling. They confirm the eye test. whose eye test--yours-- I told you Jimmy thinks you're an asshole..LOL Oh right. I guess he's not the first... for some, it's a term of endearment. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 20:49:27 GMT -5
Just as your record says what you are these numbers are also very telling. They confirm the eye test. whose eye test--yours-- I told you Jimmy thinks you're an asshole..LOL Don't forget, it's people like Jumbo that give assholes a bad name..... |
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Post by gorvy on Dec 18, 2016 21:13:06 GMT -5
Nico would be positive too if he didn't have to come off the bench. Fouls would come down too.
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