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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 19:33:19 GMT -5
"rabid fans" does not fit well with your "Let's all respect each others opinion" statement, IMHO! "experience not there" - 1 senior, a red shirt senior, a red shirt Junior, and 3 juniors are logging the bulk of available minutes and we have a very experienced coach - that experience exceeds that of last night's opponent. As far as rabid fans, I will respect their opinion though not agree with them. Many here are passed, rightfully so that Cornell upset Siena, but yet cheer that Monmouth had their 3 upsets, yes cheer Siena when they upset Ohio State. Can't have it both ways, sorry I am a realist. Far as experience seems JP has changed the style again well they are still learning. Once again, I'm missing your point. The items you delineated that Siena cheers about are not surprising since WE ARE SIENA FANS - Monmouth's upsets are good for the conference - our upsetting Ohio State was as huge a fan boost as there can be. Siena fans being pissed about an upset by Cornell have every right to be. Again, we are Siena fans! You can have it both ways as long as both ways benefit Siena in some way. If your being a "realist" means accepting any outcomes, then life must be very blissful for you albeit constantly vanilla!
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Post by olddave on Dec 3, 2015 20:56:41 GMT -5
As far as rabid fans, I will respect their opinion though not agree with them. Many here are passed, rightfully so that Cornell upset Siena, but yet cheer that Monmouth had their 3 upsets, yes cheer Siena when they upset Ohio State. Can't have it both ways, sorry I am a realist. Far as experience seems JP has changed the style again well they are still learning. Once again, I'm missing your point. The items you delineated that Siena cheers about are not surprising since WE ARE SIENA FANS - Monmouth's upsets are good for the conference - our upsetting Ohio State was as huge a fan boost as there can be. Siena fans being pissed about an upset by Cornell have every right to be. Again, we are Siena fans! You can have it both ways as long as both ways benefit Siena in some way. If your being a "realist" means accepting any outcomes, then life must be very blissful for you albeit constantly vanilla! I am as intense, die hard fan as you. Perhaps rabid was not the right wording, over the top posters, that think Siena should go 30-0, can outcoach JP and play better than the kids are the posters I am alluding to. Game nights at my home can get intense language aside. All I wish for from the posters is to take in the big picture, don't just focus on JP and the kids, for like it or not the program at time is handcuffed by the admin. Peace perhaps we can get together some afternoon tip one or two seems we may be neighbors, retired as I.
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Post by Tony on Dec 4, 2015 5:14:40 GMT -5
Not sure of your point handcuffed by the Admin? Perhaps you can clarify. Siena Men’s budget is usually in top 2 in MAAC. Siena facilities are amongst best in MAAC and after ARC renovations will be best in conference again. Media and fan support are 3 times better than any program in MAAC- what have we ( the fans) got for that- highest ticket prices in MAAC and 5 straight years of losing basketball , if your point is the admin has made questionable hires then I agree. But I don’t know maybe I’m missing something
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 4, 2015 5:24:23 GMT -5
Not sure of your point handcuffed by the Admin? Perhaps you can clarify. Siena Men’s budget is usually in top 2 in MAAC. Siena facilities are amongst best in MAAC and after ARC renovations will be best in conference again. Media and fan support are 3 times better than any program in MAAC- what have we ( the fans) got for that- highest ticket prices in MAAC and 5 straight years of losing basketball , if your point is the admin has made questionable hires then I agree. But I don’t know maybe I’m missing something Heard JP isn't allowed to take JC's (like our neighbor), and hasn't had a transfer play a season yet. Those 2 avenues aren't utilized enough by our program. Seems like we're waiting for 4 years kids to mature while they play against men in a lot of cases.
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Post by Tony on Dec 4, 2015 5:47:29 GMT -5
I’ll give you the JC’s- but I will add when hired JP himself said he doesn’t know JC’s and doesn’t recruit them. As for transfers- JP has only been here 3 years, screwed up on Cole and has a really good transfer Smithin doing his year in residence
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Post by glen on Dec 4, 2015 7:26:21 GMT -5
" over the top posters, that think Siena should go 30-0, can outcoach JP and play better than the kids"
Straw man! Nobody is saying that stuff. Losing to Cornell is a horrible loss. Letting a Cornell kid go for 30+ is horrible D. Having 2 starters foul out against Cornell is horrible. That's not over the top. If a fan, the coaches, or the players want to be anything more than mediocre they need to do MUCH better. Good teams wouldn't have those things happen against a team the caliber of Cornell (this year). If they played like they did vs. Bryant or Radford they win the Cornell game by 20.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 9:54:05 GMT -5
" over the top posters, that think Siena should go 30-0, can outcoach JP and play better than the kids" Straw man! Nobody is saying that stuff. Losing to Cornell is a horrible loss. Letting a Cornell kid go for 30+ is horrible D. Having 2 starters foul out against Cornell is horrible. That's not over the top. If a fan, the coaches, or the players want to be anything more than mediocre they need to do MUCH better. Good teams wouldn't have those things happen against a team the caliber of Cornell (this year). If they played like they did vs. Bryant or Radford they win the Cornell game by 20. I can't believe Siena lost to Duke and Wisconsin. Horrible programs. Kidding aside, Siena is just not as good as I hoped right now. I had hoped for 2nd place. I think Monmouth could be playing a little above their breeches right now but they have it way more together than Siena. Before the season, we knew that this season had to be about defense. So far, Silas isn't quite up to his old self and we're not forcing turnovers...or defending the 2pt shot effectively as hoped. And now we have this turnover problem. This partly comes from replacing Poole and Hymes with frosh...because now Bisping and Long have to handle more. And they and the frosh are more turnover prone. We don't have that guy like Hymes playing behind Wright who can just go and be an end of game hero at the point. No more plays like the one against Penn St. We saw that difference vs. Cornell. Hymes at least gets a shot off...and the way that defense wasn't quite set probably beats them down the court and scores. Siena has these weaknesses and is overly reliant on Wright. And what if he can't maintain his current level of play? He's absolutely on fire from 3 right now. I think Siena will be competitive most nights because they are a high FG% team with size. They'll win a decent amount of games vs. a down MAAC but they have to really improve...most notably the frosh...in order to step up to the next level. Clareth and Wormley need to be more consistent...and Silas too. And most importantly, the turnovers just have to slow down.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 4, 2015 11:43:16 GMT -5
I’ll give you the JC’s- but I will add when hired JP himself said he doesn’t know JC’s and doesn’t recruit them. As for transfers- JP has only been here 3 years, screwed up on Cole and has a really good transfer Smithin doing his year in residence Which is exactly what the Siena higher ups, doing this hiring, wanted to hear. NO JC's. Without JC's, Will is looking for another job right now. They're part of the big picture now. We need to fill holes with guys mature enough to contribute immediately.
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 4, 2015 11:59:17 GMT -5
arent the rules for eligibility chnaging that will drive even more kids to JC over the next few years
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Post by olddave on Dec 4, 2015 15:34:48 GMT -5
Thanks for all the diverse opinions on what i had posted regarding posting and the fan base. I wanted different opinions and yes received many, btw agree with all. JP stated he wanted Singletary but couldn't get him in. To compete you need to use every avenue available transfers, JC and if you have to bend the rules regarding admissions at times so be it as long as the player gets all the he they need to graduate. Yes Tony we have great facilities, fan base, budget John Graney stated years ago that Siena should never be out recruited, yet here we are still discussing he challenge. The buck stops at the top, I want to go back to the Fran years but it will take lessening of the strings to let JP and players excel. The admin hired Mitch, a great assistant coach, damn Fairfield turning it around since his arrival, most knew he wasn't head coach material. Did they try to retain St. Fran? Did they really shale the bushes for coaches after Mitch termination? My opinion is that with what Siena has going for it the administration is blowing it and if not turned around the program Amy never recover. Thanks all look forward to responses. Go Siena
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Post by MTS on Dec 4, 2015 15:50:05 GMT -5
Thanks for all the diverse opinions on what i had posted regarding posting and the fan base. I wanted different opinions and yes received many, btw agree with all. JP stated he wanted Singletary but couldn't get him in. To compete you need to use every avenue available transfers, JC and if you have to bend the rules regarding admissions at times so be it as long as the player gets all the he they need to graduate. Yes Tony we have great facilities, fan base, budget John Graney stated years ago that Siena should never be out recruited, yet here we are still discussing he challenge. The buck stops at the top, I want to go back to the Fran years but it will take lessening of the strings to let JP and players excel. The admin hired Mitch, a great assistant coach, damn Fairfield turning it around since his arrival, most knew he wasn't head coach material. Did they try to retain St. Fran? Did they really shale the bushes for coaches after Mitch termination? My opinion is that with what Siena has going for it the administration is blowing it and if not turned around the program Amy never recover. Thanks all look forward to responses. Go Siena I would like Siena to consider a JUCO once in a while but to be fair Fran did not need JUCOs to build his dynasty. Yes we were lucky to get all of those great players in the same class plus a great one (Hasbrouck, Rossiter) in the class before and after but they were all four year Siena players. I'm pretty sure Siena did just about all the could to retain Fran. If you remember correctly Siena game him an 8 year deal with around $500K the April after we beat Ohio State. Siena is never going to be able to compete with a football school. Anyway I like our team... we have more than enough to be a top 4 team this year and make a big run in March both this year and next with mostly seniors.
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Post by olddave on Dec 4, 2015 20:22:47 GMT -5
Thanks for all the diverse opinions on what i had posted regarding posting and the fan base. I wanted different opinions and yes received many, btw agree with all. JP stated he wanted Singletary but couldn't get him in. To compete you need to use every avenue available transfers, JC and if you have to bend the rules regarding admissions at times so be it as long as the player gets all the he they need to graduate. Yes Tony we have great facilities, fan base, budget John Graney stated years ago that Siena should never be out recruited, yet here we are still discussing he challenge. The buck stops at the top, I want to go back to the Fran years but it will take lessening of the strings to let JP and players excel. The admin hired Mitch, a great assistant coach, damn Fairfield turning it around since his arrival, most knew he wasn't head coach material. Did they try to retain St. Fran? Did they really shale the bushes for coaches after Mitch termination? My opinion is that with what Siena has going for it the administration is blowing it and if not turned around the program Amy never recover. Thanks all look forward to responses. Go Siena I would like Siena to consider a JUCO once in a while but to be fair Fran did not need JUCOs to build his dynasty. Yes we were lucky to get all of those great players in the same class plus a great one (Hasbrouck, Rossiter) in the class before and after but they were all four year Siena players. I'm pretty sure Siena did just about all the could to retain Fran. If you remember correctly Siena game him an 8 year deal with around $500K the April after we beat Ohio State. Siena is never going to be able to compete with a football school. Anyway I like our team... we have more than enough to be a top 4 team this year and make a big run in March both this year and next with mostly seniors. Yes we have a nice team, my point is only that it took Siena so long to get there. I admit I am looking at it strictly from a business approach, though as a fan love the school program my belief one can always enhance and do better, not necessarily the coach or players. Go Siena
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