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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 10:39:09 GMT -5
Siena was 8-24 pre-Jimmy. Thanks KK
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Post by MTS on Jul 7, 2015 10:55:15 GMT -5
I'm giving Jimmy this year to see what he has. First year was about as good or better as any Siena fan could have realistically hoped for. Last year was a disaster. Injuries, bad chemistry (I.e. Cole) and Jimmy did not handle the adversity well.
I'm not as pessimistic as some - I see Siena finishing in the top 4 and making a charge at the MAAC title. We need solid contributions from our freshmen but most importantly our juniors have to raise their games. I am challenging them to do so.
Jimmy can say goofy things but he has to win.
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Post by hooligan on Jul 7, 2015 11:28:57 GMT -5
Pressure has to come from season ticket holders, allumi and x-players! Pressure to get into a " higher level " conference -and have some administrative changes ! And stop the BS! Hopefully the new president learned something from the Bonnie's ! I was like you a few years ago who strongly advocated for a move to the A10. Others on the board were against it citing travel cost concerns and an inability to stay consistent over long stretches of time. I have come to realize that they were right and I was wrong. We shouldn’t even be thinking about a move until we are consistently in the top 2 in the MAAC and also out recruiting not only the MAAC, but the middle to lower end A10 schools – Fordham, Duquense, St Bonnies, GW, GMU and URI. I think Jimmy has made big strides from where Mitch left us, but that only got us back to respectable.. This is Jimmy’s year - no excuses or finger pointing should be allowed. This is his third recruiting class and we should be able to compete with any team in the MAAC by this time. Year one – he had young players and Mitch B’s leftovers. Year two – injuries and his recruits were still underclassmen. This is his year. Anything less than an NIT berth is considered a failure in my book. I support Jimmy, his staff and the players and have confidence that the team will take a big step forward this year. But we are no where near a move to the A10. Lets win a couple of MAAC titles and become a team that the A10 would want again.. as of now I don’t think we are a serious player to get an invite if the A10 was to get raided by the BE anyway. So lets support Jimmy, the team and hope and pray they take the next step this year! Go Saints!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 11:40:23 GMT -5
Under present administration - any potential move to higher rated conference would be an unmitigated disaster. Siena just doesn’t have strong admin; we have priest’s picking coaches. An AD that is basically a SID, D’arg is not a basketball man. When you look at successful mids over the years they all have one thing in common strong AD’s when they lose a coach- style of play, recruiting and scheduling does not change ( see Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier even Vermont ) at Siena all those things change every time we get a new coach. Siena has struggled to stay consistently competitive in MAAC Be thankful we are in MAAC and not NEC. Hopefully current coach can get us competitive in MAAC again - this is his 3rd year if he is right man for job he should have no problem Jimmy
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| prior season | 8-24 | | | prior season | 6-24 | | 2013-14 | 20-18 | | | 2005-06 | 15-13 | | 2014-15 | 11-20 | | | 2006-07 | 20-12 | | Total | 31-38 | | | Total | 35-25 | |
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Tony, stay away from the edge……..the “Sky is not falling”
And Fran brought with him his three year plan which had worked twice previously and under which he delivered AND THEN SOME for us!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 11:41:32 GMT -5
I'm giving Jimmy this year to see what he has. First year was about as good or better as any Siena fan could have realistically hoped for. Last year was a disaster. Injuries, bad chemistry (I.e. Cole) and Jimmy did not handle the adversity well. I'm not as pessimistic as some - I see Siena finishing in the top 4 and making a charge at the MAAC title. We need solid contributions from our freshmen but most importantly our juniors have to raise their games. I am challenging them to do so. Jimmy can say goofy things but he has to win. Jimmy did what he was supposed to in year 1. 5th was the pick for that team based on what they had. There were things Jimmy could have done to be better but he at least met expectations. The team was flawed and filled with tradeoff players and that was known so you give him some leeway...especially since he took control in the late signing period. Last year, it was clear that Jimmy made mistakes but there were injuries to key players. Still, it could have been better than it was. When the team has the league's 2nd best offense and a positive assist ratio...usually you're top 5 in this league. Jimmy didn't adjust well on defense. Perhaps some of that is on the players fouling when he says not to. But his teams have always been foul prone so you can't easily say that. The rebounding went down but only to where most of the non-Quinnipiacs of the MAAC were. You just can't put teams on the line that much and give away games with teams taking shots they hit at a 75% clip. It's almost smarter to just let them take the shot. Goes arms straight up. If you're shorthanded, take something out of the Mitch playbook. Don't let teams run up points on you. You have the #2 offense and you get to the line a ton. All you have to do is find a way to stop people. If they only allowed teams to take the average amount of FTs the other 10 MAAC teams would normally take....they improve their D by 5 points PER GAME!!! That alone would have given them a +1 pt differential and they'd be fighting for a top spot. If you play Paige over White, you pick up another +1.5 and BAM you could be in 2nd. You give those minutes to Hymes and depending on his defense that number could explode. I mean...most of that stuff is just scheme and simple coaching decisions... Just being sensitive to the numbers and the details. With that said, Siena could compete for a title next year if things go well. They have a lot of defensive potential and the offense can be at least average. If the fouls improve, they could be very good. Losing White's offensive inefficiency will also help. You can't have a guy take 75 shots at 18%. Siena needs to stop beating itself. They have Marquis Wright running the point...there is no reason to have a losing record. If Siena does well this year and Jimmy makes adjustments...Siena is fine. If not, I fear Jimmy will lose control of the team and the fan base and things will spiral out of control. This is a pivotal year.
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Post by Papi on Jul 7, 2015 12:01:13 GMT -5
Winning teams in the maac have great players who carry the team. The threepeat team had 5 all time great players and some really good others, like Jackson and OD. Since then there hasn't been one great player, plenty of decent maac players but not anything special. This years roster is the same unless one of the freshman turn out to be a stud. Winning will come be patient.
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Post by MTS on Jul 7, 2015 12:29:31 GMT -5
I'm giving Jimmy this year to see what he has. First year was about as good or better as any Siena fan could have realistically hoped for. Last year was a disaster. Injuries, bad chemistry (I.e. Cole) and Jimmy did not handle the adversity well. I'm not as pessimistic as some - I see Siena finishing in the top 4 and making a charge at the MAAC title. We need solid contributions from our freshmen but most importantly our juniors have to raise their games. I am challenging them to do so. Jimmy can say goofy things but he has to win. Jimmy did what he was supposed to in year 1. 5th was the pick for that team based on what they had. There were things Jimmy could have done to be better but he at least met expectations. The team was flawed and filled with tradeoff players and that was known so you give him some leeway...especially since he took control in the late signing period. Last year, it was clear that Jimmy made mistakes but there were injuries to key players. Still, it could have been better than it was. When the team has the league's 2nd best offense and a positive assist ratio...usually you're top 5 in this league. Jimmy didn't adjust well on defense. Perhaps some of that is on the players fouling when he says not to. But his teams have always been foul prone so you can't easily say that. The rebounding went down but only to where most of the non-Quinnipiacs of the MAAC were. You just can't put teams on the line that much and give away games with teams taking shots they hit at a 75% clip. It's almost smarter to just let them take the shot. Goes arms straight up. If you're shorthanded, take something out of the Mitch playbook. Don't let teams run up points on you. You have the #2 offense and you get to the line a ton. All you have to do is find a way to stop people. If they only allowed teams to take the average amount of FTs the other 10 MAAC teams would normally take....they improve their D by 5 points PER GAME!!! That alone would have given them a +1 pt differential and they'd be fighting for a top spot. If you play Paige over White, you pick up another +1.5 and BAM you could be in 2nd. You give those minutes to Hymes and depending on his defense that number could explode. I mean...most of that stuff is just scheme and simple coaching decisions... Just being sensitive to the numbers and the details. With that said, Siena could compete for a title next year if things go well. They have a lot of defensive potential and the offense can be at least average. If the fouls improve, they could be very good. Losing White's offensive inefficiency will also help. You can't have a guy take 75 shots at 18%. Siena needs to stop beating itself. They have Marquis Wright running the point...there is no reason to have a losing record. If Siena does well this year and Jimmy makes adjustments...Siena is fine. If not, I fear Jimmy will lose control of the team and the fan base and things will spiral out of control. This is a pivotal year. I'd say Siena exceeded expectations in Patsos' inaugural season at Siena. Siena was picked 10th - and he took over a situation way worse than Hewitt or McCaffery did. He had no Jordan, Mensah, Faison or Haddix to rebuild with. Bisping turned out to be very good but I think Jimmy got him to realize his full potential. I do agree this is a critical year. If we don't finish in the top 4 - Jimmy will lose the fan base. Still the team will return three seniors the following year and add Smithen plus the current frosh will have a year under the belts. It is very possible Siena could be the favorite to win the league depending on what we do this year. Iona's last big year is this year (Williams and English will be gone and they can't reload like they've been accustomed to) But I agree Wright is a top PG - we do need him to take another jump though. I expect Bisping to have a big year (like he would have had last year had he not gotten hurt). I also expect we'll see the Lavon Long (hopefully) we saw in the MAAC tournament all year long. Silas/Bisping back should help the inside defense. It went from a strength to a terrible weakness last year. Coincidence? I don't think so.
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Post by mjs72 on Jul 7, 2015 12:30:41 GMT -5
Papi, patience requires hope. I think people were patient until Jimmy started talking about a 5 year plan. And then he gives the last ship away after he complained about a lack of talent. Add in some unfulfilled expectations and the history of Mitch's tenure and it is touch to accept where we are and seems to be going.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 12:56:04 GMT -5
Jimmy did what he was supposed to in year 1. 5th was the pick for that team based on what they had. There were things Jimmy could have done to be better but he at least met expectations. The team was flawed and filled with tradeoff players and that was known so you give him some leeway...especially since he took control in the late signing period. Last year, it was clear that Jimmy made mistakes but there were injuries to key players. Still, it could have been better than it was. When the team has the league's 2nd best offense and a positive assist ratio...usually you're top 5 in this league. Jimmy didn't adjust well on defense. Perhaps some of that is on the players fouling when he says not to. But his teams have always been foul prone so you can't easily say that. The rebounding went down but only to where most of the non-Quinnipiacs of the MAAC were. You just can't put teams on the line that much and give away games with teams taking shots they hit at a 75% clip. It's almost smarter to just let them take the shot. Goes arms straight up. If you're shorthanded, take something out of the Mitch playbook. Don't let teams run up points on you. You have the #2 offense and you get to the line a ton. All you have to do is find a way to stop people. If they only allowed teams to take the average amount of FTs the other 10 MAAC teams would normally take....they improve their D by 5 points PER GAME!!! That alone would have given them a +1 pt differential and they'd be fighting for a top spot. If you play Paige over White, you pick up another +1.5 and BAM you could be in 2nd. You give those minutes to Hymes and depending on his defense that number could explode. I mean...most of that stuff is just scheme and simple coaching decisions... Just being sensitive to the numbers and the details. With that said, Siena could compete for a title next year if things go well. They have a lot of defensive potential and the offense can be at least average. If the fouls improve, they could be very good. Losing White's offensive inefficiency will also help. You can't have a guy take 75 shots at 18%. Siena needs to stop beating itself. They have Marquis Wright running the point...there is no reason to have a losing record. If Siena does well this year and Jimmy makes adjustments...Siena is fine. If not, I fear Jimmy will lose control of the team and the fan base and things will spiral out of control. This is a pivotal year. I'd say Siena exceeded expectations in Patsos' inaugural season at Siena. Siena was picked 10th - and he took over a situation way worse than Hewitt or McCaffery did. He had no Jordan, Mensah, Faison or Haddix to rebuild with. Bisping turned out to be very good but I think Jimmy got him to realize his full potential. I do agree this is a critical year. If we don't finish in the top 4 - Jimmy will lose the fan base. Still the team will return three seniors the following year and add Smithen plus the current frosh will have a year under the belts. It is very possible Siena could be the favorite to win the league depending on what we do this year. Iona's last big year is this year (Williams and English will be gone and they can't reload like they've been accustomed to) But I agree Wright is a top PG - we do need him to take another jump though. I expect Bisping to have a big year (like he would have had last year had he not gotten hurt). I also expect we'll see the Lavon Long (hopefully) we saw in the MAAC tournament all year long. Silas/Bisping back should help the inside defense. It went from a strength to a terrible weakness last year. Coincidence? I don't think so. - I had Siena 5th that 1st year. That's the expectation I had. Just cause many people were down on the returning players doesn't mean I had to be. I don't care what anyone else says or about the clichés the media spins.. There was enough to win. It wasn't a surprise to me. - I had Siena 2nd last year. I stand by that expectation and judge Patsos' performance accordingly. - Next year, my expectation for Patsos may be a far cry from my actual prediction. I think this team should be in 2nd place at this point in Patsos' reign. That's my expectation of him based on where he was after year 1. If he is not there at the end of year 3, I think he did it to himself. Where will I predict Siena next year realistically considering all the unknowns with the frosh, the health of Bisping and Silas, and fouls.....? The smart pick would probably be like 5th-6th with Iona, Monmouth, Rider, and Canisius for sure ahead of them. They'd be fighting with Manhattan, Quinny, and FF for positioning. -You can't assume Iona will be down after next year. You've said this every year for 5 years. It's too early for that. Realistically, I'd say Siena could come in anywhere from about 2-9 next year. I can see an Iona/Siena final almost as easily as I can see losing in the PIG. And that wide array reflects all the unknowns with regards to coaching strategy and the players themselves. I can see the skills that could fit together to form the best defense in the league...but I could also see an injury or the coaching potentially fouling it up. Pun intended.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 7, 2015 12:56:13 GMT -5
As for fans coming back- I’m sure Siena is counting on that and you could be right, but the longer the bad or mediocre years last the less likely it is to happen. Siena has never been bad or mediocre this long since returning to D1- so this is really uncharted waters. Add to that fact Siena is charging 2 or 3 times what other MAAC programs charge. Everyone has their breaking point- let’s hope Siena/ Jimmy has a good year this year – and Jimmy can land some of his priority recruits, Because if not the chorus to ditch so-so jimmy will grow this year, since the late 70’s no coach has ever survived after posting two straight losing seasons And now they Who's "they?" Siena fans that are upset we don't win the MAAC every year? And now can easily switch alliances to UAlbany because they've had a mini-run of success in an inferior league? Guess what? Then you were never a Siena fan to begin with.
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Post by MTS on Jul 7, 2015 13:15:25 GMT -5
I'd say Siena exceeded expectations in Patsos' inaugural season at Siena. Siena was picked 10th - and he took over a situation way worse than Hewitt or McCaffery did. He had no Jordan, Mensah, Faison or Haddix to rebuild with. Bisping turned out to be very good but I think Jimmy got him to realize his full potential. I do agree this is a critical year. If we don't finish in the top 4 - Jimmy will lose the fan base. Still the team will return three seniors the following year and add Smithen plus the current frosh will have a year under the belts. It is very possible Siena could be the favorite to win the league depending on what we do this year. Iona's last big year is this year (Williams and English will be gone and they can't reload like they've been accustomed to) But I agree Wright is a top PG - we do need him to take another jump though. I expect Bisping to have a big year (like he would have had last year had he not gotten hurt). I also expect we'll see the Lavon Long (hopefully) we saw in the MAAC tournament all year long. Silas/Bisping back should help the inside defense. It went from a strength to a terrible weakness last year. Coincidence? I don't think so. - I had Siena 5th that 1st year. That's the expectation I had. Just cause many people were down on the returning players doesn't mean I had to be. I don't care what anyone else says or about the clichés the media spins.. There was enough to win. It wasn't a surprise to me. - I had Siena 2nd last year. I stand by that expectation and judge Patsos' performance accordingly. - Next year, my expectation for Patsos may be a far cry from my actual prediction. I think this team should be in 2nd place at this point in Patsos' reign. That's my expectation of him based on where he was after year 1. If he is not there at the end of year 3, I think he did it to himself. Where will I predict Siena next year realistically considering all the unknowns with the frosh, the health of Bisping and Silas, and fouls.....? The smart pick would probably be like 5th-6th with Iona, Monmouth, Rider, and Canisius for sure ahead of them. They'd be fighting with Manhattan, Quinny, and FF for positioning. -You can't assume Iona will be down after next year. You've said this every year for 5 years. It's too early for that. I'd put Siena 3rd or 4th right now. Maybe I'm a kool-aid drinker but only Iona and Monmouth are clearly ahead of them on paper. Rider was not the same team when Matt Lopez went down - he is now gone. Canisius lost Zach Lewis plus Josiah Heath their two top scorers - those are big losses for them. Siena is right there with those two teams IMO. Iona Monmouth Siena Rider Canisius Would be my top 5 right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 13:30:02 GMT -5
- I had Siena 5th that 1st year. That's the expectation I had. Just cause many people were down on the returning players doesn't mean I had to be. I don't care what anyone else says or about the clichés the media spins.. There was enough to win. It wasn't a surprise to me. - I had Siena 2nd last year. I stand by that expectation and judge Patsos' performance accordingly. - Next year, my expectation for Patsos may be a far cry from my actual prediction. I think this team should be in 2nd place at this point in Patsos' reign. That's my expectation of him based on where he was after year 1. If he is not there at the end of year 3, I think he did it to himself. Where will I predict Siena next year realistically considering all the unknowns with the frosh, the health of Bisping and Silas, and fouls.....? The smart pick would probably be like 5th-6th with Iona, Monmouth, Rider, and Canisius for sure ahead of them. They'd be fighting with Manhattan, Quinny, and FF for positioning. -You can't assume Iona will be down after next year. You've said this every year for 5 years. It's too early for that. I'd put Siena 3rd or 4th right now. Maybe I'm a kool-aid drinker but only Iona and Monmouth are clearly ahead of them on paper. Rider was not the same team when Matt Lopez went down - he is now gone. Canisius lost Zach Lewis plus Josiah Heath their two top scorers - those are big losses for them. Siena is right there with those two teams IMO. Iona Monmouth Siena Rider Canisius Would be my top 5 right now. RE: Canisius...have you factored in Malcolm McMillan? Do you know who he is? Lewis was a gunner last year and they now have a veteran PG who can also shoot. Rider may be iffy at center, but they are far from iffy on the perimeter. If Clareth is a star and Wormley is solid....while Bisping and Silas do what they do...Siena can be #2. They could outhustle and outmuscle their way to victory all season with possibly even a better D than they had in JP1. They have the upside of a true contender. But....they also have 4 guards who have never played a single D1 game, a SF who is neither a SF nor PF, 2 key bigs coming off major injuries, only one really proven 3 pt shooter, and a coach who often gets his rotations wrong and has a strategy that puts opponents to the line as much as any team in the nation. In JP1, opponent 3pt and FT shooting% luck was on our side. In JP2, it wasn't. There are major question marks. I have NO IDEA which team will show up. No clue. I see lots of potential but I'm not sure I'll see results.
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Post by Papi on Jul 7, 2015 13:46:33 GMT -5
When the horses get here the wins will follow.
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Post by MTS on Jul 7, 2015 13:57:58 GMT -5
I'd put Siena 3rd or 4th right now. Maybe I'm a kool-aid drinker but only Iona and Monmouth are clearly ahead of them on paper. Rider was not the same team when Matt Lopez went down - he is now gone. Canisius lost Zach Lewis plus Josiah Heath their two top scorers - those are big losses for them. Siena is right there with those two teams IMO. Iona Monmouth Siena Rider Canisius Would be my top 5 right now. RE: Canisius...have you factored in Malcolm McMillan? Do you know who he is? Lewis was a gunner last year and they now have a veteran PG who can also shoot. Rider may be iffy at center, but they are far from iffy on the perimeter. If Clareth is a star and Wormley is solid....while Bisping and Silas do what they do...Siena can be #2. They could outhustle and outmuscle their way to victory all season with possibly even a better D than they had in JP1. They have the upside of a true contender. But....they also have 4 guards who have never played a single D1 game, a SF who is neither a SF nor PF, 2 key bigs coming off major injuries, only one really proven 3 pt shooter, and a coach who often gets his rotations wrong and has a strategy that puts opponents to the line as much as any team in the nation. In JP1, opponent 3pt and FT shooting% luck was on our side. In JP2, it wasn't. There are major question marks. I have NO IDEA which team will show up. No clue. I see lots of potential but I'm not sure I'll see results. Rider struggled without Lopez. I'm not saying they won't be good but he was a major part of what they did. They are a classic donut team now. I know who McMillan is solid player not a star don't think he is as good as Lewis - espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/57416/malcolm-mcmillan - remember he's transferring "up" and like we saw with Cole you don't know how that translates. Canisius also lost Jeremiah Williams who singlehandedly beat us in Albany. You're right Siena is hard to predict this year. I think they're in that 3-5 range...could be 2nd with some luck or 6th if the frosh aren't impact players. We need Nico/Wormley/Fisher two of the three to be as good as Wright/Long were two years ago. Also what do we get out of Paige/Brandwijk as sophomores do one or both make a jump. Oliver/Silas should be solid role players as seniors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 14:12:29 GMT -5
RE: Canisius...have you factored in Malcolm McMillan? Do you know who he is? Lewis was a gunner last year and they now have a veteran PG who can also shoot. Rider may be iffy at center, but they are far from iffy on the perimeter. If Clareth is a star and Wormley is solid....while Bisping and Silas do what they do...Siena can be #2. They could outhustle and outmuscle their way to victory all season with possibly even a better D than they had in JP1. They have the upside of a true contender. But....they also have 4 guards who have never played a single D1 game, a SF who is neither a SF nor PF, 2 key bigs coming off major injuries, only one really proven 3 pt shooter, and a coach who often gets his rotations wrong and has a strategy that puts opponents to the line as much as any team in the nation. In JP1, opponent 3pt and FT shooting% luck was on our side. In JP2, it wasn't. There are major question marks. I have NO IDEA which team will show up. No clue. I see lots of potential but I'm not sure I'll see results. Rider struggled without Lopez. I'm not saying they won't be good but he was a major part of what they did. They are a classic donut team now. I know who McMillan is solid player not a star don't think he is as good as Lewis - espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/57416/malcolm-mcmillan - remember he's transferring "up" and like we saw with Cole you don't know how that translates. Canisius also lost Jeremiah Williams who singlehandedly beat us in Albany. You're right Siena is hard to predict this year. I think they're in that 3-5 range...could be 2nd with some luck or 6th if the frosh aren't impact players. We need Nico/Wormley/Fisher two of the three to be as good as Wright/Long were two years ago. Also what do we get out of Paige/Brandwijk as sophomores do one or both make a jump. Oliver/Silas should be solid role players as seniors. Outside of Iona and Siena, on paper, most MAAC teams are donut teams going into the season. If everyone's frontcourts are in the same boat...it's the backcourts that matter more. Quinny has some young talent and Monmouth and FF have some veterans but really the frontcourts aren't particularly scary this year until some unexpected guys step up. There is no Drame, Laury, Pankey, Dominique etc.. going into this year. Even Reid is gone now after his legal troubles. And other than Silas the best shot blockers like Kofane are gone too. Many MAAC games could come down to whose guards are better.
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