OneIndian
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Post by OneIndian on Jul 5, 2015 10:02:36 GMT -5
My point was lost on you. He is fine for.a decent MAAC program but will never get us to rhe next level which at one point we were hoping for No, it wasn't lost on me. I understood. I'm just saying that I think he's done a good job considering. Of course maybe we could have done better than hiring from within, but considering where we've come sine he took over (as an overall program -all sports) I'd say we've done pretty good. Could we have done better, maybe. But, I'm satisfied with it so far. We could have potentially done worse, we'll never know. At least we're no St. Peter's, Rider, Niagara, Canisius, Marist, Fairfield, etc.. Even the Iona's who win the MAAC cup & basketball tourneys, still don't do anything outside the conference. At least Siena wins outside the MAAC tourney (of course Marist women do, but not lately). I haven't counted him out of getting us to the next level yet. There's still time. That's even assuming the school wants to go to the next level. Maybe they don't. Does that mean some current fans will stop being fans if the school decides to never move up? I sure won't. Siena's stuck with me as a fan whether they like it or not. Move up That ship sailed with Fran. I'd be happy if we could be competitive in the MAAC, hang with a couple of upper mid majors and not lose to shit conferences . Right now we struggle against low majors. if you are going to charge big boy prices put a quality product on the floor.
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Post by hankla on Jul 5, 2015 11:39:14 GMT -5
My long time friend M P says I'm positive. I guess if that means I don't write off players as unable to contribute before their first game or better yet their first official practice I'm +. If refusing to minimize the loss of two key players for most of last season and the loss or diminished capability of others for several games I'm positive. Any NBA followers think the loss of Love and Irving didn't hurt Lebrun and company? I look at the Iowa board occasionally. While during the season players' performance and coaching decisions are criticized; during the off season all recruits are superstars and all returning players are going to be all Big 10. Must be something in the water or the corn out there that fosters positivity on a chat line. By the way by nature I'm a gloomy guy.
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Post by mrsiena on Jul 5, 2015 12:52:44 GMT -5
Stop and think for a minute. Iona and Manhattan have had downturns with Ruland and Rohrsen, so we're not the only program to experience such. I don't blame the AD for the bad coaching hires as I see it as he had his hands tied with Fr. Toale, Lanier pick, and the players rallying for Mitch to be hired. I've always contended that a search committee with basketball savvy people such as Dinny Cahill. Kevin McGraw, Scott Knapp, and the like should have been putting their heads together to come up with a solid coaching choice. I believe that was the case with the hires of Hewitt and Fran. Even with the success Iona and the Jaspers have had you could combine their fan following and it still would come up short of the Siena fan backing. Thus, the high season ticket prices, which I agree is somewhat over the top. And the talk of moving games back to the Arc when they moved to the KNICK/PEPSI/TUC because they were stuffing 4,500 fans into a 4,000 capacity gym is ludicrous. Now they are reducing the capacity to under 2,500 with the renovations.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jul 5, 2015 15:59:12 GMT -5
Stop and think for a minute. Iona and Manhattan have had downturns with Ruland and Rohrsen, so we're not the only program to experience such. I don't blame the AD for the bad coaching hires as I see it as he had his hands tied with Fr. Toale, Lanier pick, and the players rallying for Mitch to be hired. I've always contended that a search committee with basketball savvy people such as Dinny Cahill. Kevin McGraw, Scott Knapp, and the like should have been putting their heads together to come up with a solid coaching choice. I believe that was the case with the hires of Hewitt and Fran. Even with the success Iona and the Jaspers have had you could combine their fan following and it still would come up short of the Siena fan backing. Thus, the high season ticket prices, which I agree is somewhat over the top. And the talk of moving games back to the Arc when they moved to the KNICK/PEPSI/TUC because they were stuffing 4,500 fans into a 4,000 capacity gym is ludicrous. Now they are reducing the capacity to under 2,500 with the renovations. So again...You compared Siena to MAAC teams implying they are comparable. They aren't charging MAAC prices
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Post by Tony on Jul 5, 2015 16:29:29 GMT -5
Stop and think for a minute. Iona and Manhattan have had downturns with Ruland and Rohrsen, so we're not the only program to experience such. I don't blame the AD for the bad coaching hires as I see it as he had his hands tied with Fr. Toale, Lanier pick, and the players rallying for Mitch to be hired. I've always contended that a search committee with basketball savvy people such as Dinny Cahill. Kevin McGraw, Scott Knapp, and the like should have been putting their heads together to come up with a solid coaching choice. I believe that was the case with the hires of Hewitt and Fran. Even with the success Iona and the Jaspers have had you could combine their fan following and it still would come up short of the Siena fan backing. Thus, the high season ticket prices, which I agree is somewhat over the top. And the talk of moving games back to the Arc when they moved to the KNICK/PEPSI/TUC because they were stuffing 4,500 fans into a 4,000 capacity gym is ludicrous. Now they are reducing the capacity to under 2,500 with the renovations. So again...You compared Siena to MAAC teams implying they are comparable. They aren't charging MAAC prices Siena is only charging what the market will allow- the more they discount individual game tickets with the $5 tickets the more they devalue season tickets- I've had more than one person tell me they are dropping season tickets this year and cherry picking via 5 dollar discounted tickets and will save 300 bucks or more- sort of hard to argue with personally I say forget trying to pretend to be mid major move back to arc ( where siena keeps all revenue) demand for tickets will be high ( at least at first) students will be back - Siena can get 25 to 50 bucks a ticket easily I will add that probably shouldn't be considered unless/untill avg crowd falls to about 4k a game
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Post by mjs72 on Jul 5, 2015 17:13:15 GMT -5
Tony, our rock in hard times, seems to have gone into a very dark place about the state and future of the program. A return to the ARC and low major status. Holy sh*t!
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Post by Papi on Jul 5, 2015 17:42:05 GMT -5
The program is no where near rock bottom. Talk of moving back it the ARC is really ridiculous. If attendance drops a few 100 on average is not a cause for a move back to the ARC. Lets see how the season plays out and where attendance is at the end of the year.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jul 5, 2015 18:50:00 GMT -5
MBB (and it's success) is part of Siena's long range strategic plan ... I've seen no communication from the college that this has changed ... But I agree that the upcoming season is a make or break one
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Post by CellarRat on Jul 5, 2015 19:00:45 GMT -5
MBB (and it's success) is part of Siena's long range strategic plan ... I've seen no communication from the college that this has changed ... But I agree that the upcoming season is a make or break one What if we are one game over .500 is that a "make it", in your opinion? I guess my point is that the program will not die in a season or even five, as we have seen.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jul 5, 2015 19:08:23 GMT -5
Siena is hoping success of team would be one catalyst to increase applications and fill incoming classes as had been the case following NCAA wins ... Demographics are unfavorable to all colleges over next 10 years (I.e. More seats then available students). A mediocre team does not fit this plan.
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Post by Tony on Jul 5, 2015 19:34:51 GMT -5
Siena is hoping success of team would be one catalyst to increase applications and fill incoming classes as had been the case following NCAA wins ... Demographics are unfavorable to all colleges over next 10 years (I.e. More seats then available students). A mediocre team does not fit this plan. I hope you are right- but we have been mediocre or worse 5 straight years- the longest bad stretch since Siena returned to d1. Hope the steak ends this year, but doubtful looking like a so-so year
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Post by Tony on Jul 5, 2015 19:49:35 GMT -5
Tony, our rock in hard times, seems to have gone into a very dark place about the state and future of the program. A return to the ARC and low major status. Holy sh*t! Sorry I have been a bit depressing.. I'll try to turn it around..LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 13:22:08 GMT -5
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