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Post by Tony on Feb 23, 2015 19:01:16 GMT -5
Well, he would not be the first guy who played PF in HS to be recruited to be a guard at Siena. That's usually a no-no. Still, I watched Paige in HS video and AAU video. I thought he was a small forward. Him playing PF for us didn't really enter my mind. He was driving, finishing, pulling up, shooting threes, hitting midrange, and dunking. He was doing a lot of different things. I don't know where that guy went. He's not THAT slow. And I think it partially looks like it because he's forced into a half court game vs. bigs all the time. When he's cutting to the basket he looks good. He's shooting 75% from the line and that was typical of him in HS. He's finishing well and rebounding well. Unless he's just clanking them all the time in practice I'm not sure why he's forced into this frontcourt thing. And it seems like it was like that from the get-go. He had a lot of big 3 pt shooting games in HS. His shot doesn't look bad. Seems to me it's mostly that the coaching staff is forcing him that way. I only even remember him attempting to drive the ball once. I think it was an assist to Hymes at Radford. He's stuck in the role of setting screens and boxing out inside. Paige isn't that slow-- but he is not quick, in fact I think Lavon is quicker than him. I've seen Jimmy Paige shoot many times in practice, and he has a pretty decent shot, a little slow on release, but not horrible, his ball handling is not that good for a 3 , I do think he can develop into a 3 for us, but because of speed limitations not sure if he will ever be more than a role player. The staff see's Jimmy ever day if they thought he could play the 3 and help team I am quite sure he would be playing there , to be perfectly honest I think Jimmy Paige signed a level too high, at the Big South or NEC level he could play the tweener role- kid can obviously play, just not sure if he can play at our level
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Post by Tony on Feb 23, 2015 19:03:48 GMT -5
Teams can and do adjust-- All I know is Jimmy Paige played the 4 in high school and is obviously struggling adjusting to the 3 in college - truth be told he is not that quick . Persoanlly I think he was a recruiting mistake, that wasn't well vetted, I'm sure the staff envisioned Paige at the 3 not the 4 and maybe Jimmy Paige develops into a role player at the 3 ( he just isnt quick enough to be prime time player) But I do know the staff wants to win if they thought Paige could help us at 3 he would be playing the 3. I should add I hope Paige proves me wrong and has a bang up career at the 3-- I could be wrong-- but I doubt it Patsos should really give these kids a closer look before that offer comes out. I can see kids having to develop but if they don't fit at all why offer? Now Jimmy Paige gets left out in the cold because at 6'4" he's not a 4 in the MAAC. Who'd a thunk a 6 4 guy would struggle at that position? I hope you're wrong too Tony. That was my bitch when staff signed Paige-- his only other offer ( and it was soft offer was from a meac team.) I thought we could have waited till spring and see if we could have got better player, While I'm very happy with this incoming class-- thought staff was lazy with Gottfried and Paige last year- it was like they wanted recruiting over, and they probably thought what the heck these guys wont play anyway
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Post by Tony on Feb 23, 2015 19:08:37 GMT -5
Patsos should really give these kids a closer look before that offer comes out. I can see kids having to develop but if they don't fit at all why offer? Now Jimmy Paige gets left out in the cold because at 6'4" he's not a 4 in the MAAC. Who'd a thunk a 6 4 guy would struggle at that position? I hope you're wrong too Tony. If the issue with him is ball control, I can understand some. Still, that's part of being a freshman. At the same time, White has been given every chance in the world to be a guard over the last 2 years. And I'm not sure he shot well on any level and he never handled the ball in HS either. Why give White all these chances but then not give them to Paige? Just because he's quicker? That's really the only advantage White has over him at all. White is in a funk offensively but he can defend the 2- probably our best defender at the 2-- Paige cannot defend the 3 or the 4-- big difference -- two players do not play same position and never have
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Post by jamalblack on Feb 23, 2015 19:19:32 GMT -5
I'm glad none of y'all do not like white at the end of the day he's getting a free education.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 19:24:58 GMT -5
Social media sucks! Pure and simple, sucks! We have one parent taking the abuse of the know-it-alls (that know jack shit) about his son and another giving us abuse as she overhypes hers. Sad day for what used to be a fine Siena basketball tradition.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 23, 2015 19:25:29 GMT -5
I agree James. It's a game of square Pegs....meet round holes.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 23, 2015 19:26:37 GMT -5
I'm glad none of y'all do not like white at the end of the day he's getting a free education. You know that is not me, right??
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Post by th24 on Feb 23, 2015 19:36:56 GMT -5
I find it amazing how this board consistently overrates players before they step foot on the court or critical of a players when they don't meet certain expectations. And it happens all the time!
I think Page did extreamly well for a freshmen! Let's give the kid time to develope before judge is playing ability at this level!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:08:57 GMT -5
I find it amazing how this board consistently overrates players before they step foot on the court or critical of a players when they don't meet certain expectations. And it happens all the time! I think Page did extreamly well for a freshmen! Let's give the kid time to develope before judge is playing ability at this level! You are soooooo right. We now find ourselves once again looking forward to next year and a huge leap in ability from a bunch of recruits that the same coach/staff recruited for the same school with the same deficiencies we've suffered under all season. We can't criticize the coach because he's got a $ lock on a 5 year contract so we have to believe selected HS videos and analyses from those on this board that may have seen one or more of the kids a couple of times. We will still have a kid playing out of position and likely still at the top of the NCAA is one very foul statistic. Recruiting next year should be fun too after the dust settles on the blood bath that some feel free to predict to a make room for the awesome 3 we have yet to find! Absent all of that we will be fine and once again winning! What's missing from that scenario is I have no clue what this head coach will do with those same saviors once they arrive on campus and have to knuckle under a style/personality that I doubt any of them experienced before. We also have to believe that somehow they will magically lift us back in the short term. I got a bridge to sell all of you! Apparently Jimmy has the same bridge to sell and he has more buyers than I do. Nonsense all of it.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 23, 2015 20:14:30 GMT -5
I'm glad none of y'all do not like white at the end of the day he's getting a free education. I have always rooted for Maurice, as I do for all the Saints. His offensive struggles this year, however, have been shocking at times. I do believe a good deal of that can be caused by the quick hook that awaits when shots are missed, or turnovers are committed, etc. Kids tend to press when under that pressure. However, during the Canisius game out west, Maurice was afforded a lot of freedom to play without much risk of being pulled. It STILL didn't work out well for him in that game. This was wildly frustrating to me as a perennial optimist fan. I truly believe that the UA game, the first of his career, was not a fluke. We still see flashes of that defense and hustle this year. His value in the CBI, especially against Fresno, was undeniable. I can remember my first time seeing him on a court was for an open practice, and he couldn't miss from three, it seemed. Especially from the corner. I miss that Maurice. I'd like him back.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 23, 2015 20:20:44 GMT -5
I'm a White fan who still believes he will be a contributor ... Needs better shot selection and how to pass back out when he drives into traffic ... Both achievable
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Feb 23, 2015 20:32:34 GMT -5
You are soooooo right. We now find ourselves once again looking forward to next year and a huge leap in ability from a bunch of recruits that the same coach/staff recruited for the same school with the same deficiencies we've suffered under all season. We can't criticize the coach because he's got a $ lock on a 5 year contract so we have to believe selected HS videos and analyses from those on this board that may have seen one or more of the kids a couple of times. We will still have a kid playing out of position and likely still at the top of the NCAA is one very foul statistic. Recruiting next year should be fun too after the dust settles on the blood bath that some feel free to predict to a make room for the awesome 3 we have yet to find! Absent all of that we will be fine and once again winning! What's missing from that scenario is I have no clue what this head coach will do with those same saviors once they arrive on campus and have to knuckle under a style/personality that I doubt any of them experienced before. We also have to believe that somehow they will magically lift us back in the short term. I got a bridge to sell all of you! Apparently Jimmy has the same bridge to sell and he has more buyers than I do. Nonsense all of it. MP you don’t have to believe anything - if you don’t think Jimmy can do the job- I understand. The point is no sense in bitching the next 4 years, Jimmy isn’t going anywhere for 2 maybe 3 years if then, Might as well lay back and enjoy the ride If not pack up your ole green bonnet and hit the effing road www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UcO4L3vms
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 23, 2015 20:44:17 GMT -5
I find it amazing how this board consistently overrates players before they step foot on the court or critical of a players when they don't meet certain expectations. And it happens all the time! I think Page did extreamly well for a freshmen! Let's give the kid time to develope before judge is playing ability at this level! Hell has frozen over, yeah I know it's been cold but seriously good post.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 24, 2015 3:17:05 GMT -5
Practice is where Paige must show he can play the 3. I thought he was recruited as a big guard and would play 2/3 for us. He has to prove it in practice and beat someone out. Hard to do as a freshman though. maybe i am reading too much into this, BUT, he instead gets thrown to the wolves at a position not suited for him, then gets benched for making mistakes? w poole hobbled, long hobbled, no other real player of not to play a solid 2/3, jimmy couldn't find a few minutes each half at the 3 for paige, vs getting tore up inside by guys way bigger? Its tough but someone has to sit. I think Paige does best when on the floor with Lavon so he can play the 4 on offense and Lavon can play the 4 on defense. It worked well when they started together. Then Lavon sits the first 8 and Paige is out there defending a 6'10 guy. By the time Lavon comes in he just plays 4 and 5 and Paige was on the bench. Paige will get another shot and I know he will make the most of it
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