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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 11:48:26 GMT -5
And this article brings exactly what to light? Nothing that anybody who attends games regularly can't see for themselves.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 28, 2015 8:27:39 GMT -5
I had to reply to that article...
STOP referring to last year as a 20 win season. The term is being used to imply it was the collegiate measure of success "20 win season". I understand that the win column says 20... but lets be honest. You let any team play enough games and they probably get to 20 wins eventually. Last year was a breath of fresh air. A small light in the distance where all we had seen is surrounding darkness for the past few years. As I posted on the article's site... EVERYTHING broke right last year for Siena and this year... everything has broken wrong for the program. The reality of where and what Siena is lies somewhere in between. This year was a reality check to bring drag everyone back to the reality of the yet-to-be-repaired damage done over the preceding years
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 29, 2015 5:21:59 GMT -5
20 wins is 20 wins
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 29, 2015 7:02:59 GMT -5
Sorry, it's not. If that was the case, we should play games until we hit 20 wins. |
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Post by siena70 on Jan 29, 2015 7:38:01 GMT -5
Sorry, it's not. If that was the case, we should play games until we hit 20 wins. Absolutely correct! The CBI was Mullen throwing a bone to Patsos, and to his credit, Patsos took advantage. All but one game were home games against mid pack competition. It was a smart move, but in no way did it create a "20-win season"! |
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jan 29, 2015 7:42:03 GMT -5
Without the CBI posters expectations for this season would have been lower . . . we have all returned to earth
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 7:49:23 GMT -5
Without the CBI posters expectations for this season would have been lower . . . we have all returned to earth Agree 100%. Unfortunately, our "return to earth" came at too steep an angle and too high a velocity and we now have to dig our way back to the surface and then start the climb back to reasonable levels. We clearly need the right tools for the big dig - not sure if we'll get the sharp ones we desperately need. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 29, 2015 8:36:32 GMT -5
and you see... this is why I begin to understand how we see things differently than PPC. I dont know what she was use to before coming here and I dont know her background nor expectations coming into Siena (a year and a half ago). What i do know after having been a fan of the program for over 20 years and a season ticket holder for 17/18 of that ..... expectations here are indeed high. We dont want short cuts like playing 40 games to get to 20 wins. Many in the Siena fan base are savvy enough to recognize when the product on the floor isnt what it should be. The tricks of soft scheduling, soft recruiting, lazy hiring ... all seem to be identified pretty quickly. Heck... for a while we werent even hearing about Siena coaching staff being present for tournaments/games to recruit. Even if it wasnt completely public knowledge that stuff leaks out on twitter and other social medium and yet... it has been uncommonly silent.
many hear can identify talent that is capable of playing/winning in the maac. we can also identify those who dont quite reach that level. and for me... the concern has been ive seen a lot of the later over the past 5 seasons. These guys are highly paid professionals, how is it that some couch potatoes can identify within a very short period of time that a kid isnt quite right at this level yet these "professionals" have seen fit to give kids a couple hundred grand in scholarship money. Some of the recruiting/hiring etc has absolutely astounded me. Perhaps its because those making the major decisions (aside from coaches) really have no level of accountability
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Post by siena70 on Jan 29, 2015 9:00:31 GMT -5
and you see... this is why I begin to understand how we see things differently than PPC. I dont know what she was use to before coming here and I dont know her background nor expectations coming into Siena (a year and a half ago). What i do know after having been a fan of the program for over 20 years and a season ticket holder for 17/18 of that ..... expectations here are indeed high. We dont want short cuts like playing 40 games to get to 20 wins. Many in the Siena fan base are savvy enough to recognize when the product on the floor isnt what it should be. The tricks of soft scheduling, soft recruiting, lazy hiring ... all seem to be identified pretty quickly. Heck... for a while we werent even hearing about Siena coaching staff being present for tournaments/games to recruit. Even if it wasnt completely public knowledge that stuff leaks out on twitter and other social medium and yet... it has been uncommonly silent. many hear can identify talent that is capable of playing/winning in the maac. we can also identify those who dont quite reach that level. and for me... the concern has been ive seen a lot of the later over the past 5 seasons. These guys are highly paid professionals, how is it that some couch potatoes can identify within a very short period of time that a kid isnt quite right at this level yet these "professionals" have seen fit to give kids a couple hundred grand in scholarship money. Some of the recruiting/hiring etc has absolutely astounded me. Perhaps its because those making the major decisions (aside from coaches) really have no level of accountability Mullen had no accountability. I question how much accountability the Board of Trustees imposes on D'Arg. That is the root of the problem? How does anyone with any modicum of business sense give Mitch a 4 year contract? That just doesn't happen in the real business world. In addition I hear that Mullen had a 4 MM operating loss for his last fiscal year in office The two criteria for Board membership are: 1. big donations 2. blind faith loyalty to the Franciscans IMHO the Franciscans and their "Franciscan Values" are way overrated. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 9:00:33 GMT -5
I think sometimes the focus/effort is on one or two potential impact players and, if they opt not to come, a form of late season panic comes in and a kid or two gets grabbed with a silent prayer accompanying the offer. When you have a stable of solid D1 players a coach can afford to hold one if the right kid isn't there for it. We haven't had that luxury for the last 5 years IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 9:05:22 GMT -5
and you see... this is why I begin to understand how we see things differently than PPC. I dont know what she was use to before coming here and I dont know her background nor expectations coming into Siena (a year and a half ago). What i do know after having been a fan of the program for over 20 years and a season ticket holder for 17/18 of that ..... expectations here are indeed high. We dont want short cuts like playing 40 games to get to 20 wins. Many in the Siena fan base are savvy enough to recognize when the product on the floor isnt what it should be. The tricks of soft scheduling, soft recruiting, lazy hiring ... all seem to be identified pretty quickly. Heck... for a while we werent even hearing about Siena coaching staff being present for tournaments/games to recruit. Even if it wasnt completely public knowledge that stuff leaks out on twitter and other social medium and yet... it has been uncommonly silent. many hear can identify talent that is capable of playing/winning in the maac. we can also identify those who dont quite reach that level. and for me... the concern has been ive seen a lot of the later over the past 5 seasons. These guys are highly paid professionals, how is it that some couch potatoes can identify within a very short period of time that a kid isnt quite right at this level yet these "professionals" have seen fit to give kids a couple hundred grand in scholarship money. Some of the recruiting/hiring etc has absolutely astounded me. Perhaps its because those making the major decisions (aside from coaches) really have no level of accountability Mullen had no accountability. I question how much accountability the Board of Trustees imposes on D'Arg. That is the root of the problem? How does anyone with any modicum of business sense give Mitch a 4 year contract? That just doesn't happen in the real business world. In addition I hear that Mullen had a 4 MM operating loss for his last fiscal year in office The two criteria for Board membership are: 1. big donations 2. blind faith loyalty to the Franciscans IMHO the Franciscans and their "Franciscan Values" are way overrated. The Franciscans are a fine order with values that would make this world a whole lot better place to live in if more people adopted them. I think you can make your points without bringing in the religious elements. Religion was not a player in Fr. Mullen's decisions, I am confident in that. Board members, by definition, sign on to the mission/values of the organization they support. Not rubber stamps by any means but certainly not mavericks either. |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 29, 2015 19:26:26 GMT -5
Sorry, it's not. If that was the case, we should play games until we hit 20 wins. Absolutely correct! The CBI was Mullen throwing a bone to Patsos, and to his credit, Patsos took advantage. All but one game were home games against mid pack competition. It was a smart move, but in no way did it create a "20-win season"! Yes it did because we won 20 games last season. That is a fact |
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