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Post by musicman on Oct 31, 2014 10:58:48 GMT -5
That was last season witbout Cole and very little JO. We now have a 6'5 guard that can run the pg position with DI experience. We also have 2 freshman that can earn time and one of them is 6'10 from prep school. Patsos loves size. We now have HM size in a MM conference. We will take advantage of that Last 5 games minutes per game: Wright 33.8 Poole 33.6 Long 24.8 Oliver 27.4 Hymes 12.6 White 8.2 Cruz/Wilson 0.8 Total 141.2 40 mins times 3 guard positions = 120 mpg. That means that Long and White played 21.2 mpg (141.2-120) in a small lineup. That's really 53% of the game, not 74%. Wright and Lavon's shooting will again determine how much this team goes small...no other factor. That's it. Will bringing in Cole help the shooting? Probably not. 3 pt shooting or at least the threat of it has to come from somewhere or the lanes collapse into nonexistence. It's no coincidence that during the CBI run Oliver was playing major minutes (more even than Lavon) and we were using more '2 shooter lineups'. Ryan Oliver needs to be a major piece this year once again. If not him, then the shooting has to come from somewhere else. WB? Hymes? Paige? More Bisping? More Long? Somewhere... I think both sides of this discussion make great points. I agree totally with KK about spreading the floor and having 2 shooters on the floor. But that's the beauty of the depth that we have this year. We will have shooters out there when we go big or small. Poole, Oliver, Hymes and Bisping are obviously our top gunslingers from outside the arc. That's 4 out of our top 10 or 11. Cole would be in the next group down in (% wise) shooters with people like Wright, White and Paige. The thing I like about Cole is he may not be one of our best shooters but I think he will be one of our best scorers. His ability to get the ball in the lane and score, dish the ball off inside or kick it back outside to a shooter is going to make a lot of players better offensively. We should win a lot more games with a higher shooting % particularly with our inside and mid-range game (scoring twos) when Cole is out there. He is a dimension we really haven't had in a few years. Lavon probably did the best job with that last year. Assists are going to be contagious !!! Go Saints!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 11:01:24 GMT -5
No White was the sub and they used alot of different lineups. When Lavon plays the 4 he is not a PF and neither is Poole Cole or White when they play the 4. You refuse to accept that Hymes Poole White WB All made 3's in the scrimmage. Lavon will not shoot alot of 3's this year either. Prob more than last year but he will use his advantage more often than not. We dont need him to shoot alot of 3's KK. I doubt Cole shoots many either... White is more efficient behind the arc and so is Wright. We will use our size and ability to shoot and defend the 3 So now the team that won made a lot of threes. I'm getting lost here on your point now. Shooting doesn't matter, nor does playing small, but the team that did both smoked the team that didn't. You have a great way of proving your point. It's not even about the threes as much as it is about the 'threat of shooting threes'. Lanes close and you become easier to defend with no shooters. This innovative thing called a zone was also invented. What will they think up next! Last year, Wright, Long, Silas, White, JO all weren't shooters. And Bisping didn't take as many as he maybe should have. You needed to have at least 2 of Poole, Hymes, and Oliver out there to have any kind of 'threat'. The offense opened up sooooo much more when that second and third 'threat' was out there. The post opens up, the lanes open up,..everything changes. Our highest scoring outputs came from this. It's no coincidence that when Oliver started with Poole in the last game that it was one of the best offensive games of the year. Oliver didn't even need to score much. He just kept dragging his man all the way out to the perimeter and kept him out of the paint...where everyone else could do work. If Wright and White are better shooters this year...GREAT!!!!! That would be awesome and help us solve some of these problems. Until they do it in official games, I'm going to call the current starting lineup another temporary tip off one like last year.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 31, 2014 11:08:21 GMT -5
Well KK we play big and we shoot 3's .. my point is its not one or the other as you continue to suggest. Last year was last year. Hymes Poole Long WB Silas is not a small lineup. And Silas is the only one that cant shoot 3's
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 12:00:42 GMT -5
Well KK we play big and we shoot 3's .. my point is its not one or the other as you continue to suggest. Last year was last year. Hymes Poole Long WB Silas is not a small lineup. And Silas is the only one that cant shoot 3's Who said 'one or the other'? I've said all summer that Wright, Poole, Lavon, Bisping, Brandwijk is a viable big lineup offensively because while big it can still spread the floor. If Brandwijk is not playing the 5, then spreading the floor will be an issue and the offense could bog down. JO can hit some midrange jumpers and drive a bit so maybe that helps a little over Silas but still the lanes will likely be clogged....but WB can score from anywhere. When JO goes to the bench, hopefully quickly, in this lineup ...Oliver should come in and move Lavon over so we can spread the floor and score. If Jimmy started WB eventually...then both the 1st team and the 2nd team would have offensive balance. Wright, Poole, Lavon, Bisping, Brandwijk Hymes, Oliver, Cole/White/Paige, JO, Silas Both teams would then be 'big' but would still have at least 2 solid three point threats. You could almost go Calipari and do wholesale subbing because both teams have decent offensive & defensive balance.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 31, 2014 12:38:28 GMT -5
Yes big with shooters. HM size in a MM conference
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Post by Papi on Nov 1, 2014 6:35:40 GMT -5
Lavon and Wright can't shoot the 3. If they ever get behind and need threes these guys can't be on the court. This is not true But you can have your opinion non fan Stop with your non fan BS. They made 10 3's between the two of them in 38 games. If you're down late in a game and need three's these guys shouldn't be on the court if you don't agree fine.
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Post by Tony on Nov 1, 2014 6:46:23 GMT -5
You guys are arguing over nothing—fact is Bisping will play a lot of time at 5, where his lack of foot speed is not as much a liability. JO will be a starter that plays 15 min. WB is still a freshmen and will only get spot time, as year moves on, he will play more. He doesn’t have the defense end of D1 down yet and that more than anything will limit him at least early in year – Siena’s team strength this year is depth, so you will see a lot of combinations out there. Once games start the players that are getting it done ( on both ends of the floor) will get increased time. It doesn’t take a BB genius to see after the top 4—our next 3 or 4 best players are Oliver- White- Cole and Hymes. Jimmy isn’t going to play big for sake of playing big, if line up works they will play , if it doesn’t because of lack of defense or not enough shooters-- the big lineup will go way of Blackberry very quickly
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Post by th24 on Nov 1, 2014 6:51:11 GMT -5
Papi will never give credit to Siena or its players! It's patheic!!
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Post by Papi on Nov 1, 2014 6:57:13 GMT -5
My point is when your PG and 3 can't shoot the 3. You're at a major disadvantage to most teams. These guys do other things well to make up for it. If you guys believe that these two will become 3 point threats we see things different.
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 1, 2014 7:26:36 GMT -5
This is not true But you can have your opinion non fan Stop with your non fan BS. They made 10 3's between the two of them in 38 games. If you're down late in a game and need three's these guys shouldn't be on the court if you don't agree fine. There is a lack of understanding by some of the ability to shoot threes at a D1 threat level and doing it a few times in practice.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Nov 1, 2014 7:41:52 GMT -5
Stop with your non fan BS. They made 10 3's between the two of them in 38 games. If you're down late in a game and need three's these guys shouldn't be on the court if you don't agree fine. There is a lack of understanding by some of the ability to shoot threes at a D1 threat level and doing it a few times in practice. Yep you def have to do it more than a few times in practice to earn the right to take them in the game. Patsos knows who is able to shoot the 3 from an entire year of practice along with the recruiting period as far as his recruits are concerned. #Facts
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 1, 2014 8:11:18 GMT -5
There is a lack of understanding by some of the ability to shoot threes at a D1 threat level and doing it a few times in practice. Yep you def have to do it more than a few times in practice to earn the right to take them in the game. Patsos knows who is able to shoot the 3 from an entire year of practice along with the recruiting period as far as his recruits are concerned. #Facts What did Lavon work on most in the off season other than getting in much better shape?
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Post by playerparentcoach on Nov 1, 2014 8:30:00 GMT -5
Yep you def have to do it more than a few times in practice to earn the right to take them in the game. Patsos knows who is able to shoot the 3 from an entire year of practice along with the recruiting period as far as his recruits are concerned. #Facts What did Lavon work on most in the off season other than getting in much better shape? He answered that question in the article. Did you read it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 9:16:36 GMT -5
Too much candy last night kids?
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 1, 2014 10:56:37 GMT -5
What did Lavon work on most in the off season other than getting in much better shape? He answered that question in the article. Did you read it? I wanted your response
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