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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 9:40:17 GMT -5
There is a reason why..every major publication and college basketball prognosticators all have Siena a serious contender to win MAAC this year. Embrace the expectations-- dont be afraid like Papi..no guarantees in life, but Siena being in mix for MAAC championship this year is a good bet. Get off your negative "take" papi and embrace this team-- free your soul
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Post by MTS on Oct 12, 2014 9:51:36 GMT -5
Yes Siena's final record was 20-18 last year (11-10 MAAC counting the MAAC quarterfinal loss to Canisius).
However sometimes you have to consider the WHOLE body of work. As I posted above Siena went 17-10 after a 3-8 start. During those first 11 games Siena played Memphis (NCAA Round of 32 team), St. Joe's (NCAA team almost beat eventual national champ UConn) Purdue twice (Big 10 on the road/neutral) not to mention games at Vermont and at LaSalle in the second and third game of the year respectively. They also beat a decent St. Bonaventure team (who beat the crap out of Iona) for their first win of the season. The team was playing with four frosh (Long, Wright, White and JO who got hurt). Bisping had not emerged yet and we saw little from Oliver.
On paper just looking at the overall record Siena looks like an average team but this is why you can't just look at stats but had to observe the entire season to see why most expect the 2014-15 Siena Saints to contend for both the regular season and tournament championships in the MAAC especially with the tournament in Albany (Siena went 14-5 at home, 13-4 at the TUC).
And lets face it Siena went 0-3 vs. Canisius - they graduated their franchise. Iona, Quinnipiac and Manhattan graduated a lot of people. We graduated nobody. Sure those teams will be good and added replacements but you just don't reload in the MAAC usually Siena should have an edge in chemistry.
While we did win some close games towards the end of last season (a sure sign of a young team learning and then knowing HOW to win) look how many we lost early LaSalle, Quinnipiac in OT, Canisius in 3OT, Marist insane loss etc..no doubt we will be better equipped to win those games with more experience alone.
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Post by Papi on Oct 12, 2014 9:52:35 GMT -5
There is a reason why..every major publication and college basketball prognosticators all have Siena a serious contender to win MAAC this year. Embrace the expectations-- dont be afraid like Papi..no guarantees in life, but Siena being in mix for MAAC championship this year is a good bet. Get off your negative "take" papi and embrace this team-- free your soul I'm not being negative, cautiously optimistic maybe. I wouldn't get all hyped up about national publications preseason picks. These guys have no clue and who cares whether some guy pics you 1st or 5th based on looking at stat sheets from last season. I still do not think this is a cupcake schedule. If I'm wrong tell me all the guaranteed 20 point wins.
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Post by bigsaintg on Oct 12, 2014 9:56:34 GMT -5
Tony - I also worry about outside shooting. It will be better than last year but we need consistency to be on top 3
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 10:00:59 GMT -5
There is a reason why..every major publication and college basketball prognosticators all have Siena a serious contender to win MAAC this year. Embrace the expectations-- dont be afraid like Papi..no guarantees in life, but Siena being in mix for MAAC championship this year is a good bet. Get off your negative "take" papi and embrace this team-- free your soul I'm not being negative, cautiously optimistic maybe. I wouldn't get all hyped up about national publications preseason picks. These guys have no clue and who cares whether some guy pics you 1st or 5th based on looking at stat sheets from last season. I still do not think this is a cupcake schedule. If I'm wrong tell me all the guaranteed 20 point wins. I got you-- they have no clue and you do--- team loses nobody, won the CBI championship- played 4 freshmen last year, finished 17-10 over last 27 games. Adds Patrick Cole and WB two players that should make the playing group..sorry I'm optimistic -- 20 wins before the MAAC tournament-- yep.. I see that in the cards-- MAAC championship- I dont know yet but we should be in the mix maybe the favorite on our home floor . while nothing is guaranteed I like our chances better than any other MAAC team right now-- is that optimistic enough for you
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 10:02:58 GMT -5
Tony - I also worry about outside shooting. It will be better than last year but we need consistency to be on top 3 Don't you worry-- put your faith in Jimmy- he will lead you to promised land
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Post by Papi on Oct 12, 2014 10:03:08 GMT -5
Also Tony, the general is the voice of Siena and he shares my opinion is he considered negative to you or realistic?
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 10:08:35 GMT -5
Also Tony, the general is the voice of Siena and he shares my opinion is he considered negative to you or realistic? All the general is saying is nothing is guaranteed-- which I agree with-- you on the other hand are debbi "downer" and hey that's fine ( if that's how you want to look at it) hey I understand we have questions. Personally I think Jimmy has the answers to those questions-- when Siena wins 20 by start of MAAC tournament, you'll be one of those guys who says-- who could have known that???,.. but it takes a bit of foresight, basketball knowledge and intuition to see these things-- I understand everyone is not working with same skill set and has difficulty seeing these things. Pay attention to this board and maybe you'll learn something Papi
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Post by Papi on Oct 12, 2014 10:17:18 GMT -5
Also Tony, the general is the voice of Siena and he shares my opinion is he considered negative to you or realistic? All the general is saying is nothing is guaranteed-- which I agree with-- you on the other hand are debbi "downer" and hey that's fine ( if that's how you want to look at it) hey I understand we have questions. Personally I think Jimmy has the answers to those questions-- when Siena wins 20 by start of MAAC tournament, you'll be one of those guys who says-- who could have known that???,.. but it takes a bit of foresight, basketball knowledge and intuition to see these things-- I understand everyone is not working with same skill set and has difficulty seeing these things. Pay attention to this board and maybe you'll learn something Papi Thanks Tony. I see you agree with the general but you can't agree with me when I said the same thing months ago. I'm still waiting for the games on the schedule that are guaranteed 20 point wins, I need to learn who the weak teams are.
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 10:20:50 GMT -5
All the general is saying is nothing is guaranteed-- which I agree with-- you on the other hand are debbi "downer" and hey that's fine ( if that's how you want to look at it) hey I understand we have questions. Personally I think Jimmy has the answers to those questions-- when Siena wins 20 by start of MAAC tournament, you'll be one of those guys who says-- who could have known that???,.. but it takes a bit of foresight, basketball knowledge and intuition to see these things-- I understand everyone is not working with same skill set and has difficulty seeing these things. Pay attention to this board and maybe you'll learn something Papi Thanks Tony. I see you agree with the general but you can't agree with me when I said the same thing months ago. I'm still waiting for the games on the schedule that are guaranteed 20 point wins, I need to learn who the weak teams are. quick question debi downer-- who said any game was a guaranteed 20 point win- just where did you pull that out of.. and you wonder why you get a Mr negative reputation, you cant see clearly, you are blinded by your negativity. Open your eyes and free your soul
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Post by indian82 on Oct 12, 2014 10:27:45 GMT -5
Papi's on a 'Guaranteed' obsession this morning. His parents failed him by not teaching him 'Nothing in life is guaranteed.' He decided on his own that only 20 point victories pre-determined beforehand is an indicator of a 'down schedule'. There is no gray area.
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Post by bigsaintg on Oct 12, 2014 10:28:33 GMT -5
Tony - I also worry about outside shooting. It will be better than last year but we need consistency to be on top 3 Don't you worry-- put your faith in Jimmy- he will lead you to promised land Tony - I hope you had someone else try that Kool Aid before you drank it. This is how cults form, or maybe how they end
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Post by Papi on Oct 12, 2014 10:33:54 GMT -5
I read how weak and easy the schedule more than once. I just figured there were some easy wins on it maybe not so now. I have always liked this schedule its a lot like the maac from top to bottom and should get them ready for conference play.
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 10:46:36 GMT -5
I read how weak and easy the schedule more than once. I just figured there were some easy wins on it maybe not so now. I have always liked this schedule its a lot like the maac from top to bottom and should get them ready for conference play. Like I thought nobody said anything about guaranteed 20 point wins-- just a figment of your negative imagination. As everyone on this board is saying nothing guaranteed in life Papi Glad you like the schedule , about time you said something positive, and you are probably right it will help Siena in the MAAC schedule and of course fulfill my prediction of 20 wins before MAAC tournament..and prove once again I am "da man" when it comes to Siena predictions -- I am not filled with negativity nor do I look through green and gold glasses, I see things other cant
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 12, 2014 10:49:16 GMT -5
Having seen Cole several times, Pat is very versatile in that he can play 3 positions. He is a very good passer, and a “streaky” shooter, when hot he can score on anyone and I mean anyone- his shot selection seems better and he has to continue to work on valuing the ball – I think his playing time will be directly proportional to his ability to protect and value the ball – in any case I expect Pat to be first sub in, at least early in season There you go Tony. The more you do the more you play. Cole can spell the 1-3 effectively on both ends of the floor. How good he is from game to game will dictate his minutes. First man off the bench is a good role for him due to his versatility. He could even play some 4 like Poole did we just wont need him to this season
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