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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 4:05:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 4:23:40 GMT -5
The General, the voice of reason.
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Post by nolesaint on Oct 12, 2014 6:40:21 GMT -5
Good to hear from the General and get a little update about how he is doing. That being said, the OOC schedule has several cupcakes and at least half of the league schedule is cream-puff city. None of this guarantees 20+ wins or a MAAC Championship but this team with this schedule should be very damned close to 20+ wins. IMO, almost all of us have the expectations that this team will be in the hunt for the league championship and a legitimate chance to win the tourney. If Jimmy thinks he can get some help from media 'guys' tamping down those expectations for this team this season he is sadly mistaken.
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 6:55:49 GMT -5
I’m having a hard time getting a handle on just how good this team will be, we are certainly deep. I’ve gone to 4 practices and I’d be hard pressed to tell you who the top 7 or 8 are, one practice Oliver looks like one of better players and next practice Mo outplays him, Hymes has his moments, WB has flashes where he shows his talent. Was looking forward to seeing Jimmy Paige yesterday, because up to this point he was clearly behind Cole-Oliver and White. Jimmy is going to have a lot of options this year. While I’m not “expecting” a MAAC championship, I’d be disappointed if we are not in the hunt. With the “easy” non conf schedule I’m expecting 20 wins going into MAAC tournament
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Post by SaintsFan on Oct 12, 2014 7:17:50 GMT -5
I’m having a hard time getting a handle on just how good this team will be, we are certainly deep. I’ve gone to 4 practices and I’d be hard pressed to tell you who the top 7 or 8 are, one practice Oliver looks like one of better players and next practice Mo outplays him, Hymes has his moments, WB has flashes where he shows his talent. Was looking forward to seeing Jimmy Paige yesterday, because up to this point he was clearly behind Cole-Oliver and White. Jimmy is going to have a lot of options this year. While I’m not “expecting” a MAAC championship, I’d be disappointed if we are not in the hunt. With the “easy” non conf schedule I’m expecting 20 wins going into MAAC tournament This is pretty much how I feel. Depth for sure but not a lot of all-maac type depth(yet). Relatively solid top to bottom. Team will be top 5 or so. Tough to measure them as they battle amongst themselves. Given the tough opener, we should have a good idea of where they're at to start the season and how much they are prepared to contend.... not to mention, what still needs work.
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Post by MTS on Oct 12, 2014 7:58:11 GMT -5
Good to hear from the General and get a little update about how he is doing. That being said, the OOC schedule has several cupcakes and at least half of the league schedule is cream-puff city. None of this guarantees 20+ wins or a MAAC Championship but this team with this schedule should be very damned close to 20+ wins. IMO, almost all of us have the expectations that this team will be in the hunt for the league championship and a legitimate chance to win the tourney. If Jimmy thinks he can get some help from media 'guys' tamping down those expectations for this team this season he is sadly mistaken. Coaches usually like to downplay expectations and with a team that is still very young I'm OK with that but with this schedule expecting 20 wins before the MAAC tournament doesn't seem too unrealistic to me. I had high expectations for this year BEFORE we won the CBI. This team should finish no worse than third in the MAAC and have a legitimate chance to cut down the nets at home in March. Let's also remember how many close games Siena lost last year because of youth and inexperience. At the end of last season they started winning those games including some them away from the TUC (Rider, Quinnipiac, Fresno St.). The team was 9-2 last 11 games, 13-6 last 19 games and 17-10 from December 23rd on. Are we going to be on the level of the 2008-2010 teams? No. But this team should be at least as good as the team during Fran's second season and maybe better. That team were minutes away from winning the MAAC title in Bridgeport.
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 8:15:29 GMT -5
I’m having a hard time getting a handle on just how good this team will be, we are certainly deep. I’ve gone to 4 practices and I’d be hard pressed to tell you who the top 7 or 8 are, one practice Oliver looks like one of better players and next practice Mo outplays him, Hymes has his moments, WB has flashes where he shows his talent. Was looking forward to seeing Jimmy Paige yesterday, because up to this point he was clearly behind Cole-Oliver and White. Jimmy is going to have a lot of options this year. While I’m not “expecting” a MAAC championship, I’d be disappointed if we are not in the hunt. With the “easy” non conf schedule I’m expecting 20 wins going into MAAC tournament This is pretty much how I feel. Depth for sure but not a lot of all-maac type depth(yet). Relatively solid top to bottom. Team will be top 5 or so. Tough to measure them as they battle amongst themselves. Given the tough opener, we should have a good idea of where they're at to start the season and how much they are prepared to contend.... not to mention, what still needs work. I would say we have at least 4 “potential” all MAAC players in Poole- Bisping- Wright- Long. If healthy Poole is sure fire all MAAC, Bisping is a good bet, Wright is probably already best pure point in conference, if he can shoot 30% from 3, good chance he lands on team, and then Lavon the wildcard—if he can stay out of foul trouble and stay on floor, he has potential to be one of better players in MAAC, while we sometimes give PPC a hard time, he is a match-up nightmare, too big and strong for most 3’s in MAAC to guard and too quick for most 4’s. So while we don’t have a real stud POY candidate, we do have 4 really good MAAC caliber players, so depending on match ups we will have to do it by committee. My guess is Jimmy goes with next 4 that are playing well that game rather than wear teams out by playing 10 or 11 guys
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Post by MTS on Oct 12, 2014 8:22:00 GMT -5
I'd say Cole and another wildcard (White or JO maybe?) have potential to be good enough to be on a postseason all-MAAC club. Of course all won't make it but several have the talent to do so.
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 8:25:41 GMT -5
I'd say Cole and another wildcard (White or JO maybe?) have potential to be good enough to be on a postseason all-MAAC club. Of course all won't make it but several have the talent to do so. JO isn't ready to be ALL MAAC( although he is improved this year--expecting something like 5 and 5 or tops 6 and 6-- I dont think anyone one else will get enough time, maybe Cole will have a shot at 6th man.. but he has to take better care of the ball, he is by far the best on team at getting his shot off in traffic
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Post by bigsaintg on Oct 12, 2014 8:35:20 GMT -5
Cole did not impress me yesterday. Maybe I expected too much based on past hype but he was just ok. I need at least two more views to form a real opinion
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2014 8:42:24 GMT -5
Having seen Cole several times, Pat is very versatile in that he can play 3 positions. He is a very good passer, and a “streaky” shooter, when hot he can score on anyone and I mean anyone- his shot selection seems better and he has to continue to work on valuing the ball – I think his playing time will be directly proportional to his ability to protect and value the ball – in any case I expect Pat to be first sub in, at least early in season
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Post by indian82 on Oct 12, 2014 8:48:41 GMT -5
Having seen Cole several times, Pat is very versatile in that he can play 3 positions. He is a very good passer, and a “streaky” shooter, when hot he can score on anyone and I mean anyone- his shot selection seems better and he has to continue to work on valuing the ball – I think his playing time will be directly proportional to his ability to protect and value the ball – in any case I expect Pat to be first sub in, at least early in season Not bad options to have either Cole or Oliver to be the first off the bench. It may come down to, as you say, Cole's ability to protect the ball and then either chemistry, match-ups or just who has had the best recent practices. But what's more important is who is in at the end of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 8:52:59 GMT -5
If Cole isn't a game changer I'll be disappointed. Period. There was a lot of hype with this "best player in practice" talk. Now he's a 6th man, Maybe. There is a cohesive starting 5 and I would expect Cole entering a game would seriously up the scoring by all the talk. I've never seen him play but my expectations are high because of the hype. KK has been trying to temper that but a guy can dream can't he?
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Post by Papi on Oct 12, 2014 8:57:50 GMT -5
The general brings up some good points. He must read this and the maac board and realizes some of the high expectations of the fan base. I really don't see how this is such an "easy" schedule are there any guaranteed 20 point wins? This same team lost 10 games in the MAAC last year, if they improve and everyone else doesn't maybe they move up to a top contender. He also points out about JP playing guys with a hot hand, some guys will see more time game to game based on who's hot and who's not. This will keep some guys stat line down and all maac possibilities out of reach. Someone could go for 16 points in 24 minutes of play one game and 3 points in 12 minutes the next game with another guy scoring the 16 points and getting the bulk of the minutes. A nice option to have but doesn't guarantee wins.
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Post by indian82 on Oct 12, 2014 9:29:54 GMT -5
The general brings up some good points. He must read this and the maac board and realizes some of the high expectations of the fan base. I really don't see how this is such an "easy" schedule are there any guaranteed 20 point wins? This same team lost 10 games in the MAAC last year, if they improve and everyone else doesn't maybe they move up to a top contender. He also points out about JP playing guys with a hot hand, some guys will see more time game to game based on who's hot and who's not. This will keep some guys stat line down and all maac possibilities out of reach. Someone could go for 16 points in 24 minutes of play one game and 3 points in 12 minutes the next game with another guy scoring the 16 points and getting the bulk of the minutes. A nice option to have but doesn't guarantee wins. Nothing guarantee wins except outscoring your opponent. I like your take on sharing mins and points, and the top 4 will see their share of mins. Along those lines, I don't really care about All-MAAC honors if everybody is contributing and winning as a team (do not downplay the level of defense they play which may also decrease offensive stats). JP will have a difficult job of finding the mix and chemistry so everybody understands the role they need to play. And sure, it's good to temper expectations, but I don't think the optimism is misguided based upon how the team did last year. Yes, they lost 10 conf games but the year before they lost 14 and that was with 2 less conf games. Contrast that year when they lost the last 7 conf reg season games vs last year when they won the last 4 and went on to do well against schools in bigger conferences in the CBI. I don't even have to mention the pre-season prediction vs where they finished. Suffice to say, no reason why optimism should not be high.
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