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Post by hankla on Nov 17, 2015 18:46:51 GMT -5
Isn't everything on this Board true?
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Post by saintsandeagles on Nov 17, 2015 19:04:46 GMT -5
Nope, look it up. Evan had an offer from St Joe's. JO had an offer from Iowa state before blowing out his ankle in H. S. Long had offers from VCU and Bonaventure. WB had an offer from GW. Richards had an offer from George Mason. If you read it on the internet it must be true. Yes, much better to make things up and pretend it's the truth than trust the information that we have. No one on this team had any other offers. Also not sure why everyone cares about offers so much at this point in the season. We've seen everyone play now and that should be a better indication of talent. But if your only criterion is A10 offers you might as well view them objectively rather than guessing who got better offers.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 17, 2015 20:39:20 GMT -5
Obviously Smithen is correct and JO most likely if he didn't stay with Siena after PW left. The others were probably interest. The term "offer" gets thrown around very casually Nope, look it up. Evan had an offer from St Joe's. JO had an offer from Iowa state before blowing out his ankle in H. S. Long had offers from VCU and Bonaventure. WB had an offer from GW. Richards had an offer from George Mason. So in your mind if a kid gets one offer from a A-10 program, and 8 offers from MAAC/AE programs, he's a "A-10" kid??
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Post by Sienafan on Nov 18, 2015 2:21:32 GMT -5
Nope, look it up. Evan had an offer from St Joe's. JO had an offer from Iowa state before blowing out his ankle in H. S. Long had offers from VCU and Bonaventure. WB had an offer from GW. Richards had an offer from George Mason. So in your mind if a kid gets one offer from a A-10 program, and 8 offers from MAAC/AE programs, he's a "A-10" kid?? You tell me. How many offers from A-10 schools do you need to have to be considered an A-10 recruit? If it's not one, then what's the cut off, and who gets to decide? The statement at issue was that Siena would not beat out A-10 schools for recruits. But didn't they do just that if there was at least 1 offer from an A-10 school and the recruit chooses Siena instead?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 18, 2015 4:31:14 GMT -5
So in your mind if a kid gets one offer from a A-10 program, and 8 offers from MAAC/AE programs, he's a "A-10" kid?? You tell me. How many offers from A-10 schools do you need to have to be considered an A-10 recruit? If it's not one, then what's the cut off, and who gets to decide? The statement at issue was that Siena would not beat out A-10 schools for recruits. But didn't they do just that if there was at least 1 offer from an A-10 school and the recruit chooses Siena instead? I'll put it this way for you. If a kid plays ten games, and shoots 1/5 from the 3pt line in 9 of those games, but shoots 5/5 in the other one, would you call him a great shooter? Or a 20% shooter, that made an exception, and got hot one night? So to answer your question, you need more than one offer. Especially when all the other are from mid-majors, or lower.
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Post by Tony on Nov 18, 2015 5:02:15 GMT -5
Sienafan offers are often not a good judge, many times programs will “offer” a kid, what it really means is they are interested and will watch the kid. You want to know a better barometer- did the kid take an official visit? An official visit signifies real interest as they are almost ( not always) but 90% of the time come with an official offer. An offer to WB from GW two years before he graduated?? Well his official visits were Siena, Vermont and Elon- so is he an A10 level recruit—no. But because of his athleticism you can see why GW would watch him. Sometimes you can lock a kid up early who would have been an A10 level recruit. And finally use your eyes..other than Wright and next year Smithin, we have no A10 level talent ( maybe Nico we shall see) Jimmy has struggled signing high level talent since he has been at Siena , don’t get me wrong he has signed many MAAC/AE level kids, a few under that level but you are kidding yourself if you think he is signing A10 level talent – if you really want to know check out a few A10 games, teams like VCU, Richmond, Dayton , heck even Davidson we have very few kids that could play for those programs. We return to low major level this weekend let’s see if we even have MAAC level kids. At any rate we can agree to disagree on Siena’s talent level. And it’s not all Jimmy’s fault, when Jimmy took over Siena's talent level was the lowest it had been since the return to D1 in the early 1980’s. The PW’s recruiting was beyond atrocious, besides his God awful coaching his ability to recruit may have been worse. Want a more realistic view of Siena’s talent- The PW was here 3 years Jimmy is going into his 3rd year- not a single player recruited by either coach has made a post season ALL MAAC team- that really should tell you all you need to know about where Siena’s talent level is at
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Post by Tony on Nov 18, 2015 5:21:54 GMT -5
Since we are talking recruiting- I’ll add one more thing, if Jimmy is to be successful at Siena he will have to change his recruiting philosophy. So far Jimmy has recruited very similar to how he recruited at Loyola – a bunch of role players occasionally a MAAC level star- check out how many ALL MAAC players Jimmy recruited out of high school at Loyola ( hint very few in 11 years) he would recruit a bunch of solid role players and bring in high level transfers (Andre Collins, Hassan Fofana, Gerald Brown, Omari Isreal,Brian Rudolph,Jamal Barney,Shane Walker,Erik Etherly to name but a few ) Well much easier to bring high level players “home” to Baltimore/ DC area than Albany. Jimmy doesn’t like recruiting battles, he is going to have to target higher level talent and occasionally sign that talent or we are bound to be perpetual 500 team just my 2 cents
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 5:43:11 GMT -5
So so Jimbo.......... Every time Tony posts Patsos' recruiting style I have to cringe a bit.
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Post by mjs72 on Nov 18, 2015 6:41:18 GMT -5
Anyone have any insight on why Jimmy didn't focus primarily on a shooter, our biggest area of need with Rob and Evan leaving?
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Post by Tony on Nov 18, 2015 7:05:22 GMT -5
Anyone have any insight on why Jimmy didn't focus primarily on a shooter, our biggest area of need with Rob and Evan leaving? He did sign Cam Gottfried -- and a project in Larose..
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Post by mjs72 on Nov 18, 2015 8:01:07 GMT -5
My head hurts now.
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Post by nolesaint on Nov 22, 2015 16:22:47 GMT -5
I am not so much down on the team as I am down on Jimmy and the dept.... we are now 6 years out from the last semblance of success (CBI was fun, but team was under .500 going in) and I don't see Jimmy as the coach to get the saints back there consistently. I will happily be surprised if they go on a run the next few years, but after hearing the same rhetoric for a few years from him and really no tangible results, will need to see something on the court before i can believe anything he says..... I hear what you are saying, that is why I said it would take a couple of 20+ win seasons and multiple MAAC championships to get those who don't believe Patsos is the right guy to even think about getting fully back on board. If he does get it done according to those standards he will likely be gone anyway and we start all over again looking for the next right guy. That is where your lack of faith in the athletic administration comes into play. Two good posts. If Siena has changed it's stated goal of competing for a MAAC Championship and post season play every year then they should also adjust their revenue model if they want to keep fans involved. Siena has no rights to peoples resources (time & money) so to build high expectations and charge accordingly only to turn around and self compare to UA and UVM (read Jimmy) if an idiot's proposition. Have loved Siena forever and will continue to support/follow them but find this tiring...
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Post by nolesaint on Nov 22, 2015 16:28:30 GMT -5
Last couple pages have been for the most part spot on, but painful to read and accept, as Siena's recent history and present state of affairs....
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Post by hankla on Nov 22, 2015 19:49:39 GMT -5
Personally think Siena should recruit only kids with no academic ability and long arrest records ( the longer the better).
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Post by diamonddog on Nov 27, 2015 16:15:47 GMT -5
Interesting. Thought we don't have any more scholarships to give. This kid is in the class of 2016. We have Richard and Huerter right now right?
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