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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 11, 2014 20:57:00 GMT -5
Looking at the roster next year (assuming no more changes) 3 Seniors (Poole, Hymes, Silas) 2 Juniors (Bisping, Oliver) 6 Sophomores (Wright, Long, Cole, White, Wolfe, JO) 3 Freshmen (Paige, Brandwijk, Gottfried - WO but potentially in the rotation)With 9 Sophomores/Freshmen we will still be one of the youngest teams in the nation. The 2014-2015 season could look a lot like the 2007-2008 season when we went 23-11 won the MAAC title (finished tied with Rider for 1st at 13-5) won the MAAC tournament at the TUC and then beat Vanderbilt in the NCAAs. The year before in 06-07 we went 20-12 and lost the MAAC title game to Niagara. This year we go 20-18 and win the CBI title. I'm not predicting a season like 07-08 but it is an eerily similar situation in a very positive way. Also some key upperclassmen experience (07-08 Hasbrouck/Fisher/Duell - next year it will be Poole/Bisping) That is the biggest difference there is no upperclassman superstar on the team like a Kenny Hasbrouck but solid potential all-MAAC players. Only small concern is a six man class with the sophomores. I don't think red-shirting anyone is an option...competition will make EVERYONE better and minutes will be tough to come by! There are 14 players potentially in the rotation.. only 9-10 will see major minutes barring injuries. Jimmy will have to keep everyone happy and focused. But it is not the worst problem to have either. The next three years are going to be awesome...Let's go Saints!!! IF Brandwijk is as ready as I think he is, Wolfe would be a good guy to consider redshirting. He needs a lot of work on his body and understanding of the game. Then we'd have 5 juniors, 4 sophomores in '15-'16 I was in favor of red shirting Wolfe this past year & I got s$&t for it. I'm still in favor of red shirting him next year ( if he 's willing). It all depends on if he wants to RS. I believe he's going to be a great player, he's just so young and needs to develope physically. Plus he wasn't always in the right spot when in. Another year learning the system couldn't hurt.
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Apr 11, 2014 21:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 11, 2014 21:03:28 GMT -5
That would make a lot of sense. Brandwijk is 19 years old and is coming from Prep school. European players tend to be more physically ready to play. If Wolfe agreed to it then the staff should consider it. We needed Wolfe for a few minutes this past year but with Brandwijk, JO, Imoh and Bisping's emergence we should have enough up front. It also would help spread the classes around. 6 players in one class is too many. The only bad part is Wolfe could be a "free agent" and move on to another school after graduating unless he spread out his classes to graduate in 5 years instead of 4. Don't forget with Cole and Paige on board I fully expect Long to get more minutes at the 4 then this year, with Bisping even getting time at the 5. Wolfe won't be ready to overtake any of our current bigs next year, and this move would really be beneficial in '16-'17 and '17-'18 (Wolfes junior and senior years) Don't forget JO at the 5. He started the year as the starting 5 before getting hurt. With the mins he got against Fresno St I thought he'd work his way back into the 5 again next yr, with Silas coming off the bench. From what I've heard the plan (as of this season) is to bring Cole in off the bench. Remember, it doesn't matter who starts rate her who's hot that game to determine how much time players will get. Of course things can change over the summer (regarding the starting five) .
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Apr 11, 2014 21:40:50 GMT -5
Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 11, 2014 21:40:50 GMT -5
IF Brandwijk is as ready as I think he is, Wolfe would be a good guy to consider redshirting. He needs a lot of work on his body and understanding of the game. Then we'd have 5 juniors, 4 sophomores in '15-'16 I was in favor of red shirting Wolfe this past year & I got s$&t for it. I'm still in favor of red shirting him next year ( if he 's willing). It all depends on if he wants to RS. I believe he's going to be a great player, he's just so young and needs to develope physically. Plus he wasn't always in the right spot when in. Another year learning the system couldn't hurt. Couldn't redshirt him last year. JO hurt his ankle and was out several games. Bisping showed zero improvement the first few weeks (redshirt evaluation time), Silas was disappointing, so there was no way a 8 win team could afford to RS such a talented big man in Nov/Dec. Man did things change. Bisping turned himself into an All-MAAC player IMHO. Silas even improved during the year, and by the end of the season even JO had crept into Jimmy's good graces. Now with Brandwijk signed on, I do think this would be a great opportunity to RS Wolfe and give him the much needed time to work on his body and feel for the game. This will also break up the 6 man logjam in the sophomore class. Wolfe will be THREE times the player in '18 than he will be in '15. Will definitely soften the blow of losing Long and Wright.
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Apr 12, 2014 6:41:02 GMT -5
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Post by indian82 on Apr 12, 2014 6:41:02 GMT -5
The idea that college basketball is a "game" gets eclipsed on days like this. Thankfully, Siena has been on the fringes of intergalactic college hoop politics and these types of eclipses are rare or not noticed at all. It is, as is often mentioned here, a business to those that derive their living from it and a game for those of us that contribute coin to see it played. Rich was a great kid and today's announcement was probably never even considered by him when he excitedly chose a scholarship offer from Siena two plus years ago. I recall the first time I met him and saw the surprise in his eyes when I mentioned that I had been to Canada on numerous occasions, none of them for business related activities. The incoming talent is already being appraised and a pecking order established for next year's minutes. Two years ago Rich was in that mix. I feel bad for him since he was no doubt promised things that were never really envisioned for him during his freshman year. He found himself on the bottom of the pecking order around this time last year and got pigeonholed. Unavailable scholarships were being offered and it didn't take a math major to count two up from the bottom. For whatever reason, he wasn't able to make himself more visible on the court to our new head coach and the rest is history. The injury sealed his fate. Best of luck Rich, you did nothing to deserve this and I'm sure you will make the adjustment to a new school/program and have a chance to show the talent that got you your Siena scholarship to begin with. Well said. Best of luck to Rich in the future.
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Apr 12, 2014 6:43:54 GMT -5
Post by indian82 on Apr 12, 2014 6:43:54 GMT -5
I was under the impression this was a done deal a while ago. I tend to think this had more to do with Rich's comfort level at Siena, and not being pushed out. I could be wrong. In any event, best of luck to Rich. I may be naive, but I hope this is how it went down as well. Hate to see a kid being pushed out if he's otherwise doing the right things. These are young kids and their futures we're talking about.
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 15, 2014 18:40:28 GMT -5
I was in favor of red shirting Wolfe this past year & I got s$&t for it. I'm still in favor of red shirting him next year ( if he 's willing). It all depends on if he wants to RS. I believe he's going to be a great player, he's just so young and needs to develope physically. Plus he wasn't always in the right spot when in. Another year learning the system couldn't hurt. Couldn't redshirt him last year. JO hurt his ankle and was out several games. Bisping showed zero improvement the first few weeks (redshirt evaluation time), Silas was disappointing, so there was no way a 8 win team could afford to RS such a talented big man in Nov/Dec. Man did things change. Bisping turned himself into an All-MAAC player IMHO. Silas even improved during the year, and by the end of the season even JO had crept into Jimmy's good graces. Now with Brandwijk signed on, I do think this would be a great opportunity to RS Wolfe and give him the much needed time to work on his body and feel for the game. This will also break up the 6 man logjam in the sophomore class. Wolfe will be THREE times the player in '18 than he will be in '15. Will definitely soften the blow of losing Long and Wright. My wanting to RS Wolfe corresponded with Jimmy's initial statements (well before the beginning of the regular season). Actually, it was prior to the two scrimmages. It wasn't until those two scrimmages that everyone else seemed like I was crazy to even think of RSing him, but none the less I believed in Jimmy's original eval & was in favor of RSing him last year. I'm still in favor of RSing him this season too; to give him more time to develope & thin out that class. I still believe he's going to be real good but needs time. I'm not sure he wants to RS though & you can't force someone to.
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Apr 15, 2014 18:48:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 18:48:31 GMT -5
IMO, That option is gone. if he was to redshirt it should have been this season. This year was a wasted year and if he were to redshirt next year that would mean 2 years of not playing competitive basketball in games. how realistic is it to expect this kid to sit for 2 years and come in and be an impact player after falling further behind the kids that are getting experience on the court. I don't see why he would agree to that.
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Apr 15, 2014 19:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2014 19:18:06 GMT -5
IMO, That option is gone. if he was to redshirt it should have been this season. This year was a wasted year and if he were to redshirt next year that would mean 2 years of not playing competitive basketball in games. how realistic is it to expect this kid to sit for 2 years and come in and be an impact player after falling further behind the kids that are getting experience on the court. I don't see why he would agree to that. Don't agree. Wolfe is very young, physically underdeveloped, his game is soft. He needs a year to mature. If he doesn't RS next yr he'll see about the same amount of game time as he did this yr and that's a waste. It will do nothing for his development. In addition a RS helps balance out the class (a little anyway). I'm all for a RS his soph yr! He'll have 3 solid yrs of eligibility and have a chance to get stronger and refine his game,
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Apr 15, 2014 19:38:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 19:38:58 GMT -5
I understand the balancing of the classes but too be honest that is not Wolfe's problem. If Wolfe is asked to redshirt next year because he cant get more minutes than an incoming Freshman then he made a mistake and should have went to prep school to develop his game instead of sitting on the bench for his first 2 years of college. He has a skill set just as good as any player on the team and the athletic frontcourt player on the team. I agree he needs to get stronger, just don't agree that a player for the most part being off the court for 2 years, helps him develop. I come from the school of you get better from actual experience. I guess we can just agree to disagree
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 15, 2014 20:57:55 GMT -5
He won't play this year. When Silas and Poole leave, it's open up minutes on the frontcourt. Push Lavcn to 3 a little more, which would free up some more minutes at the 4.
He's just not ready to play physically. Does it really matter if he RS last year or this year? He's still be a soph in '15-'16 so how does it matter? I agree it's not the normal way to do it, but it's what's best for the kid 75% and best to even out the classes 25%. (This is all based on the staff knowing Brrandwijk can be a contributor if necessary as a freshman)
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Post by Tony on Apr 16, 2014 4:14:01 GMT -5
How about we wait till next fall? Let’s see how much stronger he can get- lets also wait to see if Brandwijk is better than him. Option might be on table but too early to make call. May or may not be right thing to do. Michael might always be a backup option and let’s let the kid get his education.
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Post by Big papi on Apr 16, 2014 6:58:47 GMT -5
I'd wait and see too. If a kid is in your program for two years and can't get minutes maybe he or the staff made a mistake.
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 16, 2014 7:28:57 GMT -5
I just want to clarify my position. The reason why I was in favor of RS Wolfe last yr was only because Jimmy didn't think he was ready. That was good enough for me (regardless of his skills displayed in the two scrimmages). As we saw throughout the yr Wolfe got yanked quickly due to not listening to what Jimmy asked of him or for not knowing where to be in the floor. That tells me he needs time to understand what he needs to do & where to be on the floor (offense $ defense).
When HJ (not to throw him under the bus) commented on possibly RS Wolfe, that's when I agreed & to bring up the s$@t I got last yr for thinking the same thing.
Once again, I'm in favor of RS Wolfe - only if Jimmy & Staff think he needs it and if Wolfe agrees. I'm not as good a judge of talent & if they believe he's ready to play or not . That's the coaching staff's job. I'm simply not against their decision to RS someone. While others in this stite clearly disagreed with me and more importantly the coaching staff.
I'm all for waiting to see how he develops this summer but if they RS him I won't be surprise or against that decision. Besides Wolfe may not want to RS and you can 't force someone to.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Apr 16, 2014 7:36:23 GMT -5
I don't see why it would be a good idea to put Wolfe and Brandwijk into the same class. Look for Wolfe to be able to make a sophomore jump this offseason, and while Brandwijk is a well-regarded recruit, he will need to adjust to the college game as all forwards need to do.
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Apr 16, 2014 8:56:11 GMT -5
Post by siena70 on Apr 16, 2014 8:56:11 GMT -5
Wolfe will never be redshirted. Jimmy has already recruited over him at SF and at PF.
Wolfe has talent but doesn't yet have enough to gain a lot of minutes.
Competition is good and the best player in Jimmy's opinion will get teh most time. Early last year , JO's injury was a blesssing,as it forced Jimmy to give Bisping more time and he proved himself.
A good coach must not only recognize talent , but also develop talent in player's that show the potential.
Wolfe is really a SF, and will have to compete with Cole, Lavon, Paige , Brandewijk and others .
That's a lot of competition. I personally don't see the value in redshirting him at all.
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