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Post by Tony on Mar 9, 2014 19:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by MTS on Mar 9, 2014 20:22:26 GMT -5
I thought Jimmy did a great job this year. He made some mistakes like all coaches do but I was really impressed on how hard he got the team to play. We were prepared for every year (all 32 of them). Just like when Fran took over in 2005 it was night and day from the previous year. Will he get us to the heights of 2007-2010? That question will be answered in the next few seasons. This year was all about rebuilding the program/setting the foundation and so far that process has gone very well. Overall I would give Jimmy a B+ for his first year at Siena.
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Post by onionsbaby on Mar 9, 2014 20:45:48 GMT -5
Patsos had them playing hard all year- the team should have a bright future- funny ending to article--the team is def one of the most dunk challenged I ever saw- even the center couldn't dunk- but I guess as all that matters is they scored and were exciting to watch... But an occasional jam woulda been nice...
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Post by saints22 on Mar 10, 2014 11:30:26 GMT -5
I thought Jimmy did a great job this year. He made some mistakes like all coaches do but I was really impressed on how hard he got the team to play. We were prepared for every year (all 32 of them). Just like when Fran took over in 2005 it was night and day from the previous year. Will he get us to the heights of 2007-2010? That question will be answered in the next few seasons. This year was all about rebuilding the program/setting the foundation and so far that process has gone very well. Overall I would give Jimmy a B+ for his first year at Siena. Jimmy doesn't do + (plus) or - (minus) grades. So, in his grading system, your B+ becomes a B. Not at all bad for the first year given the circumstances. |
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Post by siena95 on Mar 10, 2014 11:46:21 GMT -5
I thought Jimmy did a great job this year. He made some mistakes like all coaches do but I was really impressed on how hard he got the team to play. We were prepared for every year (all 32 of them). Just like when Fran took over in 2005 it was night and day from the previous year. Will he get us to the heights of 2007-2010? That question will be answered in the next few seasons. This year was all about rebuilding the program/setting the foundation and so far that process has gone very well. Overall I would give Jimmy a B+ for his first year at Siena. Can you go one post w/o a comparison? |
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Post by olddave on Mar 12, 2014 6:21:39 GMT -5
Pastos a good coach who says he loves Albany area and by tested means you have to believe him, Siena biggest challenge will always be coach retention.
Next year brings a nice scenario with good recruits and all players returning. Still trying to compete for champions will be difficult due to Iona's type of recruiting of judo's. Having 22 23 24 year old men, ala Baron playing against younger men is difficult. Siena did week this year hopefully keep up with their aspirations.
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Post by glen on Mar 12, 2014 6:58:48 GMT -5
The key for Jimmy is recruiting. To get back to what we had you need a class like what we had. The MAAC generally doesn't get 3 frosh starter-caliber players at one time...they're usually spread across classes. When that happens you're always losing a piece of the puzzle. Fran hit gold with Ron/Edwin/Alex. He got 3 ready-to-play guys that could compete for a title day 1. When you have that nucleus for 4 years it is tough to beat. Other teams may have a guy or 2 but every year they lose one or 2.
It was that sustained success that got us a 9 seed. It was that sustained success that had us in the conversation for the kid Fran took to Iowa. Of course, it is that sustained success that got Fran to Iowa :-)
The net is that IMO, with the pieces in place today, I could see us possibly winning a MAAC champ but I don't see the parts in place for sustained success. Now, it is early in Jimmy's tenure so he has time but we might be looking 6-7 years out to get back to where we were. Jimmy's hands were tied on recruiting right out of the gate. He pulled a rabbit out of a hat to get what we've got.
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Post by greenblood on Mar 12, 2014 10:15:53 GMT -5
My fear is continually trying to reload with Freshmen while others are recruiting 21-24 year olds.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 12, 2014 18:13:17 GMT -5
My fear is continually trying to reload with Freshmen while others are recruiting 21-24 year olds. This will pay off in the long run. All these transfers the maac has and the only team that has won NCAA games over the past few years is still siena. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 19:02:25 GMT -5
My fear is continually trying to reload with Freshmen while others are recruiting 21-24 year olds. I understand what you are saying but if Siena ever gets the invite to the A-10 it is only going to be a bigger issue. just taking a quick look on cbs sports the average age of the top 8 A-10 teams are between 22-24, and all of these teams had 3-5 freshmen on the team. there are also a fair amount of Jucos and transfers. the higher level leagues are all over juco kids, especially those that can come in with 3 years of eligibility remaining. in comparison in the MAAC Iona averages 22 years old with 4 frosh to bring down that age number. Manhattan and QPAC are at 21 as is Siena. Canisius averaged 20 years old. I guess the point I am trying to make is if we think age, JUCOS and transfers are an issue now it may be only worse in the A-10. To compete at that level Siena may have to give Patsos a little wiggle room with transfers and an occasional JUCO. |
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 12, 2014 19:23:19 GMT -5
My fear is continually trying to reload with Freshmen while others are recruiting 21-24 year olds. Siena did it their way and won 3 titles in a row and 2 NCAA games in row. The others with their 1 or 2 year mercenaries for hire will never have a run like that. There's no way to have that multi-year foundation of chemistry with all the roster turnover that comes with a heavy reliance on Jucos and transfers. That's why programs like Iona will rarely be dynasties or have much postseason success. Same reason why the Yankees stopped winning titles once their home grown core started retiring and they then started relying mostly on free agents. No thanks, I'd rather we take our lumps while being patient and building something the right way instead of the quick and easy way. |
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Post by psycholojets on Mar 12, 2014 19:31:59 GMT -5
This is an old argument and one that is decided elsewhere. I found myself wondering what the Loyola team might have liked like if they had stayed in the maac. Given the returnees and the recruits who we enjoyed watching this year at Siena I think they would have been very good. Jimmie seems to understand how to build a winning program and I think he will do so at Siena.
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Post by Quackman on Mar 12, 2014 19:40:38 GMT -5
Personally, I'd rather root for a college team that recruits, holds on to and develops their players then one that changes their roster more often than a professional team.
It's working for Iona right now but they'll see diminishing returns, much like what happened when Ruland was the coach.
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Post by knicksaint on Mar 12, 2014 21:02:51 GMT -5
My fear is continually trying to reload with Freshmen while others are recruiting 21-24 year olds. I understand what you are saying but if Siena ever gets the invite to the A-10 it is only going to be a bigger issue. just taking a quick look on cbs sports the average age of the top 8 A-10 teams are between 22-24, and all of these teams had 3-5 freshmen on the team. there are also a fair amount of Jucos and transfers. the higher level leagues are all over juco kids, especially those that can come in with 3 years of eligibility remaining. in comparison in the MAAC Iona averages 22 years old with 4 frosh to bring down that age number. Manhattan and QPAC are at 21 as is Siena. Canisius averaged 20 years old. I guess the point I am trying to make is if we think age, JUCOS and transfers are an issue now it may be only worse in the A-10. To compete at that level Siena may have to give Patsos a little wiggle room with transfers and an occasional JUCO. Unless the rule has changed, it is my understanding that if a high schooler is a non-qualifier and enrolls in a junior college, he needs to accumulate 60 transferable credits to go D1. The rule is different for the qualifier out of high school who didn't get the D1 offer he was looking for. Such a kid can go D1 after just a year at a Juco. Some of you may remember a PG out of Kansas named Todd Okeson, who Lanier was recruiting. After one year at a Kansas Juco, he transferred to Nevada and played for three years, helping the Wolfpack to at least one tournament win. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 21:11:08 GMT -5
I believe that is the rule. I think one rule that did change was that a JUCO kid had to have at least a 2.5 GPA to be eligible. have to see if I can find that rule. I for one do not have an issue with recruiting a JUCO if you can get him for 3 years. it can help balance classes and at least you know that a 3 year kid was eligible out of HS. I know Fran just got a commitment from JUCO guard Trey Dickerson for Iowa. pretty sure he has 3 years remaining. I understand that is not Siena's or Patsos way of recruiting but is something Siena will have to deal with at a higher level if the A-10 comes calling
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