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Post by Tony on Dec 31, 2013 10:39:21 GMT -5
Here are MAAC numbers for Men's BB--2013 info goes thru May of 2013. Not sure if Siena's numbers include Mitch's buy out.. Check out SPC..please discuss
Siena College $2,668,068 Quinnipiac University $2,329,929 Fairfield University $2,230,121 Iona College $1,942,825 Marist College $1,757,998 Manhattan College $1,746,018 Canisius College $1,681,925 Monmouth university $1,625,967 Niagara University $1,529,288 Rider University $1,533,959 Saint Peter's College $1,094,528
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Post by siena70 on Dec 31, 2013 11:41:56 GMT -5
Tony:
It would be great if we could get the actual breakdown of the individual costs in Siena's men's basketball budget. We need to compare direct comparable costs, such as coaches salaries, rercruiting etc. Siena pays TUC rent, and probably has a Mitch buyout etc.
It appears that for costs directly related to men's basketball , that Quninnipiac and /or FF may outspend us.
QU is a team that will prosper in the MAAC and , IMO, and will become a premier team in the MAAC once they go through a full 4-year rrecruiting cycle.
John Dunne doesn't get enough credit for jeob he does at SP with considerably less resources than other MAAC programs.
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Post by billmurray on Dec 31, 2013 12:19:50 GMT -5
Given that the revenue St. Peter's generates is probably at best 30-50K that is a big commitment for them.
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Post by Sienafan on Dec 31, 2013 13:12:32 GMT -5
Siena's number almost certainly includes Mitch's is salary. They're paying two head coaches on the books right now. Siena has typically been splitting the difference between where Quinny and Fairfield are. That said, don't expect the number to go down once Mitch comes off the books. They have been saying for sometime that the budget was going to get a significant bump. If Siena has aspirations of competing in the upper half of the A-10 someday, they would have to add at least another million to that figure. Siena's current hoops budget would be 12th in the A-10, ahead of only St. Bonaventure and LaSalle. Even adding another million would only put them mid-pack at 6th, just behind VCU and ahead of Fordham and UMass. That said, Fordham is proof-positive that financial commitment alone doesn't guarantee success in a strong conference. You also need to have good coaches and right facilities to attract top recruits. Siena appears to be positioning itself to be in good shape on both counts.
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Post by Tony on Jan 1, 2014 7:35:56 GMT -5
The info for this report ends may 31st so they were only paying Patsos for 2 months
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Post by Tony on Jan 1, 2014 7:45:00 GMT -5
A10 info-- Siena will clearly have to increase budget -- and look at Davidson- they are looking at massive increase-- believe they are also building a practice facility
Virginia Commonwealth University $5,052,379 University of Richmond $4,162,532 Duquesne University $3,551,737 Saint Joseph's University $3,379,619 University of Massachusetts Amherst $3,266,120 Fordham University $3,146,736 George Washington University $3,107,005 George Mason University $3,010,170 La Salle University $2,782,264 University of Rhode Island $2,784,810 Saint Bonaventure University $2,495,445
Joins next year Davidson College $2,048,783
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Post by Sienafan on Jan 1, 2014 9:12:44 GMT -5
So Siena is clearly the only MAAC program already funding its hoops program at an A-10 level - albeit at the bottom of that league. Based on your numbers it's not an absurdly huge reach for Siena to have a competitive budget in that league in terms of hoops. That said the entire athletic budget is a concern. I think Daytona and St. Louis would have to depart before Siena would be interested. I don't see the administration being keen on having to schlep all its non-revenue teams out to Ohio and Missouri every season.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Jan 1, 2014 9:50:29 GMT -5
These numbers aren't quite one-to-one. One of the reasons that Siena and Fairfield spend more is that we're renting our arenas. We get revenue from that, of course, but it shows up as an expense where it doesn't for others. Quinnipiac and Monmouth both have new facilities, but are they putting the debt service expenses in the athletic budget or the general fund budget? I'm speculating, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Q appears to spend so much because they count as athletic expenses things that others don't. And since we're talking about private schools here, they're not required to explain themselves to anyone other than their Trustees.
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Post by Tony on Jan 1, 2014 10:07:12 GMT -5
What struck me reading this info – was other than Quinny and FF on high end and SPC on low end—how close the other 7 MAAC programs are. Funny how close their budgets are and how they draw fans ( revenue) very harmonious group- no wonder they had no interest in Drexel- Hofstra and Northeastern—all 3 of them with budgets similar to Siena’s 2.5 to 2.6 mill. Also shows Siena while still a way away from a10 schools men’s basketball budgets they are not that far off that it’s an insurmountable jump – especially given Siena goals for attendance and corporate sponsorship.
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 1, 2014 10:10:42 GMT -5
So Siena is clearly the only MAAC program already funding its hoops program at an A-10 level - albeit at the bottom of that league. Based on your numbers it's not an absurdly huge reach for Siena to have a competitive budget in that league in terms of hoops. That said the entire athletic budget is a concern. I think Daytona and St. Louis would have to depart before Siena would be interested. I don't see the administration being keen on having to schlep all its non-revenue teams out to Ohio and Missouri every season. With expansion the A-10 could easily break into East/West, North/South Divisions to limit travel for the non-revenue sports.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 10:15:21 GMT -5
How the hell does SPC even function at that number?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 10:32:14 GMT -5
Coach makes 80k and they take the China bus to all the away games.
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Post by MTS on Jan 1, 2014 11:14:15 GMT -5
So Siena is clearly the only MAAC program already funding its hoops program at an A-10 level - albeit at the bottom of that league. Based on your numbers it's not an absurdly huge reach for Siena to have a competitive budget in that league in terms of hoops. That said the entire athletic budget is a concern. I think Daytona and St. Louis would have to depart before Siena would be interested. I don't see the administration being keen on having to schlep all its non-revenue teams out to Ohio and Missouri every season. St. Louis is not going to be in the A10 long term. It's only a matter of time before the Big East expands to 12 teams and maybe 14 down the road. I don't think it's a big deal if Siena plays a year or two with St Louis/Dayton in the A10. When the A10 offers Siena and wants us to begin play...we go.
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