Fran is mad at us......

[hoopjunkie]

Apr 29, 2024 11:16:17 GMT -5 james said:

LMAO! Fran owes Siena Nothing, as a matter of fact the Saints owe him for the 3 year run,the honorable mention in the top 25 BB teams in the country. Funny how anyone who leaves Siena for better pastures,either a Coach or player becomes open season for Siena Family. GO SAINTS!!

So you think if Fran, who clearly has a relationship (mutually beneficial) with Siena, schedules a MAAC team, it shouldnt be Siena??

Give me a logical reason why he'd give Rider the $100K/game and not us.

[$cott]

Apr 29, 2024 11:56:37 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

Apr 29, 2024 11:16:17 GMT -5 james said:

LMAO! Fran owes Siena Nothing, as a matter of fact the Saints owe him for the 3 year run,the honorable mention in the top 25 BB teams in the country. Funny how anyone who leaves Siena for better pastures,either a Coach or player becomes open season for Siena Family. GO SAINTS!!

So you think if Fran, who clearly has a relationship (mutually beneficial) with Siena, schedules a MAAC team, it shouldnt be Siena??

Give me a logical reason why he'd give Rider the $100K/game and not us.

Siena is in the Ft Myer's tip-off event this coming season which includes a trip to Xavier. Traditionally Siena has not played guarantee games when they are in an exempt event unless they have gone with less than 14 home games. It is very likely that Siena is not in the market for a guarantee game at this point and if they were to find one it would make more sense to play one at Cincinnati during the trip to Xavier or try to get another one with Georgetown.

[SIENA1971]

Apr 29, 2024 11:54:12 GMT -5 glen said:

Also possible it fit in Rider's schedule better than ours.

A more likely scenario is scheduling OOC games went off the rails when Carm was fired & the effort was only revived recently … how many dates/games remaining to fill a full schedule?

[$cott]

Apr 29, 2024 13:55:02 GMT -5 SIENA1971 said:

Apr 29, 2024 11:54:12 GMT -5 glen said:

Also possible it fit in Rider's schedule better than ours.

A more likely scenario is scheduling OOC games went off the rails when Carm was fired & the effort was only revived recently … how many dates/games remaining to fill a full schedule?

Two and we only currently have 3 non-conference home games. So we need at least one home game and then the other would ideally be used to start a home and home series on the road to get a home game for 2025-2026. Keep in mind that when you start a home and home with a road game you can schedule much more desirable opponents that are desperate to get another home game scheduled in year one. If financial constraints are that bad that they need to take on a guarantee game this year then that means either a home game this year or next year would need to be sacrificed. Unless that guarantee game pays for travel costs then a guarantee game at Iowa would make no sense. A good chunk of that $100k would be spent on travel costs.

[MTS]

Apr 29, 2024 13:55:02 GMT -5 SIENA1971 said:

Apr 29, 2024 11:54:12 GMT -5 glen said:

Also possible it fit in Rider's schedule better than ours.

A more likely scenario is scheduling OOC games went off the rails when Carm was fired & the effort was only revived recently … how many dates/games remaining to fill a full schedule?

I believe KnickSaint said the schedule is all filled but for one more home game.

[gorvy]

We need to move away from guarantee games. Coach Mac knows more than anyone except possibly Louis Orr the importance of getting more home games on the schedule. Maybe between him and the collective things can change in that area. Absolutely no reason we should have an inbalanced 14-17 schedule with our arena and fan base.

[hoopjunkie]

May 3, 2024 10:30:40 GMT -5 gorvy said:

We need to move away from guarantee games. Coach Mac knows more than anyone except possibly Louis Orr the importance of getting more home games on the schedule. Maybe between him and the collective things can change in that area. Absolutely no reason we should have an inbalanced 14-17 schedule with our arena and fan base.

Disagree. Not sure how'd we get more home games with a 100% mid major schedule? They'd all want return games. A balanced schedule, sure.

Playing 2 guarantee games would generate hundreds of thousands of dollars. With NIL dominating the world of basketball now, how big your NIL chest is imperative. Playing 2 P6 programs on the road in front of big crowds would be good for our ultimate goal....winning the MAAC tourney.

The negative nowadays is showcasing your kids in front of the bigger programs. It was no accident the top 2 teams that were all over McCollum were Oklahoma and Fla St. Two of the teams in the Disney tourney 2 years ago.

MSM played at Georgia last year. Their two guards went for 50. Guess where they're both playing this year?

[$cott]

May 3, 2024 11:29:59 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

May 3, 2024 10:30:40 GMT -5 gorvy said:

We need to move away from guarantee games. Coach Mac knows more than anyone except possibly Louis Orr the importance of getting more home games on the schedule. Maybe between him and the collective things can change in that area. Absolutely no reason we should have an inbalanced 14-17 schedule with our arena and fan base.

Disagree. Not sure how'd we get more home games with a 100% mid major schedule? They'd all want return games. A balanced schedule, sure.

Playing 2 guarantee games would generate hundreds of thousands of dollars. With NIL dominating the world of basketball now, how big your NIL chest is imperative. Playing 2 P6 programs on the road in front of big crowds would be good for our ultimate goal....winning the MAAC tourney.

The negative nowadays is showcasing your kids in front of the bigger programs. It was no accident the top 2 teams that were all over McCollum were Oklahoma and Fla St. Two of the teams in the Disney tourney 2 years ago.

MSM played at Georgia last year. Their two guards went for 50. Guess where they're both playing this year?

I think he's suggesting we pay $50k or something to bring in two low majors that are looking for a guarantee game and will take lesser money for a more winnable game. I just don't know that there is the demand for those games that is going to sell any tickets. I doubt the season ticket holders are going to want to fork over extra money to see two really bad teams added to the schedule. I guess I'm just used to the 14 home games at this point, it seems just the right amount where it is just starting to feel like too many games towards the end of the year which is what you want. Granted, this could balance that more with two extra early season home games when you are more eager for action.

[hoopjunkie]

May 3, 2024 11:50:08 GMT -5 $cott said:

May 3, 2024 11:29:59 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

Disagree. Not sure how'd we get more home games with a 100% mid major schedule? They'd all want return games. A balanced schedule, sure.

Playing 2 guarantee games would generate hundreds of thousands of dollars. With NIL dominating the world of basketball now, how big your NIL chest is imperative. Playing 2 P6 programs on the road in front of big crowds would be good for our ultimate goal....winning the MAAC tourney.

The negative nowadays is showcasing your kids in front of the bigger programs. It was no accident the top 2 teams that were all over McCollum were Oklahoma and Fla St. Two of the teams in the Disney tourney 2 years ago.

MSM played at Georgia last year. Their two guards went for 50. Guess where they're both playing this year?

I think he's suggesting we pay $50k or something to bring in two low majors that are looking for a guarantee game and will take lesser money for a more winnable game. I just don't know that there is the demand for those games that is going to sell any tickets. I doubt the season ticket holders are going to want to fork over extra money to see two really bad teams added to the schedule. I guess I'm just used to the 14 home games at this point, it seems just the right amount where it is just starting to feel like too many games towards the end of the year which is what you want. Granted, this could balance that more with two extra early season home games when you are more eager for action.

I doubt we've ever paid another D-1 team to play us. And this would hurt us financially, not help us. Playing against teams with much more talent is good for us. It'll get us battle tested, and probably 2 really good players next portal $eaSon!

[gorvy]

May 3, 2024 11:50:08 GMT -5 $cott said:

May 3, 2024 11:29:59 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

Disagree. Not sure how'd we get more home games with a 100% mid major schedule? They'd all want return games. A balanced schedule, sure.

Playing 2 guarantee games would generate hundreds of thousands of dollars. With NIL dominating the world of basketball now, how big your NIL chest is imperative. Playing 2 P6 programs on the road in front of big crowds would be good for our ultimate goal....winning the MAAC tourney.

The negative nowadays is showcasing your kids in front of the bigger programs. It was no accident the top 2 teams that were all over McCollum were Oklahoma and Fla St. Two of the teams in the Disney tourney 2 years ago.

MSM played at Georgia last year. Their two guards went for 50. Guess where they're both playing this year?

I think he's suggesting we pay $50k or something to bring in two low majors that are looking for a guarantee game and will take lesser money for a more winnable game. I just don't know that there is the demand for those games that is going to sell any tickets. I doubt the season ticket holders are going to want to fork over extra money to see two really bad teams added to the schedule. I guess I'm just used to the 14 home games at this point, it seems just the right amount where it is just starting to feel like too many games towards the end of the year which is what you want. Granted, this could balance that more with two extra early season home games when you are more eager for action.

Nah id settle for balanced. The pre season tournaments where we play road games have to go. Schedule other mid majors (or low majors) to keep it even. Down the road if we become successful and really want to make a run we pay for more home games. Go look at the other successful mid major programs. The one thing they have in common is they never play more road games than home games. It's no longer something that just Syracuse does. The entire culture of that has to change at Siena if we want sustained success.

[hoopjunkie]

May 3, 2024 13:45:26 GMT -5 gorvy said:

May 3, 2024 11:50:08 GMT -5 $cott said:

I think he's suggesting we pay $50k or something to bring in two low majors that are looking for a guarantee game and will take lesser money for a more winnable game. I just don't know that there is the demand for those games that is going to sell any tickets. I doubt the season ticket holders are going to want to fork over extra money to see two really bad teams added to the schedule. I guess I'm just used to the 14 home games at this point, it seems just the right amount where it is just starting to feel like too many games towards the end of the year which is what you want. Granted, this could balance that more with two extra early season home games when you are more eager for action.

Nah id settle for balanced. The pre season tournaments where we play road games have to go. Schedule other mid majors (or low majors) to keep it even. Down the road if we become successful and really want to make a run we pay for more home games. Go look at the other successful mid major programs. The one thing they have in common is they never play more road games than home games. It's no longer something that just Syracuse does. The entire culture of that has to change at Siena if we want sustained success.

Sounds nice, but somebody has to play more games on the road, and its def not going to be P6 teams.

Teams ranked 356 dont normally get to dictate terms either.

[skipc]

May 3, 2024 10:30:40 GMT -5 gorvy said:

We need to move away from guarantee games. Coach Mac knows more than anyone except possibly Louis Orr the importance of getting more home games on the schedule. Maybe between him and the collective things can change in that area. Absolutely no reason we should have an inbalanced 14-17 schedule with our arena and fan base.

Yah - who needs 100k anyway. Siena can just go to the money tree on campus and pluck some hundo’s off it to pay for their BB program including NIL money needed to recruit talent..
Regarding Fran- there’s 3 million reasons why he should be grateful for Siena hiring a guy making 50k a year at NC Greensboro. He was the best thing that happened to our BB program and I know that he still cares deeply about our program so I’m miffed at why we wouldn’t get the game Rider got unless it was scheduling issues but I’m not sure we were ever considered.

[gorvy]

May 4, 2024 9:55:12 GMT -5 skipc said:

May 3, 2024 10:30:40 GMT -5 gorvy said:

We need to move away from guarantee games. Coach Mac knows more than anyone except possibly Louis Orr the importance of getting more home games on the schedule. Maybe between him and the collective things can change in that area. Absolutely no reason we should have an inbalanced 14-17 schedule with our arena and fan base.

Yah - who needs 100k anyway. Siena can just go to the money tree on campus and pluck some hundo’s off it to pay for their BB program including NIL money needed to recruit talent..
Regarding Fran- there’s 3 million reasons why he should be grateful for Siena hiring a guy making 50k a year at NC Greensboro. He was the best thing that happened to our BB program and I know that he still cares deeply about our program so I’m miffed at why we wouldn’t get the game Rider got unless it was scheduling issues but I’m not sure we were ever considered.

Yea this is what I mean by the culture needs to change. Again, go look at what other programs that used to be our peers do with their schedules and then get back to me. This program has the infrastructure in place now so there is no reason why they can't move to a more balanced schedule. All I am saying to start is don't enter any more road game tournaments and try to at least make it 15-16 or 14-15 home versus away. See how that goes and go from there. Clearly what we have been doing didn't work, and overall the Maac failed at least in part due to uninspired scheduling.

[Papi]

Fran has made enough since he left Siena, he could easily donate $100k to the school once he gets canned or retires.

[hardwood]

May 4, 2024 20:39:45 GMT -5 Papi said:

Fran has made enough since he left Siena, he could easily donate $100k to the school once he gets canned or retires.

Yes, someone who’s unemployed always forks over 100k, brilliant.