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Post by dawg on May 19, 2022 11:43:20 GMT -5
We keep calling him an athletic big, I am not sure I see that in the video, there is no presumption he is an athletic big in the MAAC, not sure I am seeing it.
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Post by class94 on May 19, 2022 12:04:02 GMT -5
We keep calling him an athletic big, I am not sure I see that in the video, there is no presumption he is an athletic big in the MAAC, not sure I am seeing it. Unfortunately, I can’t disagree with this one. Jumping doesn’t seem to be a strength and I didn’t see any speed/quickness or strength that stood out.
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 19, 2022 12:35:47 GMT -5
We keep calling him an athletic big, I am not sure I see that in the video, there is no presumption he is an athletic big in the MAAC, not sure I am seeing it. Unfortunately, I can’t disagree with this one. Jumping doesn’t seem to be a strength and I didn’t see any speed/quickness or strength that stood out. THIS is the major gamble on taking kids that havent played in this country before. So our 2 Euros could very well be in for a culture shock in their first year. A foreign kid from a New England prep school doesnt concern ,e as much because you can evaluate them much easier. Im more concerned right now that the "big" our last scholly is going to is, according to GS, "better than Tertesa, and worse than Kyle Young." Since its baseball season, thats a double (Eley), a bunt single (Iceland), a HBP (Turkey) and this average big TBD sounds like a walk. I felt like we needed two HR's in this recruiting class to contend with Iona & Rider, and we didnt get close to that as far as I can see. I really hope Im wrong.
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Post by OneIndian on May 19, 2022 12:38:52 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I can’t disagree with this one. Jumping doesn’t seem to be a strength and I didn’t see any speed/quickness or strength that stood out. THIS is the major gamble on taking kids that havent played in this country before. So our 2 Euros could very well be in for a culture shock in their first year. A foreign kid from a New England prep school doesnt concern ,e as much because you can evaluate them much easier. Im more concerned right now that the "big" our last scholly is going to is, according to GS, "better than Tertesa, and worse than Kyle Young." Since its baseball season, thats a double (Eley), a bunt single (Iceland), a HBP (Turkey) and this average big TBD sounds like a walk. I felt like we needed two HR's in this recruiting class to contend with Iona & Rider, and we didnt get close to that as far as I can see. I really hope Im wrong. Like I said in another thread & I’ll repeat it here - Davidson had a 6 8 freshman wing (g/f) from Iceland last year he didn’t get off the bench. Asking these 3 euro guys to come in here and have an impact even small is expecting a lot. Big learning curve going from international ball to the US. I look at these guys as developmental undertakings who may contribute eventually. If we get any production yr 1 it’s a big bonus.
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Post by dawg on May 19, 2022 12:48:15 GMT -5
THIS is the major gamble on taking kids that havent played in this country before. So our 2 Euros could very well be in for a culture shock in their first year. A foreign kid from a New England prep school doesnt concern ,e as much because you can evaluate them much easier. Im more concerned right now that the "big" our last scholly is going to is, according to GS, "better than Tertesa, and worse than Kyle Young." Since its baseball season, thats a double (Eley), a bunt single (Iceland), a HBP (Turkey) and this average big TBD sounds like a walk. I felt like we needed two HR's in this recruiting class to contend with Iona & Rider, and we didnt get close to that as far as I can see. I really hope Im wrong. Like I said in another thread & I’ll repeat it here - Davidson had a 6 8 freshman wing (g/f) from Iceland last year he didn’t get off the bench. Asking these 3 euro guys to come in here and have an impact even small is expecting a lot. Big learning curve going from international ball to the US. I look at these guys as developmental undertakings who may contribute eventually. If we get any production yr 1 it’s a big bonus. The kid from Iceland and Turkey will most likely not get off the bench this year, if they do its because injuries or ineffectiveness all the way around. Iona and Rider believe it or not, Rider, are on paper by and far the two best teams in the MAAC. I think Fairfield and Quinny are in the next group. Siena has a class coming in that is probably not going to have much effect on this season, on paper.
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Post by class94 on May 19, 2022 12:50:37 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I can’t disagree with this one. Jumping doesn’t seem to be a strength and I didn’t see any speed/quickness or strength that stood out. THIS is the major gamble on taking kids that havent played in this country before. So our 2 Euros could very well be in for a culture shock in their first year. A foreign kid from a New England prep school doesnt concern ,e as much because you can evaluate them much easier. Im more concerned right now that the "big" our last scholly is going to is, according to GS, "better than Tertesa, and worse than Kyle Young." Since its baseball season, thats a double (Eley), a bunt single (Iceland), a HBP (Turkey) and this average big TBD sounds like a walk. I felt like we needed two HR's in this recruiting class to contend with Iona & Rider, and we didnt get close to that as far as I can see. I really hope Im wrong. Yeah, Iceman doesn’t bother me too much because we don’t have an immediate, glaring need at that position (although it sure would have been nice to get that athletic 4 who can also play some at the 5). If he sits on the bench all year, we could still be fine. I’m more worried about Tekin. We will need him to contribute. I’m also worried about the center. I agree that GS’s description doesn’t fill me with confidence. “Better than Tertsea” means nothing. So’s an orange training cone. “Worse than Kyle” is pretty broad. Kyle wasn’t bad but worse than Kyle can be anywhere from very mediocre to pretty worthless. I think it’s WAYYY to early to grade this recruiting class but I must admit, on paper, it looks like the worst recruiting class we’ve had as long as I can remember. Eley may be the only saving grace. In fact, he may end up being the only contributing member of this class. If the Euro kids surprise, I’ll be thrilled and beg for an apology from Carm the genius, but at this point, I’m not holding my breath. We will need the rest of the roster to stay healthy and a couple of guys to show some improvement.
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 19, 2022 13:00:19 GMT -5
THIS is the major gamble on taking kids that havent played in this country before. So our 2 Euros could very well be in for a culture shock in their first year. A foreign kid from a New England prep school doesnt concern ,e as much because you can evaluate them much easier. Im more concerned right now that the "big" our last scholly is going to is, according to GS, "better than Tertesa, and worse than Kyle Young." Since its baseball season, thats a double (Eley), a bunt single (Iceland), a HBP (Turkey) and this average big TBD sounds like a walk. I felt like we needed two HR's in this recruiting class to contend with Iona & Rider, and we didnt get close to that as far as I can see. I really hope Im wrong. Yeah, Iceman doesn’t bother me too much because we don’t have an immediate, glaring need at that position (although it sure would have been nice to get that athletic 4 who can also play some at the 5). If he sits on the bench all year, we could still be fine. I’m more worried about Tekin. We will need him to contribute. I’m also worried about the center. I agree that GS’s description doesn’t fill me with confidence. “Better than Tertsea” means nothing. So’s an orange training cone. “Worse than Kyle” is pretty broad. Kyle wasn’t bad but worse than Kyle can be anywhere from very mediocre to pretty worthless. I think it’s WAYYY to early to grade this recruiting class but I must admit, on paper, it looks like the worst recruiting class we’ve had as long as I can remember. Eley may be the only saving grace. In fact, he may end up being the only contributing member of this class. If the Euro kids surprise, I’ll be thrilled and beg for an apology from Carm the genius, but at this point, I’m not holding my breath. We will need the rest of the roster to stay healthy and a couple of guys to show some improvement. Im going out on a limb and predict that Coyle > Iceman. Once we got Coyle to commit, I would have gone in a different direction (older combo guard) for our 2nd to last scholly, while our trio of freshman guards get their feet wet in '22. Sort of lke the philosophy of having freshman forwards (Coyle and Iceman) slowly come along behind Kellier, Baer and Platek. We're putting a lot of pressure on Turkey and Eley to come thru immediately in the backcourt.
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Post by OneIndian on May 19, 2022 14:25:15 GMT -5
The better than Tertsea comment is rough, that’s almost impossible not to improve on but not as good as Kyle Young is interesting. If this player is in the midsle of the two, GS is probably greasing the skids. This has all the red flags signifying that this addition is probably going to be rather underwhelming and probably a bit of a stiff.
I can’t fathom what the issue is finding a sound prospect. We have at least 20 minutes of PT between the 4 and 5 this year and a graduating starter next. Why we couldn’t sell a stronger transfer or HS Prep candidate is a bit baffling.
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Post by class94 on May 19, 2022 16:13:05 GMT -5
Yeah, Iceman doesn’t bother me too much because we don’t have an immediate, glaring need at that position (although it sure would have been nice to get that athletic 4 who can also play some at the 5). If he sits on the bench all year, we could still be fine. I’m more worried about Tekin. We will need him to contribute. I’m also worried about the center. I agree that GS’s description doesn’t fill me with confidence. “Better than Tertsea” means nothing. So’s an orange training cone. “Worse than Kyle” is pretty broad. Kyle wasn’t bad but worse than Kyle can be anywhere from very mediocre to pretty worthless. I think it’s WAYYY to early to grade this recruiting class but I must admit, on paper, it looks like the worst recruiting class we’ve had as long as I can remember. Eley may be the only saving grace. In fact, he may end up being the only contributing member of this class. If the Euro kids surprise, I’ll be thrilled and beg for an apology from Carm the genius, but at this point, I’m not holding my breath. We will need the rest of the roster to stay healthy and a couple of guys to show some improvement. Im going out on a limb and predict that Coyle > Iceman. Once we got Coyle to commit, I would have gone in a different direction (older combo guard) for our 2nd to last scholly, while our trio of freshman guards get their feet wet in '22. Sort of lke the philosophy of having freshman forwards (Coyle and Iceman) slowly come along behind Kellier, Baer and Platek. We're putting a lot of pressure on Turkey and Eley to come thru immediately in the backcourt. Any room for me on that limb? I don’t even think it’s a limb. I’d bet on it. I really like Eley. I think he’ll come good.
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Post by musicman on May 20, 2022 8:02:19 GMT -5
Eley? Owens? Kellier should be better playing in his natural position. Platek not "good?" Hmmmm Sometimes negative just to be negative. Unbelievable.
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Post by musicman on May 20, 2022 8:41:50 GMT -5
Platek didn't really blow the doors off the MAAC in his few games... I want him to kill it but he's small and coming off one of the worst injuries in the sport. I feel like we're putting a lot of faith in him to be amazing. I don't think too many people have suggested that Platek is going to become Superman for us. Everyone should be at least a little concerned about his past injuries. With that being said, anyone that would express negativity about his abilities or suggest that he wouldn't be a positive addition to our roster has to have some kind of an agenda. And it's not a positive one. We have people on here that are so negative that it's hard to understand why they are still coming on posting.
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Post by greengold4ever on May 20, 2022 8:46:06 GMT -5
“ Pablo Bertone, a former professional teammate of Hasbrouck, now plays with Birgisson on Valur, a team in Iceland's top league.” "He played with Bertone in Iceland and said that he was a great teammate with a very bright future. I don’t much about him besides that he’s a 6’8 athletic wing.“ Hasbrouck knows/plays with PB. PB says Sevinn has a bright future. Sounds like something to me. But you focus on Kenny’s comment about not knowing much about our recruit and that Kenny is wishing Siena well. SMH Here is what I do know. Kenny essentially clarified, he linked Carm to Sevinn but he has no first hand knowledge of his ability, & he’s going on a recommendation from a former teammate. He may pan out, may not. This kid put up pedestrian numbers playing ball in Iceland. If he was killing it, I can see getting excited. I can only go by the info available. Video clips look ok but the level of competition is suspect. It’s the same reason I’m skeptical about Tekin and Gribben’s. I hope all three of these kids kill it here. Basketball in Iceland is ranked even in popularity with handball. It’s the equivalent of Hockey in Mexico. Maybe Carm is the next Bob McKillop, and Birgisson is the next Jon Axel Gudmundsson & Siena is the next Davidson😉. One can only hope! actually, most popular with Icelanders is winning the Eurovision competition..........just ask the group Fire Saga................
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Post by pickettandroll on May 20, 2022 9:10:19 GMT -5
His profile is intriguing. On paper a forward with some athleticism that can shoot is exactly what this roster needs. I’ll give him a shot before getting too down on it but let’s be real, he’s coming from a league that’s probably worse than the MAAC and averaged less than 4 PPG there. Jon Axel Gudmundsson put up big numbers in that same league before going to Davisson. Birgisson is going to have to greatly outperform the other guys similar to him to pan out.
Hopefully the kid works out but what I really don’t like about the signing is that it’s framed as a long-term play for when Kellier, Johnson and Baer graduate. Going into the year giving big roles to Johnson and Baer is exactly the type of complacency I was talking about before - I’m sorry but those guys killed our lineups when they were out there last year, and should be thought of more as emergency depth if we were serious about competing in the MAAC IMO. If they improve then great but not giving them at least legitimate competition at that spot is not good. I thought we needed a Billups, or at least a Golson type of signing at F, a freshman that may not start right away but would at least be in the rotation and could push for a starting role as the season progresses.
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Post by IndianSaint on May 20, 2022 10:22:51 GMT -5
His profile is intriguing. On paper a forward with some athleticism that can shoot is exactly what this roster needs. I’ll give him a shot before getting too down on it but let’s be real, he’s coming from a league that’s probably worse than the MAAC and averaged less than 4 PPG there. Jon Axel Gudmundsson put up big numbers in that same league before going to Davisson. Birgisson is going to have to greatly outperform the other guys similar to him to pan out. Hopefully the kid works out but what I really don’t like about the signing is that it’s framed as a long-term play for when Kellier, Johnson and Baer graduate. Going into the year giving big roles to Johnson and Baer is exactly the type of complacency I was talking about before - I’m sorry but those guys killed our lineups when they were out there last year, and should be thought of more as emergency depth if we were serious about competing in the MAAC IMO. If they improve then great but not giving them at least legitimate competition at that spot is not good. I thought we needed a Billups, or at least a Golson type of signing at F, a freshman that may not start right away but would at least be in the rotation and could push for a starting role as the season progresses. I’m not suggesting Johnson will be great but I want to point out he played injured most of the year and then when he finally started to recover from one, he injured his shoulder/arm. So we may not have seen him at his best. Kellier actually held his own while playing out of position. He was asked to play out of position and he did so w/o complaint (too much 🙂) and took one for the team. He’ll only be better next year if he’s still playing out of position or we’ll finally get to see him in his more natural position.
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Post by pickettandroll on May 20, 2022 11:37:23 GMT -5
His profile is intriguing. On paper a forward with some athleticism that can shoot is exactly what this roster needs. I’ll give him a shot before getting too down on it but let’s be real, he’s coming from a league that’s probably worse than the MAAC and averaged less than 4 PPG there. Jon Axel Gudmundsson put up big numbers in that same league before going to Davisson. Birgisson is going to have to greatly outperform the other guys similar to him to pan out. Hopefully the kid works out but what I really don’t like about the signing is that it’s framed as a long-term play for when Kellier, Johnson and Baer graduate. Going into the year giving big roles to Johnson and Baer is exactly the type of complacency I was talking about before - I’m sorry but those guys killed our lineups when they were out there last year, and should be thought of more as emergency depth if we were serious about competing in the MAAC IMO. If they improve then great but not giving them at least legitimate competition at that spot is not good. I thought we needed a Billups, or at least a Golson type of signing at F, a freshman that may not start right away but would at least be in the rotation and could push for a starting role as the season progresses. I’m not suggesting Johnson will be great but I want to point out he played injured most of the year and then when he finally started to recover from one, he injured his shoulder/arm. So we may not have seen him at his best. Kellier actually held his own while playing out of position. He was asked to play out of position and he did so w/o complaint (too much 🙂) and took one for the team. He’ll only be better next year if he’s still playing out of position or we’ll finally get to see him in his more natural position. I’m sure Johnson wasn’t 100% but he was an absolute dumpster fire last year. Legitimately one of the worst players I’ve seen get regular minutes in a Siena uniform. By all means let him compete but he hasn’t earned rotation minutes at all. I’ve said before I like Kellier but more as a 6th or 7th man. Thought he did a great job backing up Stormo, but a lot of the value there was in running 5-out lineups, so we’ll see how he does if he’s given more minutes at the 4. There’s probably a reason Carm started Baer next to Stormo instead of Kellier when Gaines got hurt
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