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Post by hoopjunkie on May 26, 2022 12:16:41 GMT -5
I'll never forget when King Rice and Shaheen Holloway claimed Carm embracing BLM would mean a lot and help him in recruiting black players. This year, 6 recruits, 5 white. Maybe, just MAYBE he didn’t do it for recruiting advantages. Maybe…..just MAYBE he did it because he sees first hand how the young men that he mentors day and and day out suffer on a daily basis because of the racial injustices that persist in our country due to the ignorance of individuals like the person that posted this??? 🤔 I dont think he did it for recruiting advantages either, but was surprised when those coaches came out with that take. Carm is definitely entitled to express his feelings on this topic. I know it doesnt bother me to the point I wouldnt go to games (which did happen with some of our bigger boosters). I shouldnt have bought this up on a OOC schedule thread.
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Post by $cott on May 26, 2022 12:20:49 GMT -5
All of these ideas, while noble, are essentially dead on arrival when pitched to other teams. Guess I don't understand why it would be a hard sell to get teams to make one trip out to play 3 games in a big arena and then get home games with both Siena and Albany the following year. Seems like a pretty good deal.
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Post by SIENA1971 on May 26, 2022 12:25:25 GMT -5
All of these ideas, while noble, are essentially dead on arrival when pitched to other teams. Guess I don't understand why it would be a hard sell to get teams to make one trip out to play 3 games in a big arena and then get home games with both Siena and Albany the following year. Seems like a pretty good deal. Or alternate Tourney … Albany then Buffalo following year
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 26, 2022 12:35:12 GMT -5
All of these ideas, while noble, are essentially dead on arrival when pitched to other teams. Guess I don't understand why it would be a hard sell to get teams to make one trip out to play 3 games in a big arena and then get home games with both Siena and Albany the following year. Seems like a pretty good deal. What you’re describing is an exempt event, or MTE. You can only play one a year. Most mid majors either want to get a check from their MTE (like when we played Duke and Wisconsin a couple years ago) or they want to go to a destination (we’re going to Orlando, I think Albany’s going to Fort Myers, Bona went to Charleston last year, Buffalo went to Cancun recently). There’s also money involved in these things. This event wouldn’t have any value from a TV standpoint, so no event company that runs these things is going to get involved. Are there creative things worth pitching? Maybe. Could do an Albany vs Buffalo yearly doubleheader, Siena plays UB and Albany plays Canisius or something. But then you’re giving away a home game in your ticket package when you could probably just play home and home. I am all for trying to get solid home games on the schedule. Delaware was a good home and home. Hard to argue with Harvard or Yale. Hofstra back on the schedule would be good. We get Bona home and home, that works. Colgate has been good. Bucknell and Holy Cross are fine games. But there are lots of moving parts that come with scheduling in 2022 and sometimes those mean fewer home games. If playing one less home game means our players get 10 days in Italy (and 10 extra practices) I will make that trade every day.
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Post by class94 on May 26, 2022 12:59:30 GMT -5
Maybe, just MAYBE he didn’t do it for recruiting advantages. Maybe…..just MAYBE he did it because he sees first hand how the young men that he mentors day and and day out suffer on a daily basis because of the racial injustices that persist in our country due to the ignorance of individuals like the person that posted this??? 🤔 I dont think he did it for recruiting advantages either, but was surprised when those coaches came out with that take. Carm is definitely entitled to express his feelings on this topic. I know it doesnt bother me to the point I wouldnt go to games (which did happen with some of our bigger boosters). I shouldnt have bought this up on a OOC schedule thread. My comment wasn’t directed at you.
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Post by $cott on May 26, 2022 13:01:21 GMT -5
Guess I don't understand why it would be a hard sell to get teams to make one trip out to play 3 games in a big arena and then get home games with both Siena and Albany the following year. Seems like a pretty good deal. What you’re describing is an exempt event, or MTE. You can only play one a year. Most mid majors either want to get a check from their MTE (like when we played Duke and Wisconsin a couple years ago) or they want to go to a destination (we’re going to Orlando, I think Albany’s going to Fort Myers, Bona went to Charleston last year, Buffalo went to Cancun recently). There’s also money involved in these things. This event wouldn’t have any value from a TV standpoint, so no event company that runs these things is going to get involved. Are there creative things worth pitching? Maybe. Could do an Albany vs Buffalo yearly doubleheader, Siena plays UB and Albany plays Canisius or something. But then you’re giving away a home game in your ticket package when you could probably just play home and home. I am all for trying to get solid home games on the schedule. Delaware was a good home and home. Hard to argue with Harvard or Yale. Hofstra back on the schedule would be good. We get Bona home and home, that works. Colgate has been good. Bucknell and Holy Cross are fine games. But there are lots of moving parts that come with scheduling in 2022 and sometimes those mean fewer home games. If playing one less home game means our players get 10 days in Italy (and 10 extra practices) I will make that trade every day. Sure it would be nice if it was an exempt event but that isn't what I am talking about. I'm talking about a round robin event that would count as the normal three games on the schedule. I think you could find pretty solid teams willing to take one trip and play three games in three days in exchange for two home games the following season. Teams would still be able to play in a normal exempt event. I think the appeal to the season ticket holder of seeing 6 basketball games over 3 days is much higher than seeing a home and home with any of the individual teams even if it means being displaced from your normal seats for that event. Or you just remove the event from season tickets and the season ticket package would essentially be the MAAC games plus one or two non-conference games (which is where we already are).
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 26, 2022 13:14:25 GMT -5
What you’re describing is an exempt event, or MTE. You can only play one a year. Most mid majors either want to get a check from their MTE (like when we played Duke and Wisconsin a couple years ago) or they want to go to a destination (we’re going to Orlando, I think Albany’s going to Fort Myers, Bona went to Charleston last year, Buffalo went to Cancun recently). There’s also money involved in these things. This event wouldn’t have any value from a TV standpoint, so no event company that runs these things is going to get involved. Are there creative things worth pitching? Maybe. Could do an Albany vs Buffalo yearly doubleheader, Siena plays UB and Albany plays Canisius or something. But then you’re giving away a home game in your ticket package when you could probably just play home and home. I am all for trying to get solid home games on the schedule. Delaware was a good home and home. Hard to argue with Harvard or Yale. Hofstra back on the schedule would be good. We get Bona home and home, that works. Colgate has been good. Bucknell and Holy Cross are fine games. But there are lots of moving parts that come with scheduling in 2022 and sometimes those mean fewer home games. If playing one less home game means our players get 10 days in Italy (and 10 extra practices) I will make that trade every day. Sure it would be nice if it was an exempt event but that isn't what I am talking about. I'm talking about a round robin event that would count as the normal three games on the schedule. I think you could find pretty solid teams willing to take one trip and play three games in three days in exchange for two home games the following season. Teams would still be able to play in a normal exempt event. I think the appeal to the season ticket holder of seeing 6 basketball games over 3 days is much higher than seeing a home and home with any of the individual teams even if it means being displaced from your normal seats for that event. Or you just remove the event from season tickets and the season ticket package would essentially be the MAAC games plus one or two non-conference games (which is where we already are). Ok… so if it’s not an MTE, you’re accounting for over half your non con schedule those years in two events played away from home, so unless you perfectly sync up your other home and homes youre going to have a super unbalanced schedule. I think a one day event would be more realistic, but even that comes with hurdles.
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Post by $cott on May 26, 2022 13:23:03 GMT -5
Sure it would be nice if it was an exempt event but that isn't what I am talking about. I'm talking about a round robin event that would count as the normal three games on the schedule. I think you could find pretty solid teams willing to take one trip and play three games in three days in exchange for two home games the following season. Teams would still be able to play in a normal exempt event. I think the appeal to the season ticket holder of seeing 6 basketball games over 3 days is much higher than seeing a home and home with any of the individual teams even if it means being displaced from your normal seats for that event. Or you just remove the event from season tickets and the season ticket package would essentially be the MAAC games plus one or two non-conference games (which is where we already are). Ok… so if it’s not an MTE, you’re accounting for over half your non con schedule those years in two events played away from home, so unless you perfectly sync up your other home and homes youre going to have a super unbalanced schedule. I think a one day event would be more realistic, but even that comes with hurdles. It would need to be every year to make it work. So 20 MAAC games MVP Event game vs Albany MVP Event game vs TBD MVP Event game vs TBD Road Return game for MVP event Road Return game for MVP event Home half of home and home series Road half of home and home series Then either: MTE OR Home half of home and home series Road half of home and home series
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Post by $cott on May 26, 2022 14:25:39 GMT -5
Ok… so if it’s not an MTE, you’re accounting for over half your non con schedule those years in two events played away from home, so unless you perfectly sync up your other home and homes youre going to have a super unbalanced schedule. I think a one day event would be more realistic, but even that comes with hurdles. It would need to be every year to make it work. So 20 MAAC games MVP Event game vs Albany MVP Event game vs TBD MVP Event game vs TBD Road Return game for MVP event Road Return game for MVP event Home half of home and home series Road half of home and home series Then either: MTE OR Home half of home and home series Road half of home and home series Alternatively you could make it a two day event with Siena and Albany each playing a road game as part of the event: 20 MAAC games MVP Event game vs Albany MVP Event game vs Team 1 MVP Event game at Team 2 Home half of home and home series Road half of home and home series Home half of home and home series Road half of home and home series Then either: MTE OR Home half of home and home series Road half of home and home series
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Post by IndianSaint on May 26, 2022 19:49:28 GMT -5
Maybe, just MAYBE he didn’t do it for recruiting advantages. Maybe…..just MAYBE he did it because he sees first hand how the young men that he mentors day and and day out suffer on a daily basis because of the racial injustices that persist in our country due to the ignorance of individuals like the person that posted this??? 🤔 If this is directed at me, this is my response. If Carm embraced BLM, as these coaches suggested, to enhance Black recruitment, then his motive was less than honorable. If he did it because he was a true believer, he was bamboozled as recent history has shown in street violence and fraud. Note, even Amazon has suspended BLM fundraising from Amazon Smile for failure to provide accountings of how the money raised is spent. My opinion, Siena should not be publicly supporting a discredited organization that is using social justice to enrich itself. Carm embraced it because his Players embraced/wanted it. Carm supports his players’ decisions. He wasn’t doing it for ulterior motives.
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Post by notomo on May 27, 2022 9:21:22 GMT -5
If this is directed at me, this is my response. If Carm embraced BLM, as these coaches suggested, to enhance Black recruitment, then his motive was less than honorable. If he did it because he was a true believer, he was bamboozled as recent history has shown in street violence and fraud. Note, even Amazon has suspended BLM fundraising from Amazon Smile for failure to provide accountings of how the money raised is spent. My opinion, Siena should not be publicly supporting a discredited organization that is using social justice to enrich itself. Carm embraced it because his Players embraced/wanted it. Carm supports his players’ decisions. He wasn’t doing it for ulterior motives. And you know this how? Let's say it was the reason. It still was a wrong one given what we now know about this radical organization.It should be reconsidered.
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Post by class94 on May 27, 2022 10:24:48 GMT -5
Carm embraced it because his Players embraced/wanted it. Carm supports his players’ decisions. He wasn’t doing it for ulterior motives. And you know this how? Let's say it was the reason. It still was a wrong one given what we now know about this radical organization.It should be reconsidered. I really hope this board has not devolved to the point where outrageous conspiracy theories, with no real evidence to support them, are tolerated.
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Post by notomo on May 27, 2022 12:19:29 GMT -5
Since when does having a pov opposite of yours constitute having outrageous conspiracy theories?
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Post by class94 on May 27, 2022 12:28:37 GMT -5
Since when does having a pov opposite of yours constitute having outrageous conspiracy theories? It doesn’t. You are entitled to your views and if in your view, vanilla ice cream is better than chocolate, I’ll disagree but respect your view. But if you’re view is that slavery should still exist, I would say that is an outrageous view that should NOT be respected. Now for clarification, I’m not accusing you waning to bring back slavery….just using that as an example. I think your view on this subject, is just as misguided and misinformed as the example I gave so yes, I think it’s outrageous and based in conspiracy theories, for which I have zero respect or tolerance. Again, you have different opinions than I on ice cream flavor or basketball recruits, we’re all good. But when your view marginalizes other humans….that’s where I draw the line. Good day.
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Post by saints15 on May 27, 2022 14:57:12 GMT -5
And you know this how? Let's say it was the reason. It still was a wrong one given what we now know about this radical organization.It should be reconsidered. I really hope this board has not devolved to the point where outrageous conspiracy theories, with no real evidence to support them, are tolerated. 94, what ‘outrageous conspiracy theories’ are you talking about? That BLM might not have been the most above board charity and that many of the leaders were using the donations to enrich themselves and friends/family members? If so, I wouldn’t call these claims ‘outrageous conspiracy theories.’ It is a fact that one of the leaders bought a $6M mansion that was used for 2 personal events. It is a fact that $800k plus was paid out to a family member for security services who has no background or experience in security. It is a fact that the state of CA is investigating them because they have not filed the required paperwork and their bookkeeping for 2020 and 2021. That major companies, like Amazon, have suspended corporate contributions because of these questionable actions. And several inner city organizations that support black lives initiative’s have complained that they have made requests to BLM for financial support and can’t even get a return phone call. Is this the outrageous conspiracy theory you are talking about? I’m not saying the entire organization is corrupt but don’t think it’s outrageous to question some of its leaders and how the organization has handled the 10’s of millions in $’s they have received.
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