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Post by SIENA1971 on Jul 18, 2020 10:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by MTS on Jul 18, 2020 13:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by $cott on Jul 18, 2020 13:32:13 GMT -5
I think he's right regarding timing, pushing it back makes no sense. Honestly the best move at this point might just be to get all the MAAC teams together at a neutral site for a month on break. Play 3 games a week for 3 weeks and then the final game the next Monday. Start the tournament that weekend. Would only net you 11 to 13 games but might be better than the alternative. If all the conferences did this then January to March could be open scheduling with regional schools outside your conference.
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Post by saints15 on Jul 18, 2020 13:47:58 GMT -5
I agree and think it’s a good idea. His logic about it being the safest time for athletes makes the MAAC decision to not allow on campus workouts in August look stupid. Teams being together, with no other students around, and protocols for safety in place, probably makes campus safer than them being at home and on their own.
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Post by OneIndian on Jul 18, 2020 19:16:06 GMT -5
I know there’s a lot of money at stake with NCAA football & hoops BUT I just don’t see a scenario where college sports are happening especially if it’s announced that the start of football season is getting pushed back or worse canceled. If that happens I doubt we play a basketball game this season.
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Post by saints22 on Jul 18, 2020 19:25:57 GMT -5
I think he's right regarding timing, pushing it back makes no sense. Honestly the best move at this point might just be to get all the MAAC teams together at a neutral site for a month on break. Play 3 games a week for 3 weeks and then the final game the next Monday. Start the tournament that weekend. Would only net you 11 to 13 games but might be better than the alternative. If all the conferences did this then January to March could be open scheduling with regional schools outside your conference. So each school would pay to house/feed upwards of twenty people for a month at a neutral site? Seems like a pretty expensive proposition. Siena is already looking at taking a significant financial hit if fans aren't allowed at basketball games, or even if only a certain number can get in per game. Plus the Athletics Department is losing a good chunk of money that it counts on every year because it has had to cancel several prominent fund-raising activities. They're looking for ways to recoup as much of that money as possible through other means, but no guarantee that can be done. They're starting the school year at a financial disadvantage, so I don't know how they could afford your neutral site suggestion.
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Post by saints22 on Jul 18, 2020 19:34:09 GMT -5
I agree and think it’s a good idea. His logic about it being the safest time for athletes makes the MAAC decision to not allow on campus workouts in August look stupid. Teams being together, with no other students around, and protocols for safety in place, probably makes campus safer than them being at home and on their own. I don't agree. How can you call the decision "stupid" when the intent is to keep everyone who would be involved in on-campus workouts as safe as possible. Seems prudent to me. If you're going to err, do it on the side of caution. I get that it's hard to accept because we all want the basketball season to take place, and want all the usual preparatory steps in place, but that just may not be possible. At this point, no one is sure about what is going to happen today, tomorrow or in the weeks and months to come. I think the MAAC presidents did the only thing they reasonably could...........bought some more time to see what develops in the short-term, and make more decisions based on data that is not available right now.
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Post by siena2003 on Jul 18, 2020 21:22:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 5:19:09 GMT -5
I certainly hope there is an effective vaccine (not a pre-election "look what I did" promise) available late year or early next. Once one is deemed effective and approved (by medical professionals, not Dr Donnie) for distribution we will then face the next cluster-F as I would bet my house that this Administration has not taken one action to determine/plan how or to whom it will be made available. We couldn't distribute cotton swabs so I have zero confidence we will be able to distribute vaccines and syringes to thousands and thousands of distribution sites in a reasonable time frame.
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Post by glen on Jul 19, 2020 5:49:07 GMT -5
I don't think there will be a vaccine in the near future. I could be wrong but I'm not holding my breath. This thing is in the wild. It isn't going away.
The problem now is there's no consistent data and too many people have an agenda. Over/under-reporting of infections. same for deaths. ICU numbers are being skewed...or maybe they're not. It's hard to tell.
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Post by saints15 on Jul 19, 2020 10:30:29 GMT -5
I agree and think it’s a good idea. His logic about it being the safest time for athletes makes the MAAC decision to not allow on campus workouts in August look stupid. Teams being together, with no other students around, and protocols for safety in place, probably makes campus safer than them being at home and on their own. I don't agree. How can you call the decision "stupid" when the intent is to keep everyone who would be involved in on-campus workouts as safe as possible. Seems prudent to me. If you're going to err, do it on the side of caution. I get that it's hard to accept because we all want the basketball season to take place, and want all the usual preparatory steps in place, but that just may not be possible. At this point, no one is sure about what is going to happen today, tomorrow or in the weeks and months to come. I think the MAAC presidents did the only thing they reasonably could...........bought some more time to see what develops in the short-term, and make more decisions based on data that is not available right now. Willard’s idea was to play a conf only schedule from Thanksgiving break through Christmas break in January (most schools are combining the two) when there are no students on campus. This also keeps the kids safer since they are in a controlled environment rather than them being home where they are probably more likely to be out among others who are infected. So in that same vein it would be safer to have kids on campus in August working out when no other students are around. You also have to like that he called his old boss Pitino’s idea of a conf only schedule starting in Jan (when all students are back after running around with greater exposure risk) stupid! Personally I don’t think we have a season without a vaccine. Just saying out of all the ideas I have seen Willard’s makes the most sense.
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Post by billmurray on Jul 19, 2020 11:14:10 GMT -5
I don't think there will be a vaccine in the near future. I could be wrong but I'm not holding my breath. This thing is in the wild. It isn't going away. The problem now is there's no consistent data and too many people have an agenda. Over/under-reporting of infections. same for deaths. ICU numbers are being skewed...or maybe they're not. It's hard to tell. I agree an effective and proven safe vaccine needs extended testing. Just going with the first,most promising one out of the limited trials is not a good idea. Stressing safety in paramount, but unfortunately not the politically expedient thing to do. I'm sticking with mitigation and social distancing until the safest and most effective vaccine is identified and available. That said I think Willard's idea has merit and some variation of it may be the best option.
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Post by MTS on Jul 19, 2020 12:38:27 GMT -5
I don't agree. How can you call the decision "stupid" when the intent is to keep everyone who would be involved in on-campus workouts as safe as possible. Seems prudent to me. If you're going to err, do it on the side of caution. I get that it's hard to accept because we all want the basketball season to take place, and want all the usual preparatory steps in place, but that just may not be possible. At this point, no one is sure about what is going to happen today, tomorrow or in the weeks and months to come. I think the MAAC presidents did the only thing they reasonably could...........bought some more time to see what develops in the short-term, and make more decisions based on data that is not available right now. Willard’s idea was to play a conf only schedule from Thanksgiving break through Christmas break in January (most schools are combining the two) when there are no students on campus. This also keeps the kids safer since they are in a controlled environment rather than them being home where they are probably more likely to be out among others who are infected. So in that same vein it would be safer to have kids on campus in August working out when no other students are around. You also have to like that he called his old boss Pitino’s idea of a conf only schedule starting in Jan (when all students are back after running around with greater exposure risk) stupid! Personally I don’t think we have a season without a vaccine. Just saying out of all the ideas I have seen Willard’s makes the most sense. Do you know that there has NEVER been a vaccine for a coronavirus? Could there be a first time? Of course hopefully there is. But what if there's not? Remember this is a hobby or "pastime" to us but it's how coaches feed their families. It's how a lot of players will eventually feed their families. They're the ones who voices should be heard.
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Post by billmurray on Jul 19, 2020 15:19:36 GMT -5
MAAC league games are limited to northeast states and sites. If current trends hold, playing games where the virus is somewhat under control could be safe for the players and staff even without a vaccine with proper precautions. From a fan perspective I’ll stick with my position above and watch on TV until a safe and effective vaccine is on the market. Games will probably be played without fans anyway.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jul 19, 2020 20:34:15 GMT -5
Now we would LOVE to believe that we are considerably more advanced BUT... let us all remember the vaccine of the Flu of 1918... paralysis, death, permanent disabilities. You cant rush this stuff... no matter when an election is.
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