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Post by Sienafan on Jun 10, 2020 12:08:00 GMT -5
I interpreted the comments about Harris as this is the season he's expected to have a sophomore jump and blow up - not that it's guaranteed to happen, but that it is the expectation. It will affect team chemistry suddenly inserting Tate into the mix. He's bound to take away a lot of minutes from various people, and it's a new person to adjust to playing with. Though his already being with the team awhile should help ease that transition. Lastly, it sounds like Carm is as high on Carpenter as you are. He's obviously the jewel of the class. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can live up to the hype. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 12:26:54 GMT -5
I interpreted the comments about Harris as this is the season he's expected to have a sophomore jump and blow up - not that it's guaranteed to happen, but that it is the expectation. It will affect team chemistry suddenly inserting Tate into the mix. He's bound to take away a lot of minutes from various people, and it's a new person to adjust to playing with. Though his already being with the team awhile should help ease that transition. Lastly, it sounds like Carm is as high on Carpenter as you are. He's obviously the jewel of the class. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can live up to the hype. It's up for interpretation but, to me, this isn't saying 'jump' as much as it's saying he needs to continue to work on things to reach his potential....which we all know. I think it’s a big year for Gary Harris, his sophomore year. With him understanding all the details that matter, because he’s such a tremendous athlete. Just getting him to think the game a little more. And I think he’s doing that. I think he’s working on his ball handling. I love Harris' potential as much as the next guy, but I also see a guy standing next to him who is 6-5 that can ALSO do 360 dunks ...but can also potentially run the PG, shoot threes, and make his FTs in addition to that. If Harris can't keep up with Carpenter, his minutes might fall as opposed rise...at least until Camper graduates. |
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Post by $cott on Jun 10, 2020 13:11:34 GMT -5
I interpreted the comments about Harris as this is the season he's expected to have a sophomore jump and blow up - not that it's guaranteed to happen, but that it is the expectation. It will affect team chemistry suddenly inserting Tate into the mix. He's bound to take away a lot of minutes from various people, and it's a new person to adjust to playing with. Though his already being with the team awhile should help ease that transition. Lastly, it sounds like Carm is as high on Carpenter as you are. He's obviously the jewel of the class. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can live up to the hype. It's up for interpretation but, to me, this isn't saying 'jump' as much as it's saying he needs to continue to work on things to reach his potential....which we all know. I think it’s a big year for Gary Harris, his sophomore year. With him understanding all the details that matter, because he’s such a tremendous athlete. Just getting him to think the game a little more. And I think he’s doing that. I think he’s working on his ball handling. I love Harris' potential as much as the next guy, but I also see a guy standing next to him who is 6-5 that can ALSO do 360 dunks ...but can also potentially run the PG, shoot threes, and make his FTs in addition to that. If Harris can't keep up with Carpenter, his minutes might fall as opposed rise...at least until Camper graduates. Harris just being on the court demands one of the opponents most athletic defenders to be glued to him to prevent the alley-oop which opens things up for everyone else. I expect a big jump this year from Harris. With the size of the guards I don't think it is unrealistic to see a lineup of Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, Harris, and Camper for stretches. Talk about a lineup ready to get going in transition. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 13:34:13 GMT -5
It's up for interpretation but, to me, this isn't saying 'jump' as much as it's saying he needs to continue to work on things to reach his potential....which we all know. I think it’s a big year for Gary Harris, his sophomore year. With him understanding all the details that matter, because he’s such a tremendous athlete. Just getting him to think the game a little more. And I think he’s doing that. I think he’s working on his ball handling. I love Harris' potential as much as the next guy, but I also see a guy standing next to him who is 6-5 that can ALSO do 360 dunks ...but can also potentially run the PG, shoot threes, and make his FTs in addition to that. If Harris can't keep up with Carpenter, his minutes might fall as opposed rise...at least until Camper graduates. Harris just being on the court demands one of the opponents most athletic defenders to be glued to him to prevent the alley-oop which opens things up for everyone else. I expect a big jump this year from Harris. With the size of the guards I don't think it is unrealistic to see a lineup of Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, Harris, and Camper for stretches. Talk about a lineup ready to get going in transition. You might see that earlier in the year some. Harris, to me, could be the next Camper if he wanted to...only better on defense. However, I think once people see Carpenter doing Pickett like things but then also dunking in traffic in the halfcourt...the yearning for Harris' athleticism won't be as dramatic...especially with Tate, Golson, Curry, and BK joining the mix as well. These are all guys with size who can drive and dunk. Even without Harris, there will be abundant dunks on this team. At some point, PT will come down to skills and polish. Carpenter, to me, is simply likely a more polished guard than either Harris or Tate. Most of this team can catch an alley-oop. It doesn't have to be Harris. Aidan Carpenter may very well end up being an AJ English-esque player. In 20 years, people may very well look back at their time together and think of Pickett/Carpenter in a similar fashion as that of the time Brown/Bennerman were on the same team together. That's how much potential he has. Harris' dunks are flashy and fun, but at the end of the day....you play your best all around players. Don't worry about the dunks this year. This year is probably going to set Siena records for dunks. There has probably never been a Siena roster with this much ability to create their own dunks off the bounce. Who in the rotation won't do that much? Basically just Young, King, and Pickett...and 2 of those will still have some dunks. The rest are taller athletes. |
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Post by $cott on Jun 10, 2020 13:51:16 GMT -5
Harris just being on the court demands one of the opponents most athletic defenders to be glued to him to prevent the alley-oop which opens things up for everyone else. I expect a big jump this year from Harris. With the size of the guards I don't think it is unrealistic to see a lineup of Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, Harris, and Camper for stretches. Talk about a lineup ready to get going in transition. You might see that earlier in the year some. Harris, to me, could be the next Camper if he wanted to...only better on defense. However, I think once people see Carpenter doing Pickett like things but then also dunking in traffic in the halfcourt...the yearning for Harris' athleticism won't be as dramatic...especially with Tate, Golson, Curry, and BK joining the mix as well. These are all guys with size who can drive and dunk. Even without Harris, there will be abundant dunks on this team. At some point, PT will come down to skills and polish. Carpenter, to me, is simply likely a more polished guard than either Harris or Tate. Most of this team can catch an alley-oop. It doesn't have to be Harris. Aidan Carpenter may very well end up being an AJ English-esque player. In 20 years, people may very well look back at their time together and think of Pickett/Carpenter in a similar fashion as that of the time Brown/Bennerman were on the same team together. That's how much potential he has. Harris' dunks are flashy and fun, but at the end of the day....you play your best all around players. Don't worry about the dunks this year. This year is probably going to set Siena records for dunks. There has probably never been a Siena roster with this much ability to create their own dunks off the bounce. Who in the rotation won't do that much? Basically just Young, King, and Pickett...and 2 of those will still have some dunks. The rest are taller athletes. I hope he proves me wrong and shoots his eyeballs out but I see King as the odd man out this year, Harris and Carpenter are both going to get their minutes so that has to come at the expense of either King or Carey and right now Carey offers far more. Our size is going to be an overwhelming advantage in every lineup that doesn't include King. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 14:00:14 GMT -5
You might see that earlier in the year some. Harris, to me, could be the next Camper if he wanted to...only better on defense. However, I think once people see Carpenter doing Pickett like things but then also dunking in traffic in the halfcourt...the yearning for Harris' athleticism won't be as dramatic...especially with Tate, Golson, Curry, and BK joining the mix as well. These are all guys with size who can drive and dunk. Even without Harris, there will be abundant dunks on this team. At some point, PT will come down to skills and polish. Carpenter, to me, is simply likely a more polished guard than either Harris or Tate. Most of this team can catch an alley-oop. It doesn't have to be Harris. Aidan Carpenter may very well end up being an AJ English-esque player. In 20 years, people may very well look back at their time together and think of Pickett/Carpenter in a similar fashion as that of the time Brown/Bennerman were on the same team together. That's how much potential he has. Harris' dunks are flashy and fun, but at the end of the day....you play your best all around players. Don't worry about the dunks this year. This year is probably going to set Siena records for dunks. There has probably never been a Siena roster with this much ability to create their own dunks off the bounce. Who in the rotation won't do that much? Basically just Young, King, and Pickett...and 2 of those will still have some dunks. The rest are taller athletes. I hope he proves me wrong and shoots his eyeballs out but I see King as the odd man out this year, Harris and Carpenter are both going to get their minutes so that has to come at the expense of either King or Carey and right now Carey offers far more. Our size is going to be an overwhelming advantage in every lineup that doesn't include King. King was ahead of Harris already down the stretch. Carm took Harris out in tight end game situations already. King can shoot the lights out from deep....and is more sure handed with the ball. The Tay Fisher role is an easy one to have at Siena. We know this. This year I feel like Harris will transition into a bit of a more defensively focused role. I think he'll still grow on offense but he may very well not even be one of our top 6 scorers this year. We may need Harris' defensive impact potential if/when we do need him the most. If we need defense over offense...then Harris beats out King. This may very well happen. Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, Camper, King, and whomever plays center are our best all-around offensive options. Whether it's Tate, Young, Golson, Curry, or BK...who knows. We won't really need Harris offensively. He was a ghost in the half court anyway. Harris might actually be one of Siena's worst offensive players right now...at least for their position. He's also literally the only guy out of Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, King, Tate, and Camper who you think might not have it in him to have more assists than turnovers next year. I know it's crazy to think about since Harris has so much talent but he really is the least polished guard Siena has. |
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Post by $cott on Jun 10, 2020 14:16:19 GMT -5
I hope he proves me wrong and shoots his eyeballs out but I see King as the odd man out this year, Harris and Carpenter are both going to get their minutes so that has to come at the expense of either King or Carey and right now Carey offers far more. Our size is going to be an overwhelming advantage in every lineup that doesn't include King. King was ahead of Harris already down the stretch. Carm took Harris out in tight end game situations already. King can shoot the lights out from deep....and is more sure handed with the ball. The Tay Fisher role is an easy one to have at Siena. We know this. This year I feel like Harris will transition into a bit of a more defensively focused role. I think he'll still grow on offense but he may very well not even be one of our top 6 scorers this year. We may need Harris' defensive impact potential if/when we do need him the most. If we need defense over offense...then Harris beats out King. This may very well happen. Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, Camper, King, and whomever plays center are our best all-around offensive options. Whether it's Tate, Young, Golson, Curry, or BK...who knows. We won't really need Harris offensively. He was a ghost in the half court anyway. Harris might actually be one of Siena's worst offensive players right now...at least for their position. He's also literally the only guy out of Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, King, Tate, and Camper who you think might not have it in him to have more assists than turnovers next year. Harris is the only guy on the team with NBA athleticism, you can delve into the numbers all you want but in the end the coach is going to give every opportunity to teach the guy that has the one thing you can't teach. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 14:24:56 GMT -5
King was ahead of Harris already down the stretch. Carm took Harris out in tight end game situations already. King can shoot the lights out from deep....and is more sure handed with the ball. The Tay Fisher role is an easy one to have at Siena. We know this. This year I feel like Harris will transition into a bit of a more defensively focused role. I think he'll still grow on offense but he may very well not even be one of our top 6 scorers this year. We may need Harris' defensive impact potential if/when we do need him the most. If we need defense over offense...then Harris beats out King. This may very well happen. Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, Camper, King, and whomever plays center are our best all-around offensive options. Whether it's Tate, Young, Golson, Curry, or BK...who knows. We won't really need Harris offensively. He was a ghost in the half court anyway. Harris might actually be one of Siena's worst offensive players right now...at least for their position. He's also literally the only guy out of Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, King, Tate, and Camper who you think might not have it in him to have more assists than turnovers next year. Harris is the only guy on the team with NBA athleticism, you can delve into the numbers all you want but in the end the coach is going to give every opportunity to teach the guy that has the one thing you can't teach. I feel the same way about Berry JeanLouis of Iona. He's basically a 6-4 Harris. People love athleticism. I get it. If Carm and Harris could somehow harness that in the halfcourt in addition to transition it would be awesome. However, until he can make a FT, handle, pass, and consistently hit the three he's mainly just a defensive guy who leaks out in transition early for the dunk. As the roster's skills rise, he has to keep up. What about Golson? That kid is super athletic too. It's easy to drool at the athleticism....but we already have athleticism...a lot of it. And I also think Carpenter is more athletic than maybe you think he is. |
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Post by $cott on Jun 10, 2020 14:43:07 GMT -5
Harris is the only guy on the team with NBA athleticism, you can delve into the numbers all you want but in the end the coach is going to give every opportunity to teach the guy that has the one thing you can't teach. I feel the same way about Berry JeanLouis of Iona. He's basically a 6-4 Harris. People love athleticism. I get it. If Carm and Harris could somehow harness that in the halfcourt in addition to transition it would be awesome. However, until he can make a FT, handle, pass, and consistently hit the three he's mainly just a defensive guy who leaks out in transition early for the dunk. As the roster's skills rise, he has to keep up. What about Golson? That kid is super athletic too. It's easy to drool at the athleticism....but we already have athleticism...a lot of it. And I also think Carpenter is more athletic than maybe you think he is. I'm almost as high on Carpenter as you are and he could be the second most athletic guy on the team from the start but there is still going to be a huge gap in athleticism between him and Harris. I just think Carpenter's minutes will come at the expense of King and possibly even Carey rather than Harris except of course for end of game situations if Harris doesn't improve his free throw shooting. That one road game that Harris got the rebound, threw the perfect outlet to (I think) Pickett, and somehow was down on the other end to followup with a dunk if Pickett missed the layup is one of the most unbelievable displays of athleticism that I have seen at any level. To have a guy like that in the MAAC is going to draw the best defender even if he only flashes that ability twice a night. I think next year it will be far more often than that. I'm trying to temper my expectations on Golson until he gets here, but yes, there is a lot to drool at there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 14:48:39 GMT -5
I feel the same way about Berry JeanLouis of Iona. He's basically a 6-4 Harris. People love athleticism. I get it. If Carm and Harris could somehow harness that in the halfcourt in addition to transition it would be awesome. However, until he can make a FT, handle, pass, and consistently hit the three he's mainly just a defensive guy who leaks out in transition early for the dunk. As the roster's skills rise, he has to keep up. What about Golson? That kid is super athletic too. It's easy to drool at the athleticism....but we already have athleticism...a lot of it. And I also think Carpenter is more athletic than maybe you think he is. I'm almost as high on Carpenter as you are and he could be the second most athletic guy on the team from the start but there is still going to be a huge gap in athleticism between him and Harris. I just think Carpenter's minutes will come at the expense of King and possibly even Carey rather than Harris except of course for end of game situations if Harris doesn't improve his free throw shooting. That one road game that Harris got the rebound, threw the perfect outlet to (I think) Pickett, and somehow was down on the other end to followup with a dunk if Pickett missed the layup is one of the most unbelievable displays of athleticism that I have seen at any level. To have a guy like that in the MAAC is going to draw the best defender even if he only flashes that ability twice a night. I think next year it will be far more often than that. I'm trying to temper my expectations on Golson until he gets here, but yes, there is a lot to drool at there. You don't really have to guard Harris in the half court. He's not drawing the best defender. Far from it. Carey is too dangerous offensively to bench for the alternatives. He also has upside above what he showed last year if he passes and defends a bit better like he has in spurts in the past. King had the same TS% as Manny Camper in MAAC play. He keeps shooting like that, he plays. If he doesn't, he doesn't. |
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Post by $cott on Jun 10, 2020 15:39:01 GMT -5
I'm almost as high on Carpenter as you are and he could be the second most athletic guy on the team from the start but there is still going to be a huge gap in athleticism between him and Harris. I just think Carpenter's minutes will come at the expense of King and possibly even Carey rather than Harris except of course for end of game situations if Harris doesn't improve his free throw shooting. That one road game that Harris got the rebound, threw the perfect outlet to (I think) Pickett, and somehow was down on the other end to followup with a dunk if Pickett missed the layup is one of the most unbelievable displays of athleticism that I have seen at any level. To have a guy like that in the MAAC is going to draw the best defender even if he only flashes that ability twice a night. I think next year it will be far more often than that. I'm trying to temper my expectations on Golson until he gets here, but yes, there is a lot to drool at there. You don't really have to guard Harris in the half court. He's not drawing the best defender. Far from it. Carey is too dangerous offensively to bench for the alternatives. He also has upside above what he showed last year if he passes and defends a bit better like he has in spurts in the past. King had the same TS% as Manny Camper in MAAC play. He keeps shooting like that, he plays. If he doesn't, he doesn't. King can shoot, that is it, you can glue a 4'11" guy to him or even Matt Hein with the same results as your best defender. You put an unathletic guy on Harris in man to man and he will make you pay. Matt Hein or Evan Hymes trying to guard Harris man to man would be a dunkfest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 15:48:38 GMT -5
You don't really have to guard Harris in the half court. He's not drawing the best defender. Far from it. Carey is too dangerous offensively to bench for the alternatives. He also has upside above what he showed last year if he passes and defends a bit better like he has in spurts in the past. King had the same TS% as Manny Camper in MAAC play. He keeps shooting like that, he plays. If he doesn't, he doesn't. King can shoot, that is it, you can glue a 4'11" guy to him or even Matt Hein with the same results as your best defender. You put an unathletic guy on Harris in man to man and he will make you pay. Matt Hein or Evan Hymes trying to guard Harris man to man would be a dunkfest. If Harris gets by you it's for a 2...and if he's going by you just foul him...and it's likely only a 1. Plus, he's mostly a straight line driver without much adaptability in his game...so he's also more susceptible to charges. People don't worry about that all that much. He needs a wide open lane most of the time right now. If he could shoot 70% from the FT line...then it'd be a different story altogether. Right now though, it's not. On this team, he's probably the guy teams are thinking about doubling the least. Plus, teams can put their worst defender on him and tell them to play well off him and dare him to shoot the three. They don't have to play him tight. They don't even have to worry too much about him creating for others. |
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Post by skipc on Jun 10, 2020 15:55:47 GMT -5
You don't really have to guard Harris in the half court. He's not drawing the best defender. Far from it. Carey is too dangerous offensively to bench for the alternatives. He also has upside above what he showed last year if he passes and defends a bit better like he has in spurts in the past. King had the same TS% as Manny Camper in MAAC play. He keeps shooting like that, he plays. If he doesn't, he doesn't. King can shoot, that is it, you can glue a 4'11" guy to him or even Matt Hein with the same results as your best defender. You put an unathletic guy on Harris in man to man and he will make you pay. Matt Hein or Evan Hymes trying to guard Harris man to man would be a dunkfest. Harris’ athleticism would be much more dangerous if he learns how to beat his defender off the dribble and finish at the rim, improve his jump shot, get stronger and make better decisions with the ball. I think he has all the physical tools to be that guy, we will see if he put in the work in the off season to elevate his game this season. He certainly was a pleasure to watch in the air- on both ends of the court. |
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Post by Tony on Jun 10, 2020 16:10:47 GMT -5
Going to be fun this year to see how it all works out-- Carm will have many options ( or better yet bullets in the chamber) I always remember something Fran used to say all the time-- if you can play I'll find time for you. Carm is going to have his hands full keeping everyone happy- I expect to see faster pace and more pressing next year - team is deep and extremely talented, going to be a fun year!!
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