All-decade team

[dacks]

With all this talk about ranking top siena players, I'm surprised no one has talked about the fan voted all-decade team yet!

http://instagram.com/p/CBD5uwspRo-

I love Ryan Rossiter's comment. That's a lot of talent for one number!

[hoopjunkie]

Bisping belongs on there....

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Jun 8, 2020 14:11:06 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

Bisping belongs on there....

If I wanted to win, I'd take Bisping well before Anosike.

Anosike was a great rebounder and low post guy but Bisping did way more things to help the team win.

Bisping had the higher TS% and PPS as well....even a higher 2pt FG%.  OD cleaned up a lot of his own misses.

[Papi]

I'd take JO before OD.

[rizman]

I think after next season Manny will be ahead of Clarence.

[$cott]

Jun 9, 2020 7:03:26 GMT -5 rizman said:

I think after next season Manny will be ahead of Clarence.

He already is, as are Bisping, Ogunyemi, Long, and probably Poole but people remember the Fran days so fondly. Nico and Burns were certainly better players as well although I assume they wanted to base it on career accomplishments in which case Clarence certainly deserves it over them. Clarence finished his career with less assists per game than OD or JO, and almost identical to Price Oduro (0.76 to 0.74), yikes.

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Jun 9, 2020 9:22:34 GMT -5 $cott said:

Jun 9, 2020 7:03:26 GMT -5 rizman said:

I think after next season Manny will be ahead of Clarence.

He already is, as are Bisping, Ogunyemi, Long, and probably Poole but people remember the Fran days so fondly. Nico and Burns were certainly better players as well although I assume they wanted to base it on career accomplishments in which case Clarence certainly deserves it over them. Clarence finished his career with less assists per game than OD or JO, and almost identical to Price Oduro (0.76 to 0.74), yikes.

Of the SGs, CJ was a 35% career 3pt shooter...as was Poole.  Poole at least rebounded as well.  CJ didn't.

Nico had the best physical potential of all of them but never fulfilled the potential.  

In my opinion, Wright, Bisping, and Ogunyemi were three greats.  Ogunyemi and Bisping made for a great combination.  People forget just how much Siena was dominating rebounding margin during that time.  Bisping drawing charges like a fiend and JO blocking shots.  Plus, both fairly versatile offensively.  In a better offensive scheme, they might have been even better.

Long was very good as well and helped the rebounding margin during that era but he's so difficult to place as a player because he does a little of everything but he's not particular great at anything.  The fact that he's so tough to place position wise actually goes against him when building a team.  You'd probably want him ideally as a 6th man or something.  He just shouldn't be defending SF's regularly and isn't a great enough perimeter threat to justify him there in the modern era.  It's not that he does anything bad, it's just that he causes the floor to contract and gives up speed.  He ideally should have played the 4 in this league like Camper does now....but we had Bisping and JO...and PPC wouldn't have it.

[$cott]

Jun 9, 2020 9:40:40 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Jun 9, 2020 9:22:34 GMT -5 $cott said:

He already is, as are Bisping, Ogunyemi, Long, and probably Poole but people remember the Fran days so fondly. Nico and Burns were certainly better players as well although I assume they wanted to base it on career accomplishments in which case Clarence certainly deserves it over them. Clarence finished his career with less assists per game than OD or JO, and almost identical to Price Oduro (0.76 to 0.74), yikes.

Of the SGs, CJ was a 35% career 3pt shooter...as was Poole.  Poole at least rebounded as well.  CJ didn't.

Nico had the best physical potential of all of them but never fulfilled the potential.  

In my opinion, Wright, Bisping, and Ogunyemi were three greats.  Ogunyemi and Bisping made for a great combination.  People forget just how much Siena was dominating rebounding margin during that time.  Bisping drawing charges like a fiend and JO blocking shots.  Plus, both fairly versatile offensively.  In a better offensive scheme, they might have been even better.

Long was very good as well and helped the rebounding margin during that era but he's so difficult to place as a player because he does a little of everything but he's not particular great at anything.  The fact that he's so tough to place position wise actually goes against him when building a team.  You'd probably want him ideally as a 6th man or something.  He just shouldn't be defending SF's regularly and isn't a great enough perimeter threat to justify him there in the modern era.  It's not that he does anything bad, it's just that he causes the floor to contract and gives up speed.  He ideally should have played the 4 in this league like Camper does now....but we had Bisping and JO...and PPC wouldn't have it.

For all of Long's deficiencies the list of Saints to finish a career of 100 games+ averaging 10-5-2 is Lavon Long, Marcus Faison, Antoine Jordan, and Jeff Robinson. Not bad company. McClinton and Kojo both did it in their limited time at Siena.

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Jun 9, 2020 10:02:15 GMT -5 $cott said:

Jun 9, 2020 9:40:40 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Of the SGs, CJ was a 35% career 3pt shooter...as was Poole.  Poole at least rebounded as well.  CJ didn't.

Nico had the best physical potential of all of them but never fulfilled the potential.  

In my opinion, Wright, Bisping, and Ogunyemi were three greats.  Ogunyemi and Bisping made for a great combination.  People forget just how much Siena was dominating rebounding margin during that time.  Bisping drawing charges like a fiend and JO blocking shots.  Plus, both fairly versatile offensively.  In a better offensive scheme, they might have been even better.

Long was very good as well and helped the rebounding margin during that era but he's so difficult to place as a player because he does a little of everything but he's not particular great at anything.  The fact that he's so tough to place position wise actually goes against him when building a team.  You'd probably want him ideally as a 6th man or something.  He just shouldn't be defending SF's regularly and isn't a great enough perimeter threat to justify him there in the modern era.  It's not that he does anything bad, it's just that he causes the floor to contract and gives up speed.  He ideally should have played the 4 in this league like Camper does now....but we had Bisping and JO...and PPC wouldn't have it.

For all of Long's deficiencies the list of Saints to finish a career of 100 games+ averaging 10-5-2 is Lavon Long, Marcus Faison, Antoine Jordan, and Jeff Robinson. Not bad company. McClinton and Kojo both did it in their limited time at Siena.

Long was also an efficient scorer because he focused on 2's and fouls.  It's just the fact that he's not ideal for the SF that hurts him.  I just hope to hell PPC doesn't come back, read this, and start shit all over again.  If Long had played at the PF during Fran's or Carm's coaching era, he very well probably would have been a 1st team guy just like Camper is now.

He needed to play the Franklin role like Camper is now.  That's what we wanted from him.  He might even have done it better than Camper.

What Jimmy SHOULD have done was recruit more quality wings, and move Lavon to 6th man playing 15 mpg at PF and 15 mpg at SF.  However, Jimmy failed repeatedly at SG.  Clareth was good but volatile and, unfortunately, that was Jimmy's only real option cause he took so many years off recruiting and/or misused guys....ie Khalil Richard etc.  Jimmy blew it.

[hoopjunkie]

Jun 9, 2020 10:02:15 GMT -5 $cott said:

Jun 9, 2020 9:40:40 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Of the SGs, CJ was a 35% career 3pt shooter...as was Poole.  Poole at least rebounded as well.  CJ didn't.

Nico had the best physical potential of all of them but never fulfilled the potential.  

In my opinion, Wright, Bisping, and Ogunyemi were three greats.  Ogunyemi and Bisping made for a great combination.  People forget just how much Siena was dominating rebounding margin during that time.  Bisping drawing charges like a fiend and JO blocking shots.  Plus, both fairly versatile offensively.  In a better offensive scheme, they might have been even better.

Long was very good as well and helped the rebounding margin during that era but he's so difficult to place as a player because he does a little of everything but he's not particular great at anything.  The fact that he's so tough to place position wise actually goes against him when building a team.  You'd probably want him ideally as a 6th man or something.  He just shouldn't be defending SF's regularly and isn't a great enough perimeter threat to justify him there in the modern era.  It's not that he does anything bad, it's just that he causes the floor to contract and gives up speed.  He ideally should have played the 4 in this league like Camper does now....but we had Bisping and JO...and PPC wouldn't have it.

For all of Long's deficiencies the list of Saints to finish a career of 100 games+ averaging 10-5-2 is Lavon Long, Marcus Faison, Antoine Jordan, and Jeff Robinson. Not bad company. McClinton and Kojo both did it in their limited time at Siena.

Terwilliger did it in 86 games.

[$cott]

Jun 9, 2020 19:16:56 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

Jun 9, 2020 10:02:15 GMT -5 $cott said:

For all of Long's deficiencies the list of Saints to finish a career of 100 games+ averaging 10-5-2 is Lavon Long, Marcus Faison, Antoine Jordan, and Jeff Robinson. Not bad company. McClinton and Kojo both did it in their limited time at Siena.

Terwilliger did it in 86 games.

And Rich Furr also in 49 games

[hoopjunkie]

Jun 9, 2020 23:36:40 GMT -5 $cott said:

Jun 9, 2020 19:16:56 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

Terwilliger did it in 86 games.

And Rich Furr also in 49 games

Richie was a great player