Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 8:37:37 GMT -5
I'd break out Siena's center options for this year something like this: Kyle Young 6-9, 239 - Strengths: Best rebounder, best returning defender, highest D1 PPS of bigs with experience. Weaknesses: Not going to shoot many jumpers, have a great A/TO, and not super athletic while rolling to the rim. Not a great FT shooter so far. Bennett Kwiecinksi 6-8 1/2, 210 - Strengths on Paper: Plays like Brett Bisping. Athletic and can handle the ball in the open court, rumored to be a solid shooter, played on a defensive minded team in a no-shot clock HS league. Seemed to block a fair amount of shots. Looks skilled with pivots, spins, hops, and step thrus in the lane. Weaknesses, Known: Frosh. Very, very thin. Don't have any idea if any of his supposed strengths will be reality. Dana Tate 6-7, 230 - Strengths: Positive A/TO, good in 2pt range, average rebounder. but experience in A-10. Athletic and can handle for his size and has very good roll man potential. Weaknesses: Defense is marginal and unproven at center. Big question on PPS and scoring efficiency. Hasn't drawn nearly enough fouls. Not a good jumper shooter outside of mid range. FT shooting has a bit of question to it though he was 75% ish in AAU. Colin Golson 6-6, 230 - Strengths: Very athletic and active. Seems like a very good rebounder. Very strong and seems like a good finisher inside. Handles pretty well off the bounce. Could be a very good roll man. Has the athleticism to defend. Weaknesses: Frosh. We don't know how well he will defend. He's even more undersized. We don't know if he can hit a jumper or FT consistently.... Ball control is unknown even if handle seems ok. Harrison Curry 6-7, 230 - Strengths: Athletic, good finisher at the rim, average rebounder, experienced. Weaknesses:Ball control, shooting, defense, FT shooting. Had poor PPS. Denzel Tchougang 6-10, 218 - Strengths: Size and athleticism combo is great. FT shooting seems ok. Weaknesses: Poor finisher, turnover prone, and completely unproven.
|
|
hoopjunkie
Associate Head Coach
Posts: 12,479
Dislikes:
|
Post by hoopjunkie on May 6, 2020 8:53:22 GMT -5
So guess we replaced old Sammy with a new Sammy who wants to be Steph Curry. Looks like a fine depth guy for next year that could thrive in the Pickett and Roll, still don't get why we didn't just bring Sammy back if he was really interested but oh well, hopefully this works out better. This kid is a much better scorer around the basket than Sammy was.
|
|
|
Post by greengold4ever on May 6, 2020 9:06:46 GMT -5
I'd break out Siena's center options for this year something like this: Kyle Young 6-9, 239 - Strengths: Best rebounder, best returning defender, highest D1 PPS of bigs with experience. Weaknesses: Not going to shoot many jumpers, have a great A/TO, and not super athletic while rolling to the rim. Not a great FT shooter so far. Bennett Kwiecinksi 6-8 1/2, 210 - Strengths on Paper: Plays like Brett Bisping. Athletic and can handle the ball in the open court, rumored to be a solid shooter, played on a defensive minded team in a no-shot clock HS league. Seemed to block a fair amount of shots. Looks skilled with pivots, spins, hops, and step thrus in the lane. Weaknesses, Known: Frosh. Very, very thin. Don't have any idea if any of his supposed strengths will be reality. Dana Tate 6-7, 230 - Strengths: Positive A/TO, good in 2pt range, average rebounder. but experience in A-10. Athletic and can handle for his size and has very good roll man potential. Weaknesses: Defense is marginal and unproven at center. Big question on PPS and scoring efficiency. Hasn't drawn nearly enough fouls. Not a good jumper shooter outside of mid range. FT shooting has a bit of question to it though he was 75% ish in AAU. Colin Golson 6-6, 230 - Strengths: Very athletic and active. Seems like a very good rebounder. Very strong and seems like a good finisher inside. Handles pretty well off the bounce. Could be a very good roll man. Has the athleticism to defend. Weaknesses: Frosh. We don't know how well he will defend. He's even more undersized. We don't know if he can hit a jumper or FT consistently.... Ball control is unknown even if handle seems ok. Harrison Curry 6-7, 230 - Strengths: Athletic, good finisher at the rim, average rebounder, experienced. Weaknesses:Ball control, shooting, defense, FT shooting. Had poor PPS. Denzel Tchougang 6-10, 218 - Strengths: Size and athleticism combo is great. FT shooting seems ok. Weaknesses: Poor finisher, turnover prone, and completely unproven. would like to add an attribute of BK that cannot be overlooked..............just an incredible hoop IQ from what the coaches are saying, he could be a more athletic Bisping with total court awareness...........
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 9:08:49 GMT -5
would like to add an attribute of BK that cannot be overlooked..............just an incredible hoop IQ from what the coaches are saying, he could be a more athletic Bisping with total court awareness........... If BK was 230 like the rest of these guys...I'd be labeling him a sleeper to even potentially start. It's just, he's so thin...and the other guys will be so much stronger right now. He might be skilled and smart enough to overcome that. Who knows. I feel better about BK's overall potential in his sophomore year than I do about the overall potential of anyone else there that we'll have.
|
|
|
Post by greengold4ever on May 6, 2020 9:12:56 GMT -5
would like to add an attribute of BK that cannot be overlooked..............just an incredible hoop IQ from what the coaches are saying, he could be a more athletic Bisping with total court awareness........... If BK was 230 like the rest of these guys...I'd be labeling him a sleeper to even potentially start. It's just, he's so thin...and the other guys will be so much stronger right now. He might be skilled and smart enough to overcome that. yes, just the info from the staff.............and that they have confidence in him whenever he might be on the floor in whatever role, his basketball skills are ahead of the curve compared to some others who may be more physically ready....................
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 9:16:11 GMT -5
If BK was 230 like the rest of these guys...I'd be labeling him a sleeper to even potentially start. It's just, he's so thin...and the other guys will be so much stronger right now. He might be skilled and smart enough to overcome that. yes, just the info from the staff.............and that they have confidence in him whenever he might be on the floor in whatever role, his basketball skills are ahead of the curve compared to some others who may be more physically ready.................... Because of this, I just worry: You don't want to piss off the guy with some of your highest potential by not playing him as a frosh. If he gets up to 220 for the season somehow, you almost have to play him a fair amount of minutes. I mean Denzel is only 218 and he's 6-10. If he's 210 now and gets up to 220 by the start of the season, you just develop your future and hope that by seasons end he starts paying dividends with momentum into his soph year. If it comes January and we don't need him, could also let Tate sit out. Would he not then potentially get 2 full years after that? He wouldn't have to compete with Camper anymore at PF. If these other guys step up, and Carpenter is rolling by then....wouldn't inserting Tate into the rotation later be more of a disruption than a help at that point?
|
|
Quackman
Team Captain
Posts: 2,465
Dislikes:
|
Post by Quackman on May 6, 2020 9:25:37 GMT -5
I'd break out Siena's center options for this year something like this: Kyle Young 6-9, 239 - Strengths: Best rebounder, best returning defender, highest D1 PPS of bigs with experience. Weaknesses: Not going to shoot many jumpers, have a great A/TO, and not super athletic while rolling to the rim. Not a great FT shooter so far. Bennett Kwiecinksi 6-8 1/2, 210 - Strengths on Paper: Plays like Brett Bisping. Athletic and can handle the ball in the open court, rumored to be a solid shooter, played on a defensive minded team in a no-shot clock HS league. Seemed to block a fair amount of shots. Looks skilled with pivots, spins, hops, and step thrus in the lane. Weaknesses, Known: Frosh. Very, very thin. Don't have any idea if any of his supposed strengths will be reality. Dana Tate 6-7, 230 - Strengths: Positive A/TO, good in 2pt range, average rebounder. but experience in A-10. Athletic and can handle for his size and has very good roll man potential. Weaknesses: Defense is marginal and unproven at center. Big question on PPS and scoring efficiency. Hasn't drawn nearly enough fouls. Not a good jumper shooter outside of mid range. FT shooting has a bit of question to it though he was 75% ish in AAU. Colin Golson 6-6, 230 - Strengths: Very athletic and active. Seems like a very good rebounder. Very strong and seems like a good finisher inside. Handles pretty well off the bounce. Could be a very good roll man. Has the athleticism to defend. Weaknesses: Frosh. We don't know how well he will defend. He's even more undersized. We don't know if he can hit a jumper or FT consistently.... Ball control is unknown even if handle seems ok. Harrison Curry 6-7, 230 - Strengths: Athletic, good finisher at the rim, average rebounder, experienced. Weaknesses:Ball control, shooting, defense, FT shooting. Had poor PPS. Denzel Tchougang 6-10, 218 - Strengths: Size and athleticism combo is great. FT shooting seems ok. Weaknesses: Poor finisher, turnover prone, and completely unproven. I do not know the answer to this but ... how much of the new kids shot selection was based on the offense that Mike Davis was running at Detroit? If the offense calls for the big to clear the lane and try to extend the defense by hitting outside shots, then it falls on the coaches more than the player for asking him to take those shots. That said, I believe he was a junior college transfer into Detroit. He now has a year under his belt (plus another as a red shirt). I'd expect the speed of the game to have slowed down for him a bit. Hope his knee holds out, but sounds like a nice addition.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 9:29:35 GMT -5
I do not know the answer to this but ... how much of the new kids shot selection was based on the offense that Mike Davis was running at Detroit? If the offense calls for the big to clear the lane and try to extend the defense by hitting outside shots, then it falls on the coaches more than the player for asking him to take those shots. That said, I believe he was a junior college transfer into Detroit. He now has a year under his belt (plus another as a red shirt). I'd expect the speed of the game to have slowed down for him a bit. Hope his knee holds out, but sounds like a nice addition. Yes, well they clearly loved their 3's. Only Quinny would have attempted more than them if that team were in the MAAC this year. Their PG scored 784 PTS that year. He didn't really do a lot of passing. That's probably why he mentioned 'teamwork' in the interview. Carm just needs to put Curry in the Sammy Friday mindset. Set your pick, roll to the rim. That's it. Then he could be a better 'Sammy' than Sammy even was.
|
|
brian
Junior
Posts: 995
Dislikes:
|
Post by brian on May 6, 2020 10:09:09 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see how well he can shoot. The Detroit #'s obviously aren't good but they are a small sample.
2016-17 JUCO 51-138 (37%) from 3. 2015-16 JUCO 35-111 (32%) from 3.
He's obviously missed a lot of time over the last 3 years so we will see how injury/inactivity plays an impact.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 10:24:14 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see how well he can shoot. The Detroit #'s obviously aren't good but they are a small sample. 2016-17 JUCO 51-138 (37%) from 3. 2015-16 JUCO 35-111 (32%) from 3. He's obviously missed a lot of time over the last 3 years so we will see how injury/inactivity plays an impact. Yeah, but look at his FT shooting at all 3 stops as well. If you can't make your FTs, you aren't a shooter.
|
|
Quackman
Team Captain
Posts: 2,465
Dislikes:
|
Post by Quackman on May 6, 2020 10:25:23 GMT -5
I do not know the answer to this but ... how much of the new kids shot selection was based on the offense that Mike Davis was running at Detroit? If the offense calls for the big to clear the lane and try to extend the defense by hitting outside shots, then it falls on the coaches more than the player for asking him to take those shots. That said, I believe he was a junior college transfer into Detroit. He now has a year under his belt (plus another as a red shirt). I'd expect the speed of the game to have slowed down for him a bit. Hope his knee holds out, but sounds like a nice addition. Yes, well they clearly loved their 3's. Only Quinny would have attempted more than them if that team were in the MAAC this year. Their PG scored 784 PTS that year. He didn't really do a lot of passing. That's probably why he mentioned 'teamwork' in the interview. Carm just needs to put Curry in the Sammy Friday mindset. Set your pick, roll to the rim. That's it. Then he could be a better 'Sammy' than Sammy even was. I am not going to rule out the kid shooting from the outside. They (Detroit) recruited him to fit their system, which means he probably was someone seen to be able hit some shots. If the offense doesn't produce open looks, it makes great shooters look like good shooters and good shooters look inept. That said, I still think Young is the short and long term answer at the 5. This kid provides depth and options. Plus allows Tate to play at his position, and Golson/BK the time needed to develop without being thrown to the wolves.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 10:30:48 GMT -5
Yes, well they clearly loved their 3's. Only Quinny would have attempted more than them if that team were in the MAAC this year. Their PG scored 784 PTS that year. He didn't really do a lot of passing. That's probably why he mentioned 'teamwork' in the interview. Carm just needs to put Curry in the Sammy Friday mindset. Set your pick, roll to the rim. That's it. Then he could be a better 'Sammy' than Sammy even was. I am not going to rule out the kid shooting from the outside. They (Detroit) recruited him to fit their system, which means he probably was someone seen to be able hit some shots. If the offense doesn't produce open looks, it makes great shooters look like good shooters and good shooters look inept. That said, I still think Young is the short and long term answer at the 5. This kid provides depth and options. Plus allows Tate to play at his position, and Golson/BK the time needed to develop without being thrown to the wolves. I really question Tate's impact for this year. I don't care what the coaches' may or may not say now. He's not a shooter, struggles to get to the FT line, and hasn't been an impact defender or impact rebounder. Giving Carpenter an 8-10 game head start may be a death sentence for his back court minutes. And, by then, the center position could be fairly settled as well. Even if Tate would have gotten the 'Matt Hein treatment', Carpenter, Young, Golson, Curry, BK etc can now still effectively knock him out of the rotation before he even plays.
|
|
brian
Junior
Posts: 995
Dislikes:
|
Post by brian on May 6, 2020 10:36:00 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see how well he can shoot. The Detroit #'s obviously aren't good but they are a small sample. 2016-17 JUCO 51-138 (37%) from 3. 2015-16 JUCO 35-111 (32%) from 3. He's obviously missed a lot of time over the last 3 years so we will see how injury/inactivity plays an impact. Yeah, but look at his FT shooting at all 3 stops as well. If you can't make your FTs, you aren't a shooter. 15-16: 40-69 (58%) 16-17: 74-119 (62%) 18-19: 33-49 (67%) Right trajectory.
|
|
$cott
Assistant Coach
Posts: 5,075
Dislikes:
|
Post by $cott on May 6, 2020 10:38:33 GMT -5
Yes, well they clearly loved their 3's. Only Quinny would have attempted more than them if that team were in the MAAC this year. Their PG scored 784 PTS that year. He didn't really do a lot of passing. That's probably why he mentioned 'teamwork' in the interview. Carm just needs to put Curry in the Sammy Friday mindset. Set your pick, roll to the rim. That's it. Then he could be a better 'Sammy' than Sammy even was. I am not going to rule out the kid shooting from the outside. They (Detroit) recruited him to fit their system, which means he probably was someone seen to be able hit some shots. If the offense doesn't produce open looks, it makes great shooters look like good shooters and good shooters look inept. That said, I still think Young is the short and long term answer at the 5. This kid provides depth and options. Plus allows Tate to play at his position, and Golson/BK the time needed to develop without being thrown to the wolves. If the kid shoots 7 for 20 on the season we should be thrilled, will force teams to pay attention to him on the outside which is an added dimension over Sammy. If he's shooting more than that and at a lower percentage then he's not helping.
|
|
OneIndian
Associate Head Coach
Posts: 10,674
Dislikes:
|
Post by OneIndian on May 6, 2020 10:49:36 GMT -5
Solid replacement for Friday. Upside is that he’s more energetic and looks to have good body control around the hoop. His perimeter game is a non-factor for me, that’s not what we need him to be....run the Pickett n roll, make use of your touches/looks and make FT’s.
|
|