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Post by Tony on Mar 22, 2020 4:57:34 GMT -5
So you think a team that starts (2) seniors- 1 5th year, (2) juniors-1 4th year and a sophomore is a young team?? Tate off the bench is in his 4th year of college. Young and King both got important playing time as freshman and should be ready to make the next step. Carpenter went thru the hardest thing about being a freshman, the classes, the lifestyle and learning his college coaches system. He has a HUGE advantage being able to bond with next years teams 6 months ahead of schedule. He's def not a true freshman. He was probably covering Jalen everyday in practice. Aiden will be just fine. Those 9 should be our core anyway. Maybe one of the freshman forwards from Chicago emerge, but we dont really need them to....this year. Experience is the least of our problems. Yes, there will be experience among the starters. Tate may well end up the 5th starter if they don't get another big man - Young is likely another year away from being ready. But everyone coming off the bench will be underclassmen. Romen Penn came to Siena in a similar situation as Carpenter. Penn had a promising first year - but he still played like a freshman. It's hard to gauge what we'll get from Carpenter until he gets on the court. I'm confident he'll be a good one. I just don't know if it'll manifest right away. Tate was a 4 star recruit - that didn't immediately manifest in his college game so far. So a semester of practice doesn't guarantee a highly touted recruit becomes a star. I'm optimistic, but with some caution. Who I'd really like to see make a leap is Harris. Cmon man huge and I mean huge difference - by end of year Roman was best player on team ( after Nico dropped out) Roman had great year for a freshmen and was forced into being the man he was best player on team. Aiden will be 6th or 7th man on the team-- so sorry no comparison I agree we have to see it on the court-- but all indications are Aiden can play- kid is custom fit for Carm's style of play - can shoot and defend and is more athletic than Jalen or Don. And again Aiden is trying to play his way into 1st guard off the bench role As for Kyle-- biggest jump for most MAAC big men is between freshmen and sophomore year-so I disagree he is another year away. Again he has to prove it by putting the work in on the court and the weight room this off season Experience is least of our problems- we do need some depth at Center - hopefully that can be addressed by adding 5th year player
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Post by Papi on Mar 22, 2020 7:59:35 GMT -5
The world is going to change, two weeks ago Siena was on a 10 game winning streak and turning their season around, after 20 games it was what we saw the past 10 years. Now we are stuck in our homes, people losing jobs, businesses going out of business, who knows how Siena or any other small college will survive this.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Mar 22, 2020 8:12:49 GMT -5
The world is going to change, two weeks ago Siena was on a 10 game winning streak and turning their season around, after 20 games it was what we saw the past 10 years. Now we are stuck in our homes, people losing jobs, businesses going out of business, who knows how Siena or any other small college will survive this. Cheerful as always, papi!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 8:53:41 GMT -5
I think Carpenter may also be more talented than Tate for what it’s worth.
Penn was a 5-11 PG. He had to learn to run a team under a shitty ‘feed Prince Patsos offense’. He wasn’t gonna play off the ball and had to feed Prince into killing Siena’s efficiency. It wasn’t Penn’s fault. He’s always been very good.
Carpenter is 6-4 or 6-5. He’s likely basically near another Carey already at least and might be more athletic than him. He doesn’t even have to run the team as a PG to be successful. He also may be better than Carey at getting to the rim and drawing fouls. Carey might have a better jumper right now but I wouldn’t be surprised if Carpenter had a higher FG% and PPS.
King is solid but shorter, struggles with 2s, and not a standout on D. Harris has few skills right now besides elite athleticism. Tate can’t really shoot well outside of midrange and is also a so-so defender.
If Carpenter can defend, he’s probably ahead of all of them because he also has the ball skills on paper to go along with it. And he finishes with both hands..
In my mind, he’s getting at least 25+ mpg by some point next year...with a decent chance for an ROY caliber type year. Maybe, because of Siena’s depth, he can’t average double digits but I think this kid is gonna be pretty good. To me it will come down to his defense. If he’s defending, he might end up as high as one of our 3 best players next year. If his D is just so-so like Carey’s then he’ll be in the top 6.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 8:59:08 GMT -5
Carey is also someone who I think could up his game and take it to another level. He just needs to look off defenders when passing and defend better.
And be a little smarter at the rim while drawing more fouls. Carpenter’s game may end up being like the ideal Carey down the road...but Carey can also do it.
These 2 guys are both capable of having positive A/TO’s, with 40+ steals, and a 1.30 PPS. If they managed to be those guys alongside Pickett and Camper, it won’t matter much what everyone else does. They could win the MAAC with that.
Now getting to a top 100 or better team, then you’ll need more...especially on D and on the interior.
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 22, 2020 9:09:38 GMT -5
Colin is from Detroit not Chicago. Detroit Rock City baby
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 22, 2020 9:45:57 GMT -5
Colin is from Detroit not Chicago. Detroit Rock City baby What side of 8 mile is he on?
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 22, 2020 9:52:58 GMT -5
Colin is from Detroit not Chicago. Detroit Rock City baby What side of 8 mile is he on? I don’t know - I need a Doctor to help me find the answer. Maybe Dre is available
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Post by musicman on Mar 22, 2020 10:02:15 GMT -5
I hope Harris is safely isolated somewhere in a gym shooting 4 hours a day. 😊
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 22, 2020 10:33:13 GMT -5
Yes, there will be experience among the starters. Tate may well end up the 5th starter if they don't get another big man - Young is likely another year away from being ready. But everyone coming off the bench will be underclassmen. Romen Penn came to Siena in a similar situation as Carpenter. Penn had a promising first year - but he still played like a freshman. It's hard to gauge what we'll get from Carpenter until he gets on the court. I'm confident he'll be a good one. I just don't know if it'll manifest right away. Tate was a 4 star recruit - that didn't immediately manifest in his college game so far. So a semester of practice doesn't guarantee a highly touted recruit becomes a star. I'm optimistic, but with some caution. Who I'd really like to see make a leap is Harris. Cmon man huge and I mean huge difference - by end of year Roman was best player on team ( after Nico dropped out) Roman had great year for a freshmen and was forced into being the man he was best player on team. Aiden will be 6th or 7th man on the team-- so sorry no comparison I agree we have to see it on the court-- but all indications are Aiden can play- kid is custom fit for Carm's style of play - can shoot and defend and is more athletic than Jalen or Don. And again Aiden is trying to play his way into 1st guard off the bench role As for Kyle-- biggest jump for most MAAC big men is between freshmen and sophomore year-so I disagree he is another year away. Again he has to prove it by putting the work in on the court and the weight room this off season Experience is least of our problems- we do need some depth at Center - hopefully that can be addressed by adding 5th year player I agree Penn was the best player on that team. Which is part of the reason it was an 8 win team. You usually don't get superstar frosh who can lead a team at this level. Which is why Pickett is a once a decade type phenomenon. I get the feeling sometimes that Carpenter is being elevated to that level in the minds of some. If Carpenter can deliver first year numbers similar to Penn's in a 6th man role, I'll be ecstatic, but I'm not expecting much more. I expect he'll be in the running for the all rookie team if he pans out. Pickett, Carey, Carpenter, and King should give Siena the best guard rotation in the MAAC at the 1 and 2 positions. I'm not sure if we even need more than that unless people think King is more of a role player.
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 22, 2020 10:38:31 GMT -5
I think Carpenter may also be more talented than Tate for what it’s worth. Penn was a 5-11 PG. He had to learn to run a team under a shitty ‘feed Prince Patsos offense’. He wasn’t gonna play off the ball and had to feed Prince into killing Siena’s efficiency. It wasn’t Penn’s fault. He’s always been very good. Carpenter is 6-4 or 6-5. He’s likely basically near another Carey already at least and might be more athletic than him. He doesn’t even have to run the team as a PG to be successful. He also may be better than Carey at getting to the rim and drawing fouls. Carey might have a better jumper right now but I wouldn’t be surprised if Carpenter had a higher FG% and PPS. King is solid but shorter, struggles with 2s, and not a standout on D. Harris has few skills right now besides elite athleticism. Tate can’t really shoot well outside of midrange and is also a so-so defender. If Carpenter can defend, he’s probably ahead of all of them because he also has the ball skills on paper to go along with it. And he finishes with both hands.. In my mind, he’s getting at least 25+ mpg by some point next year...with a decent chance for an ROY caliber type year. Maybe, because of Siena’s depth, he can’t average double digits but I think this kid is gonna be pretty good. To me it will come down to his defense. If he’s defending, he might end up as high as one of our 3 best players next year. If his D is just so-so like Carey’s then he’ll be in the top 6. Do you know of any shooting numbers for Carpenter? I know he's an athletic slasher, but I haven't heard any hype about his shooting - like what we've heard about Silver for example - which suggests to me that it may not be a particular strength.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 22, 2020 12:03:40 GMT -5
I think Carpenter may also be more talented than Tate for what it’s worth. Penn was a 5-11 PG. He had to learn to run a team under a shitty ‘feed Prince Patsos offense’. He wasn’t gonna play off the ball and had to feed Prince into killing Siena’s efficiency. It wasn’t Penn’s fault. He’s always been very good. Carpenter is 6-4 or 6-5. He’s likely basically near another Carey already at least and might be more athletic than him. He doesn’t even have to run the team as a PG to be successful. He also may be better than Carey at getting to the rim and drawing fouls. Carey might have a better jumper right now but I wouldn’t be surprised if Carpenter had a higher FG% and PPS. King is solid but shorter, struggles with 2s, and not a standout on D. Harris has few skills right now besides elite athleticism. Tate can’t really shoot well outside of midrange and is also a so-so defender. If Carpenter can defend, he’s probably ahead of all of them because he also has the ball skills on paper to go along with it. And he finishes with both hands.. In my mind, he’s getting at least 25+ mpg by some point next year...with a decent chance for an ROY caliber type year. Maybe, because of Siena’s depth, he can’t average double digits but I think this kid is gonna be pretty good. To me it will come down to his defense. If he’s defending, he might end up as high as one of our 3 best players next year. If his D is just so-so like Carey’s then he’ll be in the top 6. Agree about Penn learning under JP vs Carpenter learning under Carm & Co. Disagree about King struggling in D and believe Harris will improve skills in off season to better showcase his athleticism. I believe Carm & Co will “develop” it’s current talent better than past coaches (similar time Gran’s years). Agree that Carpenter should be ready to contribute as a freshman and by the end of season potentially be a starter or a major contributor off the bench. I also think Young will be counted in for mins even if we get a 5th C.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 22, 2020 12:10:56 GMT -5
The world is going to change, two weeks ago Siena was on a 10 game winning streak and turning their season around, after 20 games it was what we saw the past 10 years. Now we are stuck in our homes, people losing jobs, businesses going out of business, who knows how Siena or any other small college will survive this. I can only worry about people’s jobs, businesses that will go out of business because of this, the economy that may take over a year to rebound, children in grade school and/of high schools that may end up repeating the same grade/class over because they didn’t graduate/finish the year, people and/or loved ones we know die because of this virus, etc. for so long each day. I look to this forum and communicating w/family & friends to help take my mind off things that are out of my control. So, everyone please keep posting as it gives me something positive to read.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 12:25:39 GMT -5
I think Carpenter may also be more talented than Tate for what it’s worth. Penn was a 5-11 PG. He had to learn to run a team under a shitty ‘feed Prince Patsos offense’. He wasn’t gonna play off the ball and had to feed Prince into killing Siena’s efficiency. It wasn’t Penn’s fault. He’s always been very good. Carpenter is 6-4 or 6-5. He’s likely basically near another Carey already at least and might be more athletic than him. He doesn’t even have to run the team as a PG to be successful. He also may be better than Carey at getting to the rim and drawing fouls. Carey might have a better jumper right now but I wouldn’t be surprised if Carpenter had a higher FG% and PPS. King is solid but shorter, struggles with 2s, and not a standout on D. Harris has few skills right now besides elite athleticism. Tate can’t really shoot well outside of midrange and is also a so-so defender. If Carpenter can defend, he’s probably ahead of all of them because he also has the ball skills on paper to go along with it. And he finishes with both hands.. In my mind, he’s getting at least 25+ mpg by some point next year...with a decent chance for an ROY caliber type year. Maybe, because of Siena’s depth, he can’t average double digits but I think this kid is gonna be pretty good. To me it will come down to his defense. If he’s defending, he might end up as high as one of our 3 best players next year. If his D is just so-so like Carey’s then he’ll be in the top 6. Agree about Penn learning under JP vs Carpenter learning under Carm & Co. Disagree about King struggling in D and believe Harris will improve skills in off season to better showcase his athleticism. I believe Carm & Co will “develop” it’s current talent better than past coaches (similar time Gran’s years). Agree that Carpenter should be ready to contribute as a freshman and by the end of season potentially be a starter or a major contributor off the bench. I also think Young will be counted in for mins even if we get a 5th C. I think there is a difference between Carpenter and King. King relies on his jumper for most of his game. Carpenter is 4 to 5 inches taller and does not. King is not a PG, is undersized as a 2, struggles finishing inside, and is a below average rebounder. Carpenter may yet be someone, like a lesser Pickett, who can do some of everything. Harris could yet become a star, but unfortunately, he is not a ballhandler nor a good shooter. I think he’ll have develop his rebounding and defense more and become a Camper type...not a true guard. I think he can do that. However, if you have 3 true versatile guards ...you play them.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 22, 2020 12:40:44 GMT -5
Agree about Penn learning under JP vs Carpenter learning under Carm & Co. Disagree about King struggling in D and believe Harris will improve skills in off season to better showcase his athleticism. I believe Carm & Co will “develop” it’s current talent better than past coaches (similar time Gran’s years). Agree that Carpenter should be ready to contribute as a freshman and by the end of season potentially be a starter or a major contributor off the bench. I also think Young will be counted in for mins even if we get a 5th C. I think there is a difference between Carpenter and King. King relies on his jumper for most of his game. Carpenter is 4 to 5 inches taller and does not. King is not a PG, is undersized as a 2, struggles finishing inside, and is a below average rebounder. Carpenter may yet be someone, like a lesser Pickett, who can do some of everything. Harris could yet become a star, but unfortunately, he is not a ballhandler nor a good shooter. I think he’ll have develop his rebounding and defense more and become a Camper type...not a true guard. I think he can do that. However, if you have 3 true versatile guards ...you play them. Ok, I like this King/Carpenter comparison/analysis better than King can’t defend statement. I agree that Carpenter being taller might ultimately be a better defender but I still believed King held his own as an undersized freshman defender this season.
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