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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 21, 2020 13:03:57 GMT -5
Wondering what your thoughts are about next season's mentality of the Saints? Much as we are all proud of everything Siena did this year and winning the regular season title with that huge road win at Monmouth was awesome, the fact remains that the MAAC championship is determined in this league by the conference tournament. Some Iona posters are claiming that they will still be the "defending MAAC champions" next year since they were the last to win the MAAC tourney.
I was thinking this morning that "unfinished business" could become the rally cry of next year's team. Ten wins in a row, on a roll toward the title,and then COVID-19 knocks everyone out of chances- can Siena come back with the mentality of "unfinished business"?
The potential return of four starters is an awesome building block to "finish the business they started this year", but the real question is how is the team going to replace Elijah's leadership and skill in the "5" position? Is Kyle ready to become part of the starting unit? Dana, by all reports, is a huge answer to some of this, but his start date won't be until early to mid December in terms of playing time. Will one of the Freshmen coming in, step up and fill the void?
One thing we know for sure WITHOUT A QUESTION- there has to be more optimism and less questions than in any Siena off season since the Ronald Moore, Edwin Ubiles, Kenny Hasbrook, Alex Franklin, Ryan Rossiter days.
I know that as Siena fans, we are all proud of everything accomplished by this year's team and by their work ethic and how they represented Siena College. Coach Carm answered all your questions about his ability to coach as a head coach and his ability to motivate and move a group forward during the season - that question is no more. That all points to an awesome 20-21 season......... with unfinished business to take care of. Go Saints!
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Post by $cott on Mar 21, 2020 14:33:59 GMT -5
Had Iona not lost in the MAAC Tournament they might have some ground to make that claim. But they lost, their reign is over.
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 21, 2020 14:44:48 GMT -5
I think the returning players will start the season eager to get the NCAA bid that eluded them last season. But whether they accomplish that remains to be seen because this is once again going to be a new-look team. The loss of Burns is going to hurt more than people think. How many times did he bail the team out last season when nothing else was clicking? I don't expect any one player at the 5 to replicate his output and leadership, so that slack needs to be made up elsewhere. Tate has potential on paper, but he hasn't exactly displayed star numbers so far in his career despite decent minutes. I think it's unwise to expect him to step right in and be Burns 2.0.
Next, depth may be an issue again because once again the bench is going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. I know everyone is high on the frosh class, but they will still be rookies and can be expected to play as such to begin the season. So this may again be a team that doesn't put it all together until a couple of months in. The talent will be there, but experience and chemistry will be an issue while incorporating 5 or 6 new players.
Looking around the MAAC, as things stand so far no one should present much of a challenge to Siena except SPU and maybe Iona. Quinny has already lost Marfo and Kelly, and Salnave appears to be teetering on the edge at Monmouth. Who knows what Pitino will bring in at Iona, but I expect them to be a year away from giving Siena trouble as they rebuild (reload?) half their roster and then get them to learn to play together. But you never know with them. That leaves SPU. They had a great frosh class, and if they all make a sophomore jump and develop an offense, they're going to be a problem. With two first teamers and 4 starters overall returning, I expect Siena to be picked first. They won't be sneaking up on anyone this time and they're going to get everyone's best shot every game. SPU will be coming for them. I expect Pitino to have something special up his sleeve too. So they better be ready for what's coming their way.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 21, 2020 15:07:28 GMT -5
I think the returning players will start the season eager to get the NCAA bid that eluded them last season. But whether they accomplish that remains to be seen because this is once again going to be a new-look team. The loss of Burns is going to hurt more than people think. How many times did he bail the team out last season when nothing else was clicking? I don't expect any one player at the 5 to replicate his output and leadership, so that slack needs to be made up elsewhere. Tate has potential on paper, but he hasn't exactly displayed star numbers so far in his career despite decent minutes. I think it's unwise to expect him to step right in and be Burns 2.0. Next, depth may be an issue again because once again the bench is going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. I know everyone is high on the frosh class, but they will still be rookies and can be expected to play as such to begin the season. So this may again be a team that doesn't put it all together until a couple of months in. The talent will be there, but experience and chemistry will be an issue while incorporating 5 or 6 new players. Looking around the MAAC, as things stand so far no one should present much of a challenge to Siena except SPU and maybe Iona. Quinny has already lost Marfo and Kelly, and Salnave appears to be teetering on the edge at Monmouth. Who knows what Pitino will bring in at Iona, but I expect them to be a year away from giving Siena trouble as they rebuild (reload?) half their roster and then get them to learn to play together. But you never know with them. That leaves SPU. They had a great frosh class, and if they all make a sophomore jump and develop an offense, they're going to be a problem. With two first teamers and 4 starters overall returning, I expect Siena to be picked first. They won't be sneaking up on anyone this time and they're going to get everyone's best shot every game. SPU will be coming for them. I expect Pitino to have something special up his sleeve too. So they better be ready for what's coming their way. Lets say the starting lineup is: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper and Young. The bench would be, assuming we get the 5th year center everyone is pretty sure is coming, a 4th year forward (Tate), a Soph (King) and a prep guard (Carpenter) that has practiced the last 3 months with the team, and the 5th year center off the bench. Only true freshman we'd need to "count on"are the two forwards from Detroit/Chicago. I think we have a very experienced team coming back.
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Post by saints22 on Mar 21, 2020 15:23:09 GMT -5
Wondering what your thoughts are about next season's mentality of the Saints? Much as we are all proud of everything Siena did this year and winning the regular season title with that huge road win at Monmouth was awesome, the fact remains that the MAAC championship is determined in this league by the conference tournament. Some Iona posters are claiming that they will still be the "defending MAAC champions" next year since they were the last to win the MAAC tourney. I was thinking this morning that "unfinished business" could become the rally cry of next year's team. Ten wins in a row, on a roll toward the title,and then COVID-19 knocks everyone out of chances- can Siena come back with the mentality of "unfinished business"? The potential return of four starters is an awesome building block to "finish the business they started this year", but the real question is how is the team going to replace Elijah's leadership and skill in the "5" position? Is Kyle ready to become part of the starting unit? Dana, by all reports, is a huge answer to some of this, but his start date won't be until early to mid December in terms of playing time. Will one of the Freshmen coming in, step up and fill the void? One thing we know for sure WITHOUT A QUESTION- there has to be more optimism and less questions than in any Siena off season since the Ronald Moore, Edwin Ubiles, Kenny Hasbrook, Alex Franklin, Ryan Rossiter days. I know that as Siena fans, we are all proud of everything accomplished by this year's team and by their work ethic and how they represented Siena College. Coach Carm answered all your questions about his ability to coach as a head coach and his ability to motivate and move a group forward during the season - that question is no more. That all points to an awesome 20-21 season......... with unfinished business to take care of. Go Saints! I don't like the "unfinished business" label. To me, that diminishes everything that this years's team accomplished. Regular season MAAC champs, and earning the #1 seed in the league tournament are MAJOR achievements. If they had lost in the tournament, then maybe you could think about "unfinished business", but even then it would be a stretch. But they never had the chance to win or lose the tournament. What they (and we) are left with is that they accomplished everything that was in front of them. That's good enough for them to carry forward into next season, and to continue to build one. Maybe next year's mentality should be "Next Step"!
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Post by MTS on Mar 21, 2020 15:30:47 GMT -5
Siena is the defending MAAC champions. Period.
First off, Iona was eliminated, their reign is over. While we didn't get a chance to win the tournament we won outright the only available metric the regular season championship going 16-5 against MAAC competition winning 10 straight to end the year. SPU was next at 15-6. Siena is the champion and will hang the banner.
As it stands now and I don't anticipate any major changes we're the team to beat.
SPU should be solid, Pitino will make Iona solid but I like our team a lot. Carm proved he can coach and recruiting looks very good too so far.
The team can go a legit 10 deep next year - Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper, Tate, Young, King, Carpenter, Golson and whatever big man we add (I think for sure we sign a big probably grad transfer)
Carm can run and press more and play faster. He said on the radio last week that he wants Siena to score in the upper 70's. Siena will have a lot more "arrows in the quiver" and we were already a top 145 team this year (playing better than that).
If everything goes according to plan Siena can legitimate be a top 75-100 team in 2020-2021.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 21, 2020 15:56:17 GMT -5
Pitino says he’s going with a euro offense and full court pressure. I expect him to load up with good players quickly. Iona St Pete’s and Siena should be the 3 contending.
Only thing that will slow Iona is if the show-cause comes down, & that’s a distinct possibility. I know some in New Ro are in denial but it’s a legit risk.
Let’s see who Carm can add as well, a lot of players becoming available in the portal.
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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 21, 2020 16:25:18 GMT -5
Wondering what your thoughts are about next season's mentality of the Saints? Much as we are all proud of everything Siena did this year and winning the regular season title with that huge road win at Monmouth was awesome, the fact remains that the MAAC championship is determined in this league by the conference tournament. Some Iona posters are claiming that they will still be the "defending MAAC champions" next year since they were the last to win the MAAC tourney. I was thinking this morning that "unfinished business" could become the rally cry of next year's team. Ten wins in a row, on a roll toward the title,and then COVID-19 knocks everyone out of chances- can Siena come back with the mentality of "unfinished business"? The potential return of four starters is an awesome building block to "finish the business they started this year", but the real question is how is the team going to replace Elijah's leadership and skill in the "5" position? Is Kyle ready to become part of the starting unit? Dana, by all reports, is a huge answer to some of this, but his start date won't be until early to mid December in terms of playing time. Will one of the Freshmen coming in, step up and fill the void? One thing we know for sure WITHOUT A QUESTION- there has to be more optimism and less questions than in any Siena off season since the Ronald Moore, Edwin Ubiles, Kenny Hasbrook, Alex Franklin, Ryan Rossiter days. I know that as Siena fans, we are all proud of everything accomplished by this year's team and by their work ethic and how they represented Siena College. Coach Carm answered all your questions about his ability to coach as a head coach and his ability to motivate and move a group forward during the season - that question is no more. That all points to an awesome 20-21 season......... with unfinished business to take care of. Go Saints! I don't like the "unfinished business" label. To me, that diminishes everything that this years's team accomplished. Regular season MAAC champs, and earning the #1 seed in the league tournament are MAJOR achievements. If they had lost in the tournament, then maybe you could think about "unfinished business", but even then it would be a stretch. But they never had the chance to win or lose the tournament. What they (and we) are left with is that they accomplished everything that was in front of them. That's good enough for them to carry forward into next season, and to continue to build one. Maybe next year's mentality should be "Next Step"! Saints 22, I appreciate your thoughts and agree. The "unfinished business" in no way was meant to diminish in any way all the accomplishments of this year's team and how far they have brought the program back. In my mind, their goal was "get to the dance" - but, since the dance was cancelled, and there was no dance to get to, that leaves it as "unfinished business". But, having said that, I with you, don't want in any way to take away from what a great season this was, just looking for a way to get next year's team a little edge in terms of the job before them. Thanks for your response.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 21, 2020 16:43:20 GMT -5
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 21, 2020 17:01:41 GMT -5
I think the returning players will start the season eager to get the NCAA bid that eluded them last season. But whether they accomplish that remains to be seen because this is once again going to be a new-look team. The loss of Burns is going to hurt more than people think. How many times did he bail the team out last season when nothing else was clicking? I don't expect any one player at the 5 to replicate his output and leadership, so that slack needs to be made up elsewhere. Tate has potential on paper, but he hasn't exactly displayed star numbers so far in his career despite decent minutes. I think it's unwise to expect him to step right in and be Burns 2.0. Next, depth may be an issue again because once again the bench is going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. I know everyone is high on the frosh class, but they will still be rookies and can be expected to play as such to begin the season. So this may again be a team that doesn't put it all together until a couple of months in. The talent will be there, but experience and chemistry will be an issue while incorporating 5 or 6 new players. Looking around the MAAC, as things stand so far no one should present much of a challenge to Siena except SPU and maybe Iona. Quinny has already lost Marfo and Kelly, and Salnave appears to be teetering on the edge at Monmouth. Who knows what Pitino will bring in at Iona, but I expect them to be a year away from giving Siena trouble as they rebuild (reload?) half their roster and then get them to learn to play together. But you never know with them. That leaves SPU. They had a great frosh class, and if they all make a sophomore jump and develop an offense, they're going to be a problem. With two first teamers and 4 starters overall returning, I expect Siena to be picked first. They won't be sneaking up on anyone this time and they're going to get everyone's best shot every game. SPU will be coming for them. I expect Pitino to have something special up his sleeve too. So they better be ready for what's coming their way. Lets say the starting lineup is: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper and Young. The bench would be, assuming we get the 5th year center everyone is pretty sure is coming, a 4th year forward (Tate), a Soph (King) and a prep guard (Carpenter) that has practiced the last 3 months with the team, and the 5th year center off the bench. Only true freshman we'd need to "count on"are the two forwards from Chicago. I think we have a very experienced team coming back. If we get that 5th year center you're talking about, he's sure to start over Young. Carpenter may have been practicing with the team for awhile but he's never played the college game. He's a rookie. He represents the main guard depth everyone expects to supplant King as first guard off the bench. So you're right that they won't be as dependent on frosh as I speculate, but they're still going to be young and heavily reliant on underclassmen for depth. The biggest needs are that 6th man guard that comes in with no drop-off, and someone who can come close to replacing what Burns gave them. It can be done - but that's asking a lot. If they successfully satisfy those two needs then they're the prohibitive favorite by a large margin.
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Mar 21, 2020 17:08:39 GMT -5
Wondering what your thoughts are about next season's mentality of the Saints? Much as we are all proud of everything Siena did this year and winning the regular season title with that huge road win at Monmouth was awesome, the fact remains that the MAAC championship is determined in this league by the conference tournament. Some Iona posters are claiming that they will still be the "defending MAAC champions" next year since they were the last to win the MAAC tourney. I was thinking this morning that "unfinished business" could become the rally cry of next year's team. Ten wins in a row, on a roll toward the title,and then COVID-19 knocks everyone out of chances- can Siena come back with the mentality of "unfinished business"? The potential return of four starters is an awesome building block to "finish the business they started this year", but the real question is how is the team going to replace Elijah's leadership and skill in the "5" position? Is Kyle ready to become part of the starting unit? Dana, by all reports, is a huge answer to some of this, but his start date won't be until early to mid December in terms of playing time. Will one of the Freshmen coming in, step up and fill the void? One thing we know for sure WITHOUT A QUESTION- there has to be more optimism and less questions than in any Siena off season since the Ronald Moore, Edwin Ubiles, Kenny Hasbrook, Alex Franklin, Ryan Rossiter days. I know that as Siena fans, we are all proud of everything accomplished by this year's team and by their work ethic and how they represented Siena College. Coach Carm answered all your questions about his ability to coach as a head coach and his ability to motivate and move a group forward during the season - that question is no more. That all points to an awesome 20-21 season......... with unfinished business to take care of. Go Saints! I do love the optimism and think we are the alpha going into the 2020-20111 season. We had a great vibe going this year and that was obviously pissed on quickly with the vibes if 2020. 2020 has been a disaster for the America and life we all know.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 21, 2020 20:09:20 GMT -5
Wondering what your thoughts are about next season's mentality of the Saints? Much as we are all proud of everything Siena did this year and winning the regular season title with that huge road win at Monmouth was awesome, the fact remains that the MAAC championship is determined in this league by the conference tournament. Some Iona posters are claiming that they will still be the "defending MAAC champions" next year since they were the last to win the MAAC tourney. I was thinking this morning that "unfinished business" could become the rally cry of next year's team. Ten wins in a row, on a roll toward the title,and then COVID-19 knocks everyone out of chances- can Siena come back with the mentality of "unfinished business"? The potential return of four starters is an awesome building block to "finish the business they started this year", but the real question is how is the team going to replace Elijah's leadership and skill in the "5" position? Is Kyle ready to become part of the starting unit? Dana, by all reports, is a huge answer to some of this, but his start date won't be until early to mid December in terms of playing time. Will one of the Freshmen coming in, step up and fill the void? One thing we know for sure WITHOUT A QUESTION- there has to be more optimism and less questions than in any Siena off season since the Ronald Moore, Edwin Ubiles, Kenny Hasbrook, Alex Franklin, Ryan Rossiter days. I know that as Siena fans, we are all proud of everything accomplished by this year's team and by their work ethic and how they represented Siena College. Coach Carm answered all your questions about his ability to coach as a head coach and his ability to motivate and move a group forward during the season - that question is no more. That all points to an awesome 20-21 season......... with unfinished business to take care of. Go Saints! I do love the optimism and think we are the alpha going into the 2020-20111 season. We had a great vibe going this year and that was obviously pissed on quickly with the vibes if 2020. 2020 has been a disaster for the America and life we all know. I like your thinking; an 18,000 year reign. 🙂
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 22, 2020 2:51:50 GMT -5
Lets say the starting lineup is: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper and Young. The bench would be, assuming we get the 5th year center everyone is pretty sure is coming, a 4th year forward (Tate), a Soph (King) and a prep guard (Carpenter) that has practiced the last 3 months with the team, and the 5th year center off the bench. Only true freshman we'd need to "count on"are the two forwards from Chicago. I think we have a very experienced team coming back. If we get that 5th year center you're talking about, he's sure to start over Young. Carpenter may have been practicing with the team for awhile but he's never played the college game. He's a rookie. He represents the main guard depth everyone expects to supplant King as first guard off the bench. So you're right that they won't be as dependent on frosh as I speculate, but they're still going to be young and heavily reliant on underclassmen for depth. The biggest needs are that 6th man guard that comes in with no drop-off, and someone who can come close to replacing what Burns gave them. It can be done - but that's asking a lot. If they successfully satisfy those two needs then they're the prohibitive favorite by a large margin. So you think a team that starts (2) seniors- 1 5th year, (2) juniors-1 4th year and a sophomore is a young team?? Tate off the bench is in his 4th year of college. Young and King both got important playing time as freshman and should be ready to make the next step. Carpenter went thru the hardest thing about being a freshman, the classes, the lifestyle and learning his college coaches system. He has a HUGE advantage being able to bond with next years teams 6 months ahead of schedule. He's def not a true freshman. He was probably covering Jalen everyday in practice. Aiden will be just fine. Those 9 should be our core anyway. Maybe one of the freshman forwards from Chicago emerge, but we dont really need them to....this year. Experience is the least of our problems.
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Post by Tony on Mar 22, 2020 4:33:46 GMT -5
No Question we have an extremely experienced team coming back. We have 4/5 starters back. Gary/Jordan and Kyle got a ton of experience this year, two of our top reserves. Dana Tate will be 21, has college experience and been with team since January. Aidan is top tier MAAC talent and again has huge advantage over true freshmen having been here since January. We are in line for a potential 5th year Center-- so by my count that's a top 9 of experienced players , if BK and or Colin break into that group that means they are players!! Add to that these players have played together for a year- Take Jalen and Don - early in the year the "vibe" between the two was not good on the court ( they were always fine off the court) Don went into a little funk mid season, when they finally figured out how to maximize playing together we were next to unbeatable in MAAC play
And most of all dont underestimate a year of experience for Carm, huge jump going to head man chair, you could actually see Carm grow into that role as season progressed. If things pan out as we hope- we project to be Deep,talented and extremely experienced team next year. We will be good to extremely good depending on how things pan out at Center position. As things stand -- we are sitting pretty- with the most returning talent we have had since the Fran years
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 22, 2020 4:46:30 GMT -5
If we get that 5th year center you're talking about, he's sure to start over Young. Carpenter may have been practicing with the team for awhile but he's never played the college game. He's a rookie. He represents the main guard depth everyone expects to supplant King as first guard off the bench. So you're right that they won't be as dependent on frosh as I speculate, but they're still going to be young and heavily reliant on underclassmen for depth. The biggest needs are that 6th man guard that comes in with no drop-off, and someone who can come close to replacing what Burns gave them. It can be done - but that's asking a lot. If they successfully satisfy those two needs then they're the prohibitive favorite by a large margin. So you think a team that starts (2) seniors- 1 5th year, (2) juniors-1 4th year and a sophomore is a young team?? Tate off the bench is in his 4th year of college. Young and King both got important playing time as freshman and should be ready to make the next step. Carpenter went thru the hardest thing about being a freshman, the classes, the lifestyle and learning his college coaches system. He has a HUGE advantage being able to bond with next years teams 6 months ahead of schedule. He's def not a true freshman. He was probably covering Jalen everyday in practice. Aiden will be just fine. Those 9 should be our core anyway. Maybe one of the freshman forwards from Chicago emerge, but we dont really need them to....this year. Experience is the least of our problems. Yes, there will be experience among the starters. Tate may well end up the 5th starter if they don't get another big man - Young is likely another year away from being ready. But everyone coming off the bench will be underclassmen. Romen Penn came to Siena in a similar situation as Carpenter. Penn had a promising first year - but he still played like a freshman. It's hard to gauge what we'll get from Carpenter until he gets on the court. I'm confident he'll be a good one. I just don't know if it'll manifest right away. Tate was a 4 star recruit - that didn't immediately manifest in his college game so far. So a semester of practice doesn't guarantee a highly touted recruit becomes a star. I'm optimistic, but with some caution. Who I'd really like to see make a leap is Harris.
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