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Post by mike60 on Mar 9, 2020 20:22:52 GMT -5
Sorry CR. Didn't read your post correctly.
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Post by skipc on Mar 9, 2020 20:30:27 GMT -5
I don't understand. The college spent money to investigate on its own: "fired the person responsible, turned the material to the NCAA who took 2years to mull it over, gave Siena a light slap on the wrist and said Siena was cooperative and now we are moaning that we can't get any traction. If I were a parent, I would say that this is where I would like my child to go. Anything can happen in an organization, but to recognize wrong doing and take care of it shows moral courage. Which coincidentally was at a time after they had extended this guys contract, had severe buyer remorse and realized that they had no way to get out of this contract unless .................. Don’t get me wrong,I’m glad he’s gone, the process just smelled real bad at the time.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 9, 2020 20:34:03 GMT -5
I have not always seen eye to eye with D’Arg, but the decision to hire Mitch and Jimmy came from Siena Hall, not the AD’s office. Thank you KS; there’s some here that seem to want to lynch him and they don’t seem to care or want to hear it that it wasn’t his hiring decision. Let’s think about that further, if he didn’t hire the coaches then it’s safe to assume that maybe he wasn’t in charge of any disciplinary actions had anyone known issues were occurring in the first place. Food for thought AD haters.
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Post by siena88 on Mar 9, 2020 20:36:51 GMT -5
I have not always seen eye to eye with D’Arg, but the decision to hire Mitch and Jimmy came from Siena Hall, not the AD’s office. Who’s job was it to supervise Patsos? This was not one isolated incident. Their is now a series of reported unacceptable behavior over multi years under John’s watch. If John is saying he didn’t know he should be dismissed. If he did know he should be dismissed.
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Mar 9, 2020 20:45:04 GMT -5
Don't need the distractions now....couldn't it have wait a week or so? Thank God no postseason ban...that might have your truly jump off a bridge. Patsos will go down as the worst hire in Siena history. Why Siena paid him even ONE year I don't know. D'Arg needs to go.... love Carm and the new president. Time for another new face at AD. Agree, love carm, but patsos was a disaster from a pr standpoint and didn't bring the hoops acumen on the other side. He saw Siena as his dream job...being in Albany, partying, toga, but was and is a mental liability. We all knew that from his days at Loyola. We hoped he changed but was far from the case.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 9, 2020 20:48:02 GMT -5
I have not always seen eye to eye with D’Arg, but the decision to hire Mitch and Jimmy came from Siena Hall, not the AD’s office. Who’s job was it to supervise Patsos? This was not one isolated incident. Their is now a series of reported unacceptable behavior over multi years under John’s watch. If John is saying he didn’t know he should be dismissed. If he did know he should be dismissed. In the report it states that he didn't know as evidenced by patsos stating he didn't check with the compliance staff, which makes sense... patsos was doing weird stuff all the time... how was he supposed to know the players were getting extra money. Same thing with the rides. It seems like compliance is important to the ad based on the compliance education letters he sends out each quarter or so.
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Mar 9, 2020 20:55:09 GMT -5
John made several hundred thousand dollars during those three years to lead the athletic program responsible for supervising Patsos and claims he didn’t know any of this or the other issues were going on is fine? He should have been announcing his retirement. Amen, not sure how this guy keeps his job. Leading a team that is big fish in a mediocre conference at best. Great town, support, facility, with coaches tripping over each other to get a shot here. Don't get it. The program is set up on a tee to win and every other hire is a head scratcher that sets us back 5 years. Any other AD would have had a shot at keeping fran and be headed to the A10, the perfect home for Siena hoops Yes, fellas, with proper leadership we were positioned to be the next creighton, butler, Wichita state, or even Gonzaga. Yes, believe it....
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IndianSaint
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 9, 2020 21:02:30 GMT -5
Who’s job was it to supervise Patsos? This was not one isolated incident. Their is now a series of reported unacceptable behavior over multi years under John’s watch. If John is saying he didn’t know he should be dismissed. If he did know he should be dismissed. In the report it states that he didn't know as evidenced by patsos stating he didn't check with the compliance staff, which makes sense... patsos was doing weird stuff all the time... how was he supposed to know the players were getting extra money. Same thing with the rides. It seems like compliance is important to the ad based on the compliance education letters he sends out each quarter or so. Thank you Gorvy. At least you took the time to read through the report. Others seem to hear/read snipits or other bloggers’ comments, have an agenda, then make comments supporting that agenda. Heck, I do it to but yo protect my favorite Team’s people (including the AD). I’ve seen this before with any news headline, people come out w/out any facts and start telling is how things should be. Then the facts come out and they look like fools for their original comments.
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Post by dalydoseofhoops on Mar 9, 2020 22:09:37 GMT -5
Didn't see it posted already, here's the D'arg presser. So many Siena fans try and pretend the Patsos era never happened...now they don't have to! Who is the reporter with the deep Darth Vader voice? That's Singelais.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 22:17:01 GMT -5
So Bisping and JO etc.. their careers don’t count now because Jimmy doesn’t know how to use receipts?
That’s messed up.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2020 22:25:36 GMT -5
The twitter you always read..... Like just providing me with a name was too hard? I don't care enough to investigate:) It’s our reporter....Mark Singelais
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MikeC
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Post by MikeC on Mar 9, 2020 22:40:11 GMT -5
Retiring the AD would be a gift for him!The man has been around 50-50 with his hires and some of those border on incompetence especially with the group of candidates that were clamoring for those positions.It's obvious you're friendly with the AD but this is not about friendship but incompetence.A man who literally destroyed a very good basketball program and if not for the catholic values he woulda,coulda, shoulda been sent packing a long time ago!GO SAINTS!! AMEN! Basketball team wins in spite of the AD. Incompetence coupled with arrogance is a pretty bad combo. Should have been ousted many years ago. How the heck did he survive 10 years of DRECK and now this?!?!?!! Man is an embarrassment.
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Post by MikeC on Mar 9, 2020 22:54:01 GMT -5
I have not always seen eye to eye with D’Arg, but the decision to hire Mitch and Jimmy came from Siena Hall, not the AD’s office. BS - so he gets credit for the coaches that work out, but no blame for the ones that don’t? And who’s job was it to supervise JP as he was pulling all these shenanigans? Further, isn’t it his job to run the athletic department? Now you say others are making hiring decisions for key positions in his department without him having a say? Why didn’t he speak up? Why don’t he object if he was not on board? Why didn’t he grow a spine and throw down an ultimatum that if u make this hire without my approval, you can find urself a new AD? I don’t buy it, and even if it’s true what does that really say about the character of the guy? I guess he’s good at asking for money....how much? MORE
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Post by MikeC on Mar 9, 2020 23:06:41 GMT -5
John made several hundred thousand dollars during those three years to lead the athletic program responsible for supervising Patsos and claims he didn’t know any of this or the other issues were going on is fine? He should have been announcing his retirement. Amen, not sure how this guy keeps his job. Leading a team that is big fish in a mediocre conference at best. Great town, support, facility, with coaches tripping over each other to get a shot here. Don't get it. The program is set up on a tee to win and every other hire is a head scratcher that sets us back 5 years. Any other AD would have had a shot at keeping fran and be headed to the A10, the perfect home for Siena hoops Yes, fellas, with proper leadership we were positioned to be the next creighton, butler, Wichita state, or even Gonzaga. Yes, believe it.... BINGO! Nail meet head. This guys lack of leadership at a crucial time for the program led to what has transpired the last 10 years. Missed a golden opportunity due to lack of quality leadership. And it’s not like the MAAC hadn’t already slipped...anyone paying attention knew the MAAC was slowly but surely descending from solid mid-major to...well the crap show it is today. Siena had an excellent opportunity to escape, but it was bungled and fumbled away by the powers that be. At a time when stong decisive determined leadership was needed from our AD, It was nowhere to be found.
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Post by MikeC on Mar 9, 2020 23:20:34 GMT -5
Who’s job was it to supervise Patsos? This was not one isolated incident. Their is now a series of reported unacceptable behavior over multi years under John’s watch. If John is saying he didn’t know he should be dismissed. If he did know he should be dismissed. In the report it states that he didn't know as evidenced by patsos stating he didn't check with the compliance staff, which makes sense... patsos was doing weird stuff all the time... how was he supposed to know the players were getting extra money. Same thing with the rides. It seems like compliance is important to the ad based on the compliance education letters he sends out each quarter or so. Hmmmmm....how would u know...oh I don’t know...really got me stumped here...now how would one go about learning something like that...wild guess here: HOW ABOUT YOU DO YOUR DAMN JOB AND ASK?!?? You show some F’n leadership and you get to the bottom of this crap!! You’d think if you’ve been in a position for like 40 years you’d learn a thing or 2 along the way. The only way a person in that position wouldn’t know what was going on under his own nose is either he was incompetent or he was complicit.
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