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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 21, 2020 10:07:58 GMT -5
Or, it could be a way for Siena to grab HM players not playing much to come back down to the MM range. Carm & Staff are already doing this now. Can you imagine who else we could get if the student didn’t have to sit out a year? I agree, it b CB oils hurt the mids the most but Carm could also use it to Siena’s advantage. Goodbye Jalen Picket, Camper and Harris.... who do we get in return? Neither are planning to leave nor do I believe either would even if this passes. Everyone assumes people always want to move up. Sometimes people understand it’s not always greener on the other side; nor would they feel as loved or as important by the staff. For example, Carm brings Siena to Sweet 16 in next 1-3 years and gets $1mm offer from high majors. Does anyone in this board really think he’ll leave? I don’t, he lives Siena more than coaching at high major, IMO. Now, will Carm leave for high major in 5-19 years after he gets Siena where he wants AND is around to help find his successor. Yes, I can see that happening. I would never think Carm would ever leave Siena “hanging” like JC did. Again, JMO but I also think no one could provide proof of Carm’s intention contrary to what I said. On the other hand Carm has said or implied what I’ve said numerous times in person & in public.
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Post by $cott on Feb 21, 2020 10:35:03 GMT -5
Goodbye Jalen Picket, Camper and Harris.... who do we get in return? Neither are planning to leave nor do I believe either would even if this passes. Everyone assumes people always want to move up. Sometimes people understand it’s not always greener on the other side; nor would they feel as loved or as important by the staff. For example, Carm brings Siena to Sweet 16 in next 1-3 years and gets $1mm offer from high majors. Does anyone in this board really think he’ll leave? I don’t, he lives Siena more than coaching at high major, IMO. Now, will Carm leave for high major in 5-19 years after he gets Siena where he wants AND is around to help find his successor. Yes, I can see that happening. I would never think Carm would ever leave Siena “hanging” like JC did. Again, JMO but I also think no one could provide proof of Carm’s intention contrary to what I said. On the other hand Carm has said or implied what I’ve said numerous times in person & in public. Yes, he would leave for $1 million plus a year if it was guaranteed for 5 years. As much as he may love Siena basketball he loves his own family more and would owe it to their futures to take that job. I don't think he would leave for less than that like JC did especially if Siena was willing to give him a healthy raise. In the dream scenario he turns us into a top midmajor and we can pay him $750k a year. Even in that scenario he could still be poached off by a top program that can dangle $3 million a year at him.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 21, 2020 11:21:30 GMT -5
Neither are planning to leave nor do I believe either would even if this passes. Everyone assumes people always want to move up. Sometimes people understand it’s not always greener on the other side; nor would they feel as loved or as important by the staff. For example, Carm brings Siena to Sweet 16 in next 1-3 years and gets $1mm offer from high majors. Does anyone in this board really think he’ll leave? I don’t, he lives Siena more than coaching at high major, IMO. Now, will Carm leave for high major in 5-19 years after he gets Siena where he wants AND is around to help find his successor. Yes, I can see that happening. I would never think Carm would ever leave Siena “hanging” like JC did. Again, JMO but I also think no one could provide proof of Carm’s intention contrary to what I said. On the other hand Carm has said or implied what I’ve said numerous times in person & in public. Yes, he would leave for $1 million plus a year if it was guaranteed for 5 years. As much as he may love Siena basketball he loves his own family more and would owe it to their futures to take that job. I don't think he would leave for less than that like JC did especially if Siena was willing to give him a healthy raise. In the dream scenario he turns us into a top midmajor and we can pay him $750k a year. Even in that scenario he could still be poached off by a top program that can dangle $3 million a year at him. That’s your opinion but I do not see Carm leaving in the next 3 years even if the about happens. I do think he’d leave for that money after, say years 5-10. Think what you want but Carm DOES care more about Siena in the long term than the chance of him leaving for $1mm in the near short term future. JMO Not saying he won’t leave after 5 years but highly unlikely before then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 11:39:30 GMT -5
Goodbye Jalen Picket, Camper and Harris.... who do we get in return? Neither are planning to leave nor do I believe either would even if this passes. Everyone assumes people always want to move up. Sometimes people understand it’s not always greener on the other side; nor would they feel as loved or as important by the staff. For example, Carm brings Siena to Sweet 16 in next 1-3 years and gets $1mm offer from high majors. Does anyone in this board really think he’ll leave? I don’t, he lives Siena more than coaching at high major, IMO. Now, will Carm leave for high major in 5-19 years after he gets Siena where he wants AND is around to help find his successor. Yes, I can see that happening. I would never think Carm would ever leave Siena “hanging” like JC did. Again, JMO but I also think no one could provide proof of Carm’s intention contrary to what I said. On the other hand Carm has said or implied what I’ve said numerous times in person & in public. This” not planning to leave” scenario changes when offers from the high rollers start coming in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 11:44:54 GMT -5
We can only hope that Carm bleeds enough green and gold to take the 500k a year that Siena would probably give him on an extension and say....I think I'm in good shape.
500k a year for 5 years is still 2.5 M. You're doing ok. If he stays and raises the Siena profile, he'll be a god in his home town for the rest of his life.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 21, 2020 13:10:21 GMT -5
Goodbye Jalen Picket, Camper and Harris.... who do we get in return? Neither are planning to leave nor do I believe either would even if this passes. Everyone assumes people always want to move up. Sometimes people understand it’s not always greener on the other side; nor would they feel as loved or as important by the staff. For example, Carm brings Siena to Sweet 16 in next 1-3 years and gets $1mm offer from high majors. Does anyone in this board really think he’ll leave? I don’t, he lives Siena more than coaching at high major, IMO. Now, will Carm leave for high major in 5-19 years after he gets Siena where he wants AND is around to help find his successor. Yes, I can see that happening. I would never think Carm would ever leave Siena “hanging” like JC did. Again, JMO but I also think no one could provide proof of Carm’s intention contrary to what I said. On the other hand Carm has said or implied what I’ve said numerous times in person & in public. IS, it must be hard to walk when your feet never really touch the ground.....................and I say that with "peace and love"..................
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 21, 2020 14:11:00 GMT -5
Look, I know I’m optimistic but have you ever listened to him speak. He’s not like JP saying stuff he thinks the fans want to hear. Carm is sincere, so I believe him when he says he’s not going anywhere in the short term (3 years).
Sure, in 5 years, maybe he chooses to try it. But he loves Siena and wants Siena to succeed.
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Post by MTS on Feb 21, 2020 14:30:35 GMT -5
We can only hope that Carm bleeds enough green and gold to take the 500k a year that Siena would probably give him on an extension and say....I think I'm in good shape. 500k a year for 5 years is still 2.5 M. You're doing ok. If he stays and raises the Siena profile, he'll be a god in his home town for the rest of his life. Worse case he's here for Fran like tenure (5 years) best case he's Bob McKillop or Tim Cluess because of his ties to the school and area. President Gibson looks like a big sports fan. That's good. You get the attendance back up and you can pay Carm what Fran was making 10 years ago if he wins big. Still has a lot of winning to do but I like what I've seen so far. And like a frosh (1st year HC) he'll get better as he goes on most likely.
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Post by $cott on Feb 21, 2020 16:14:06 GMT -5
Look, I know I’m optimistic but have you ever listened to him speak. He’s not like JP saying stuff he thinks the fans want to hear. Carm is sincere, so I believe him when he says he’s not going anywhere in the short term (3 years). Sure, in 5 years, maybe he chooses to try it. But he loves Siena and wants Siena to succeed. Did you ever listed to Coach Christian speak? No one got you to believe in what he was saying more than that guy. And turns out it was all a bunch of lies once the money truck rolled up.
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Post by MTS on Feb 21, 2020 16:39:10 GMT -5
Look, I know I’m optimistic but have you ever listened to him speak. He’s not like JP saying stuff he thinks the fans want to hear. Carm is sincere, so I believe him when he says he’s not going anywhere in the short term (3 years). Sure, in 5 years, maybe he chooses to try it. But he loves Siena and wants Siena to succeed. Did you ever listed to Coach Christian speak? No one got you to believe in what he was saying more than that guy. And turns out it was all a bunch of lies once the money truck rolled up. Coaches BS I mean Paul Hewitt loved the school system and Fran loved it here. But JC always seemed like a phony to me. Ending every interview with Go Saints he just seemed like a fake. Plus he was a fish out of water here. He spent his whole life (like JP) in the DMV. I’m not saying Carm will be a lifer but if anyone stays here a decade and won at a high level he would be the only one.
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Post by $cott on Feb 21, 2020 16:49:08 GMT -5
Did you ever listed to Coach Christian speak? No one got you to believe in what he was saying more than that guy. And turns out it was all a bunch of lies once the money truck rolled up. Coaches BS I mean Paul Hewitt loved the school system and Fran loved it here. But JC always seemed like a phony to me. Ending every interview with Go Saints he just seemed like a fake. Plus he was a fish out of water here. He spent his whole life (like JP) in the DMV. I’m not saying Carm will be a lifer but if anyone stays here a decade and won at a high level he would be the only one. LOL! Coach C is absolutely the best thing to happen to this program in a long long 8 years. I couldn’t be anymore optimistic and excited about the future. Thanks Coach! He's earned a nice raise in pay...don't know if Siena should add a year on after just 1 year (but he is not like 16 after the CBI title he will continue to work hard). However if we somehow win the tournament I think you add another year on in addition to the pay bump. Siena can keep him for a while and make sure he only leaves for a power 5 job in 3-5 years. We got a good one who just "gets it".
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Post by MTS on Feb 21, 2020 16:53:26 GMT -5
Coaches BS I mean Paul Hewitt loved the school system and Fran loved it here. But JC always seemed like a phony to me. Ending every interview with Go Saints he just seemed like a fake. Plus he was a fish out of water here. He spent his whole life (like JP) in the DMV. I’m not saying Carm will be a lifer but if anyone stays here a decade and won at a high level he would be the only one. LOL! He's earned a nice raise in pay...don't know if Siena should add a year on after just 1 year (but he is not like 16 after the CBI title he will continue to work hard). However if we somehow win the tournament I think you add another year on in addition to the pay bump. Siena can keep him for a while and make sure he only leaves for a power 5 job in 3-5 years. We got a good one who just "gets it". Hey we all get some wrong. Did anyone see it really? He hated it here...so did the wife...situation with son and reported conflict with D’Arg. Plus Siena couldn’t bump him up because of paying the last year off from JP. Anyway water under the bridge we’re probably better off in the long run anyway.
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Post by saints15 on Feb 21, 2020 17:34:55 GMT -5
People, let’s get real. Do you really think if this rule was in place last year that Jalen wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to go to a top 5 power conference? Don’t you think that the feedback from the NBA included ‘we would have liked to see you against stronger competition for a full season.’ And if someone offered Carm $500k more a year he wouldn’t jump at it? We are talking about potential life changing opportunities. Would you pass them up, even if you loved where you were? Plus you have to consider that top athletes/coaches have a competitive nature and always want to prove themselves at the highest level possible. It’s what makes them so good in the first place. Personally I think this is an awful rule. If you want to make an exception for a coach that recruited you leaving, great. Otherwise you stay where you committed and if you decide to leave you pay the penalty. But if the rule goes through I don’t begrudge the players leveraging it to improve their future potential opportunities.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 21, 2020 17:49:55 GMT -5
Look, I know I’m optimistic but have you ever listened to him speak. He’s not like JP saying stuff he thinks the fans want to hear. Carm is sincere, so I believe him when he says he’s not going anywhere in the short term (3 years). Sure, in 5 years, maybe he chooses to try it. But he loves Siena and wants Siena to succeed. Did you ever listed to Coach Christian speak? No one got you to believe in what he was saying more than that guy. And turns out it was all a bunch of lies once the money truck rolled up. Yes, I did. JC & JP both said they loved Siena but neither meant it (i.e., their actions spoke louder than their words). Coach Carm’s actions to date back his words. If you and others can’t see that then I can’t help you. Carm has done so much in the community and promoting the college in his short tenure (and is sincere) than JP & JC’s combine years at Siena. Carm, unlike the other coaches mentioned in this thread “did not graduate from Siena nor grow up in the capital district rooting for Siena” like Carm did. Of course when other coaches say they live Siena they don’t mean it as much as Carm. I tell you what, if Carm leaves “before” 5 years (which will include multiple MAAC Championships & a Sweet 16) you can say I was wrong. Otherwise, I’ll remind everyone during Carm’s 6th year coaching Siena about this thread.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 21, 2020 17:51:43 GMT -5
People, let’s get real. Do you really think if this rule was in place last year that Jalen wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to go to a top 5 power conference? Don’t you think that the feedback from the NBA included ‘we would have liked to see you against stronger competition for a full season.’ And if someone offered Carm $500k more a year he wouldn’t jump at it? We are talking about potential life changing opportunities. Would you pass them up, even if you loved where you were? Plus you have to consider that top athletes/coaches have a competitive nature and always want to prove themselves at the highest level possible. It’s what makes them so good in the first place. Personally I think this is an awful rule. If you want to make an exception for a coach that recruited you leaving, great. Otherwise you stay where you committed and if you decide to leave you pay the penalty. But if the rule goes through I don’t begrudge the players leveraging it to improve their future potential opportunities. I guess you don’t know Jalen or his family very well. I don’t believe he would have left Siena after last season regardless of this rule. Not saying he wouldn’t consider leaving but don’t think he would have.
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