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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 19, 2020 12:37:47 GMT -5
Goodbye Jalen Picket, Camper and Harris.... who do we get in return? Cassius Winston, luka Garza and Markus howard. not even a chance, never.....................
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Post by gorvy on Feb 19, 2020 13:16:15 GMT -5
Cassius Winston, luka Garza and Markus howard. not even a chance, never..................... 🤦‍♂️
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Post by $cott on Feb 19, 2020 13:18:03 GMT -5
Or, it could be a way for Siena to grab HM players not playing much to come back down to the MM range. Carm & Staff are already doing this now. Can you imagine who else we could get if the student didn’t have to sit out a year? I agree, it b CB oils hurt the mids the most but Carm could also use it to Siena’s advantage. Goodbye Jalen Picket, Camper and Harris.... who do we get in return? Harris could have gone to a big school out of high school if he wanted. If he leaves Siena it is because he's so far from home, not because he wants to move up. As good as Camper is at the midmajor level there is no power conference team in the country where he gets 30 minutes a night. They have equal athletes to him with more polished games. Pickett would certainly be a risk just as he is under the current rules. It really depends whether he feels his best path to playing professionally is as a star in the MAAC or as just another guy at a big school. There are benefits to both.
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Post by MTS on Feb 19, 2020 14:04:42 GMT -5
Goodbye Jalen Picket, Camper and Harris.... who do we get in return? Harris could have gone to a big school out of high school if he wanted. If he leaves Siena it is because he's so far from home, not because he wants to move up. As good as Camper is at the midmajor level there is no power conference team in the country where he gets 30 minutes a night. They have equal athletes to him with more polished games. Pickett would certainly be a risk just as he is under the current rules. It really depends whether he feels his best path to playing professionally is as a star in the MAAC or as just another guy at a big school. There are benefits to both. Heard Jalen is very happy at Siena and love Carm. Loves being the "man" in front of big crowds. I don't see him going to another school. If he leaves before he graduates will almost be to play for pay. But I do worry about the future....especially any frosh who has a very good year. However the flip side is HM guys will get run off for MM stars. It will just make recruiting harder. Thankfully we've got a hard working staff!
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Post by gorvy on Feb 19, 2020 14:08:15 GMT -5
New proposal: Four year auto scholarships and Loss of one year eligibility for each transfer. Less pressure on the kids with poaching and guaranteed education. Yeah, it's all about the students.... lol.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 19, 2020 14:26:04 GMT -5
Goodbye Jalen Picket, Camper and Harris.... who do we get in return? Harris could have gone to a big school out of high school if he wanted. If he leaves Siena it is because he's so far from home, not because he wants to move up. As good as Camper is at the midmajor level there is no power conference team in the country where he gets 30 minutes a night. They have equal athletes to him with more polished games. Pickett would certainly be a risk just as he is under the current rules. It really depends whether he feels his best path to playing professionally is as a star in the MAAC or as just another guy at a big school. There are benefits to both. as you know, no matter what we think doesn't matter...................and KIDS listen to those around them and let's face it, they get real sheety advice...............HS or AAU coaches tell them, hey you would be better off going here or going there........that happens more often than not, and kids make terrible decisions............old adage, grass isn't always greener, but most kids don't care because they don't have to mow it..............yo
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Feb 19, 2020 15:44:40 GMT -5
This will very likely be an LSI off-season topic so I'm not shooting my shot right now, but I'll just say this is a long overdue and not unwelcome change. It does right by the players. I also don't think it's all gloom and doom for mid-majors, they just need to correctly market themselves.
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Post by mrsiena on Feb 19, 2020 22:52:08 GMT -5
Losing your top players would cause the fans to go root for D2 Saint Rose or stop attending college hoops altogether.
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Post by $cott on Feb 19, 2020 23:01:55 GMT -5
Losing your top players would cause the fans to go root for D2 Saint Rose or stop attending college hoops altogether. Yup, remember all those fans that were so upset when Kojo Mensah and Al Fisher left that they never watched the Fran teams cause they were too busy watching St Rose games? Or that huge Roman Penn fanclub section in the St Rose gym?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 5:41:38 GMT -5
Losing your top players would cause the fans to go root for D2 Saint Rose or stop attending college hoops altogether. Yup, remember all those fans that were so upset when Kojo Mensah and Al Fisher left that they never watched the Fran teams cause they were too busy watching St Rose games? Or that huge Roman Penn fanclub section in the St Rose gym? These are both exaggerations but the thought that it won’t hurt mid majors is just ignoring the facts. All these kids who have enough talent to be poached will consider the option. We may just be left left with little fish in the little pond or the walking wounded.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 20, 2020 9:58:26 GMT -5
this rule now essentially becomes the 1 and done for mid-major players......................no, not the 1 year and then off to the NBA like you traditionally think, but 1 year at a mid-major than off to the power conference or higher rated school................again, kids make decisions on where they attend college, that is an agreement, and once that is broken then "some rules" should apply............and I am not saying it should always be "cut and dry" that a kid sits, pretty much like it is now, but how about you "evaluate" each transfer situation............as there are "hardship" scenarios where if the situation arises that the kid should be eligible immediately............maybe when the coach that recruited the kid takes another job, that player should have the right to move without sitting, just saying.............I just don't feel the "free movement" is at all in the best interest of college sports, and it certainly will not lower the transfer rate, egads who would believe that.......................
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Post by saintsfan12 on Feb 20, 2020 10:06:55 GMT -5
this rule now essentially becomes the 1 and done for mid-major players......................no, not the 1 year and then off to the NBA like you traditionally think, but 1 year at a mid-major than off to the power conference or higher rated school................again, kids make decisions on where they attend college, that is an agreement, and once that is broken then "some rules" should apply............and I am not saying it should always be "cut and dry" that a kid sits, pretty much like it is now, but how about you "evaluate" each transfer situation............as there are "hardship" scenarios where if the situation arises that the kid should be eligible immediately............maybe when the coach that recruited the kid takes another job, that player should have the right to move without sitting, just saying.............I just don't feel the "free movement" is at all in the best interest of college sports, and it certainly will not lower the transfer rate, egads who would believe that....................... Yeah good point, this basically turns mid majors into JUCOs
I've always thought the NCAA should allow an extra scholarship for every senior on the team, to incentivize players staying 4 years
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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 20, 2020 16:23:57 GMT -5
this rule now essentially becomes the 1 and done for mid-major players......................no, not the 1 year and then off to the NBA like you traditionally think, but 1 year at a mid-major than off to the power conference or higher rated school................again, kids make decisions on where they attend college, that is an agreement, and once that is broken then "some rules" should apply............and I am not saying it should always be "cut and dry" that a kid sits, pretty much like it is now, but how about you "evaluate" each transfer situation............as there are "hardship" scenarios where if the situation arises that the kid should be eligible immediately............maybe when the coach that recruited the kid takes another job, that player should have the right to move without sitting, just saying.............I just don't feel the "free movement" is at all in the best interest of college sports, and it certainly will not lower the transfer rate, egads who would believe that....................... Yeah good point, this basically turns mid majors into JUCOs I've always thought the NCAA should allow an extra scholarship for every senior on the team, to incentivize players staying 4 years
Random thoughts . . . If put into play wonder what will happen to the "graduation rate" . . . only positive the coffers of the universities will increase at the top . . . actually NCAA diluted Div I basketball by increasing the number in the ranks every year . . . anyone have the stats over for 2015, 2010, 2005 and 2000?
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Post by gorvy on Feb 20, 2020 16:43:15 GMT -5
Yeah good point, this basically turns mid majors into JUCOs I've always thought the NCAA should allow an extra scholarship for every senior on the team, to incentivize players staying 4 years
Random thoughts . . . If put into play wonder what will happen to the "graduation rate" . . . only positive the coffers of the universities will increase at the top . . . actually NCAA diluted Div I basketball by increasing the number in the ranks every year . . . anyone have the stats over for 2015, 2010, 2005 and 2000? I have been saying this for years... seems like more are finally getting on the bandwagon. IMO this is the biggest issue facing cb today... dilution of talent across the board... players coaches refs. In the year 2000 there were 318 teams. About 1-2 programs get added each year and it really adds up. The sweet spot occurred in the 1990s when there approximately 300 teams. Think about how much the better the level of overall play was back then. www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-mar-12-sp-8135-story.html%3f_amp=true
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 21, 2020 10:01:35 GMT -5
Or, it could be a way for Siena to grab HM players not playing much to come back down to the MM range. Carm & Staff are already doing this now. Can you imagine who else we could get if the student didn’t have to sit out a year? I agree, it b CB oils hurt the mids the most but Carm could also use it to Siena’s advantage. IS, your over the top positivity is clouding you from seeing this would be a huge blow to mid-majors and effectively just feed the bigger programs................Siena would never be able to keep a talented player, and the thoughts of a mass exodus of kids simply transferring down is simply a pipe dream.................we won't have to worry about sell outs anymore at the TUC, because we will need to go back to the ARC and perhaps even drop D1.............just terrible thinking by the NCAA overall................ That’s one way to look at it, I guess. But if Carm & staff continue to do their job as well as how they’ve been doing; I really don’t see any of his recruits wanting to go to the next level and would stay out of love for coach/staff &/or loyalty. If, however, some Siena players wanted to test the new rule (if implemented) then I say did we really want that person on our team for 4 years because they’re thinking about themselves over the team. Not saying those students are wrong but do we want them to stay in the team if they’re looking to leave for better program? I say let them leave. As for the high majors “poaching” from mids that should be illegal w/wo this passing. The difference is one’s the kid’s decision and the other is the High major recruiting a player already in a team w/ship. JMO.
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