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Post by siena77 on Jan 4, 2020 11:56:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 12:39:28 GMT -5
GW currently has the 2nd to worst Kenpom ranking in the A-10. I think on his good years, he'll middle. That won't cut it in the A-10. I think he'll be fired at some point down the line. Best case for him is probably that he does just well enough to get another D1 job on the way back down. |
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Post by bigfan on Jan 4, 2020 13:48:28 GMT -5
I hated how JC left, but no one can deny that he got way more out of last year's roster than any of us realistically expected. Degnan and Fisher, in particular, were utilized spectacularly relative to what we had come to expect from them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 14:19:27 GMT -5
I hated how JC left, but no one can deny that he got way more out of last year's roster than any of us realistically expected. Degnan and Fisher, in particular, were utilized spectacularly relative to what we had come to expect from them. JC has a high floor, but a low ceiling. That's how I see him. Don't think that ceiling is high enough to please an A-10 program. I feel that Siena upgraded at head coach. |
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Post by indian82 on Jan 4, 2020 14:39:16 GMT -5
I hated how JC left, but no one can deny that he got way more out of last year's roster than any of us realistically expected. Degnan and Fisher, in particular, were utilized spectacularly relative to what we had come to expect from them. JC has a high floor, but a low ceiling. That's how I see him. Don't think that ceiling is high enough to please an A-10 program. I feel that Siena upgraded at head coach. I hope you’re right. It’s early but i like what I’ve seen so far. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 14:48:43 GMT -5
JC has a high floor, but a low ceiling. That's how I see him. Don't think that ceiling is high enough to please an A-10 program. I feel that Siena upgraded at head coach. I hope you’re right. It’s early but i like what I’ve seen so far. 11-12 more wins this year and a couple key recruits and Carm might have almost already succeeded for the next 2-3 years. Maybe they don't get to the NCAAs but the record will be there. He's only a couple players stepping up on the bench this year from potentially setting up a Pickett dynasty. Establishing a program is half the battle. While we have Pickett, the rest of the MAAC is tripping over themselves to find even decent PGs. Unless that changes, Carm is already winning the war. We're just arguing over the lesser battles at this point. |
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Post by MTS on Jan 4, 2020 15:00:13 GMT -5
I hope you’re right. It’s early but i like what I’ve seen so far. 11-12 more wins this year and a couple key recruits and Carm might have almost already succeeded for the next 2-3 years. Maybe they don't get to the NCAAs but the record will be there. He's only a couple players stepping up on the bench this year from potentially setting up a Pickett dynasty. Establishing a program is half the battle. While we have Pickett, the rest of the MAAC is tripping over themselves to find even decent PGs. Unless that changes, Carm is already winning the war. We're just arguing over the lesser battles at this point. All the pressure will be on Rider to win the championship this year. I think Siena will have a chance. Another wildcard is Iona when/if Cluess comes back (BTW- Good to hear it's not a life threatening situation). Maybe Quinnipiac/Monmouth also figure in. Assuming Pickett comes back (he's not getting drafted this year and he said he wants to graduate from here so I think he will) and we replace Burns (obviously no easy task) I think Siena will be the favorite next year. Harris and King will be better...hopefully Young gets better (Sutherland I'm not sure what's up). Carpenter, Golson especially should be nice additions are ready to play. BK might take time. We will have much more depth next year and you know Carm and staff are hard working and not done recruiting by a long shot. Another grad transfer big man would be nice! Carm has had some bumpy things but he's also growing which is very encouraging. I'm more willing to understanding him making mistakes as long as he learns from them then other coaches who had been head coaches before (which was our past four coaches) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 15:09:56 GMT -5
11-12 more wins this year and a couple key recruits and Carm might have almost already succeeded for the next 2-3 years. Maybe they don't get to the NCAAs but the record will be there. He's only a couple players stepping up on the bench this year from potentially setting up a Pickett dynasty. Establishing a program is half the battle. While we have Pickett, the rest of the MAAC is tripping over themselves to find even decent PGs. Unless that changes, Carm is already winning the war. We're just arguing over the lesser battles at this point. All the pressure will be on Rider to win the championship this year. I think Siena will have a chance. Another wildcard is Iona when/if Cluess comes back (BTW- Good to hear it's not a life threatening situation). Maybe Quinnipiac/Monmouth also figure in. Assuming Pickett comes back (he's not getting drafted this year and he said he wants to graduate from here so I think he will) and we replace Burns (obviously no easy task) I think Siena will be the favorite next year. Carm has had some bumpy things but he's also growing which is very encouraging. I'm more willing to understanding him making mistakes as long as he learns from them then other coaches who had been head coaches before (which was our past four coaches) It's early now and losing Burns offensive efficiency is really tough. However, Carm can go for the jugular with this class. If he gets it done right, I don't see a team yet (unless McKeithan and Co are studs right away as frosh), that will be as good as Rider is this year. There will be some maneuvering and a team might jump to Siena's current level but I don't see a top 150 out of the rest of the MAAC right now. Teams/coaches are just not that well rounded. With Carpenter and another guard plus 3-4 more bigs who are more athletic than what we currently have behind Burns....Siena could/should rise even more on both sides of the ball. I just don't see that from most of the MAAC. So far, Baggett seems like the only other guy who really seems to have his act together on the recruiting trail right now....and the ability to play 2 way ball. Cluess' situation would need to resolve fast for them to get back into the hunt for next year. Dunleavy can't coach defense. Not yet sure if Holloway, Masiello, and Young can coach offense...and Reggie loses Malik who is the only real steadying presence they have right now. With the right choices, Siena seems to be in the driver's seat for the next 2 years. Carm can go for the throat right now. |
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Post by siena77 on Jan 4, 2020 16:38:48 GMT -5
Agree completely that we're better with Carm as coach, especially because he's a Siena guy who may want to stay even when bigger programs come knocking after he's successful here. I love his and his staff's recruiting so far, and Carm does seem to be getting his legs on game prep and in-game decision-making.
I also hated the way Jamion left us after 1 year. I don't think it was a classy thing to do. But he seems a good guy overall, a very good leader of young men, and I do think he'll be successful at GW and climb the ladder again after he establishes a strong program there.
I wish him the best--he did an awesome job of coaching us last year after the debacle of the prior years of the Patsos-Mitch Error.
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Post by Tony on Jan 5, 2020 5:43:24 GMT -5
I wish Jamion nothing but the best- he started the turn around at Siena for sure. He definitely laid the ground work at Siena bringing in Jalen/Don and Elijah ( although Carm played a part in 2 of the 3) But as far as I'm concerned JC is in the rear view mirror. Carm seems to be getting better as a coach every day, and this staff can really recruit. As others have mentioned we are one or two key recruits away from a really nice run. Lets see how the year goes as far as wins and new recruits. The jury is still out on Carm, I like where we sit today ( regardless of what happens today at Rider) Our overall talent level continues to get back to where it should be, Carm seems to have a good idea on how he wants team to play. I'll re-evaluate if we are better off with Carm next spring, after a full a season of coaching and he completes his spring recruiting class, very well may be the case that we have upgraded, although I think its a bit premature to proclaim that right now. But man love the direction the program is headed, I couldn't be happier to have one of our own leading the program !!
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Post by dacks on Jan 5, 2020 10:40:06 GMT -5
I wish Jamion nothing but the best- he started the turn around at Siena for sure. He definitely laid the ground work at Siena bringing in Jalen/Don and Elijah ( although Carm played a part in 2 of the 3) But as far as I'm concerned JC is in the rear view mirror. Carm seems to be getting better as a coach every day, and this staff can really recruit. As others have mentioned we are one or two key recruits away from a really nice run. Lets see how the year goes as far as wins and new recruits. The jury is still out on Carm, I like where we sit today ( regardless of what happens today at Rider) Our overall talent level continues to get back to where it should be, Carm seems to have a good idea on how he wants team to play. I'll re-evaluate if we are better off with Carm next spring, after a full a season of coaching and he completes his spring recruiting class, very well may be the case that we have upgraded, although I think its a bit premature to proclaim that right now. But man love the direction the program is headed, I couldn't be happier to have one of our own leading the program !! Agree on the wait-and-see approach for judging Carm. As a first time head coach I am giving him the year to learn on the job, then will start really assessing him once next year's team really takes shape in January/February. I like what I have seen so far, but like anyone starting a new job I'm sure he is continuing to learn more every day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 12:21:55 GMT -5
I wish Jamion nothing but the best- he started the turn around at Siena for sure. He definitely laid the ground work at Siena bringing in Jalen/Don and Elijah ( although Carm played a part in 2 of the 3) But as far as I'm concerned JC is in the rear view mirror. Carm seems to be getting better as a coach every day, and this staff can really recruit. As others have mentioned we are one or two key recruits away from a really nice run. Lets see how the year goes as far as wins and new recruits. The jury is still out on Carm, I like where we sit today ( regardless of what happens today at Rider) Our overall talent level continues to get back to where it should be, Carm seems to have a good idea on how he wants team to play. I'll re-evaluate if we are better off with Carm next spring, after a full a season of coaching and he completes his spring recruiting class, very well may be the case that we have upgraded, although I think its a bit premature to proclaim that right now. But man love the direction the program is headed, I couldn't be happier to have one of our own leading the program !! Knowing what style of play you want and effectively recruiting to it is about 90% of coaching. This is how you succeed. Many coaches seem to have no plan. Masiello is a great example. He likes to press to win turnover margin but he can’t recruit guards or long wings to save his life. |
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Post by $cott on Jan 5, 2020 15:30:43 GMT -5
I wish Jamion nothing but the best- he started the turn around at Siena for sure. He definitely laid the ground work at Siena bringing in Jalen/Don and Elijah ( although Carm played a part in 2 of the 3) But as far as I'm concerned JC is in the rear view mirror. Carm seems to be getting better as a coach every day, and this staff can really recruit. As others have mentioned we are one or two key recruits away from a really nice run. Lets see how the year goes as far as wins and new recruits. The jury is still out on Carm, I like where we sit today ( regardless of what happens today at Rider) Our overall talent level continues to get back to where it should be, Carm seems to have a good idea on how he wants team to play. I'll re-evaluate if we are better off with Carm next spring, after a full a season of coaching and he completes his spring recruiting class, very well may be the case that we have upgraded, although I think its a bit premature to proclaim that right now. But man love the direction the program is headed, I couldn't be happier to have one of our own leading the program !! Knowing what style of play you want and effectively recruiting to it is about 90% of coaching. This is how you succeed. Many coaches seem to have no plan. Masiello is a great example. He likes to press to win turnover margin but he can’t recruit guards or long wings to save his life. Masiello is still coaching like they never put the point of emphasis on calling hand checks a few years back. |
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jan 6, 2020 11:31:59 GMT -5
Jamion has taken a lot of fringe A10 recruits. He better hit on some of these guys because if not, he's stuck with a lot of dead weight.
Hunter Dean, Jameer Nelson, Shawn Walker, Sloan Seymour, Lincoln Ball were all Siena recruits. Dean and Seymour are proven to be average at best D1 rotation players. For as much of a rah-rah guy as he is, he doesn't seem to be crushing it in recruiting.
GW is also below Fordham now in KenPom.
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Post by MTS on Jan 6, 2020 13:18:43 GMT -5
Jamion has taken a lot of fringe A10 recruits. He better hit on some of these guys because if not, he's stuck with a lot of dead weight. Hunter Dean, Jameer Nelson, Shawn Walker, Sloan Seymour, Lincoln Ball were all Siena recruits. Dean and Seymour are proven to be average at best D1 rotation players. For as much of a rah-rah guy as he is, he doesn't seem to be crushing it in recruiting. GW is also below Fordham now in KenPom. Yes time will tell who is the better coach Carm or JC. Right now JC has a solid resume - he did a very good job last year. I think Carm has a higher ceiling and as some have mentioned if successful he would be the guy who could stay a decade. JC probably has a higher floor because he's done it for several years. You know he'll at least get you competitive. I think Carm is growing into a coach. His recruiting looks very good. His bench coaching is improving. Remember he's our first HC without D1 head coaching experience (or any HC experience for that matter) since Rob Lanier. It's been a while we've had a head coach in his first job as the man. |
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