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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 0:38:24 GMT -5
This conference is pitiful
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Post by gorvy on Nov 19, 2019 6:35:47 GMT -5
Too many teams brought up from lower conferences so now we are a lower conference. Harder to separate from the other conferences as the NCAA expanded d1 teams. The insistence on guarantee games to fill the schedule Pretty much guarantees the continuance of $0 NCAA tournament revenue down the road.
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Post by mike60 on Nov 19, 2019 8:14:19 GMT -5
Gorvy, I'm sure I should now this but what does getting money from Ncaa tournament games have to do with guarantee games?
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Post by indian82 on Nov 19, 2019 8:50:28 GMT -5
Gorvy, I'm sure I should now this but what does getting money from Ncaa tournament games have to do with guarantee games? I had a similar question. Doesn't conf get money just for the auto bid and more for any wins (I know...I know)?
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Post by $cott on Nov 19, 2019 10:21:43 GMT -5
Gorvy, I'm sure I should now this but what does getting money from Ncaa tournament games have to do with guarantee games? I had a similar question. Doesn't conf get money just for the auto bid and more for any wins (I know...I know)? We can never get no teams in the tourney so presumably all schools are already budgeting for the NCAA money for one team and one round. Where the conference thrives is when we get two teams in the tournament or have a team win a game. Then the MAAC gets all sorts of bonus money that should help lift the league and make teams less reliant on the guarantee games.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 19, 2019 10:57:43 GMT -5
I had a similar question. Doesn't conf get money just for the auto bid and more for any wins (I know...I know)? We can never get no teams in the tourney so presumably all schools are already budgeting for the NCAA money for one team and one round. Where the conference thrives is when we get two teams in the tournament or have a team win a game. Then the MAAC gets all sorts of bonus money that should help lift the league and make teams less reliant on the guarantee games. Understood, but thats a rarity even when the conference is 'good', i.e., ranked much higher. Correct me if I am wrong. Havent looked, but how many times in the last 20-25 years have we had an At Large bid? My memory isn't very good.
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Post by $cott on Nov 19, 2019 11:21:22 GMT -5
We can never get no teams in the tourney so presumably all schools are already budgeting for the NCAA money for one team and one round. Where the conference thrives is when we get two teams in the tournament or have a team win a game. Then the MAAC gets all sorts of bonus money that should help lift the league and make teams less reliant on the guarantee games. Understood, but thats a rarity even when the conference is 'good', i.e., ranked much higher. Correct me if I am wrong. Havent looked, but how many times in the last 20-25 years have we had an At Large bid? My memory isn't very good. MAAC got an at large in 1995 and 2012. Monmouth came close recently and there were years that Siena and LaSalle would have certainly got one if they didn't win the conference tournament. At this point we have no recent at larges and no recent teams to win in the NCAAs. That means we are getting the same amount of money as every other low major conference. As long as that cycle continues we will continue to be a low major conference. Hopefully Siena is primed to break the wheel and bring the conference back to midmajor level.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 19, 2019 12:32:01 GMT -5
Understood, but thats a rarity even when the conference is 'good', i.e., ranked much higher. Correct me if I am wrong. Havent looked, but how many times in the last 20-25 years have we had an At Large bid? My memory isn't very good. MAAC got an at large in 1995 and 2012. Monmouth came close recently and there were years that Siena and LaSalle would have certainly got one if they didn't win the conference tournament. At this point we have no recent at larges and no recent teams to win in the NCAAs. That means we are getting the same amount of money as every other low major conference. As long as that cycle continues we will continue to be a low major conference. Hopefully Siena is primed to break the wheel and bring the conference back to midmajor level. Understood and agreed.
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Post by diamonddog on Nov 20, 2019 5:39:48 GMT -5
Monday November 18th Monmouth 50 @ Pittsburgh 63 Bryant 73 @ Niagara 62 0-2 Overall:10-24 Tuesday November 19th Manhattan 57 @ Samford 70 Fairfield 55 @ Maryland 74 0-2 Overall: 10-26
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Post by diamonddog on Nov 20, 2019 22:03:09 GMT -5
Wednesday November 20th
Losers
See Siena thread Rider 72 @ UMass 82 Wagner 81 @ St Peters 77 OT
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Overall: 10-29
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Post by gorvy on Nov 20, 2019 22:21:50 GMT -5
O for last 9, seven were on the road.
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Post by $cott on Nov 21, 2019 16:04:29 GMT -5
Big weekend coming up for the MAAC where they actually have some home and neutral games they need to win. Quinnipiac is hosting a round robin tournament where based on Massey Ratings their odds to win are Albany (56%), Presbyterian (56%), and Sacred Heart (63%). Iona and Monmouth are going to the MAAC/ASUN challenge where they each play Stetson and Kennesaw State in Orlando. Iona has a 78% and 83% chance in those games while Monmouth is 68% and 74%. Rider faces Columbia (47%) at Mohegan Sun and then depending whether they win or lose will play Vermont or Central Connecticut State. Canisius hosts St Bonaventure (26%) and Marist hosts The Citadel (58%). Manhattan is the only one with a road game against a D1 opponent taking on Elon (29%). Embarrassingly St Peter's is playing at Caldwell College on Sunday and are only 57% to win. If the MAAC wants to be anything but low major they need at minimum 9-4 and should really do better than that.
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Post by MTS on Nov 21, 2019 16:11:07 GMT -5
Big weekend coming up for the MAAC where they actually have some home and neutral games they need to win. Quinnipiac is hosting a round robin tournament where based on Massey Ratings their odds to win are Albany (56%), Presbyterian (56%), and Sacred Heart (63%). Iona and Monmouth are going to the MAAC/ASUN challenge where they each play Stetson and Kennesaw State in Orlando. Iona has a 78% and 83% chance in those games while Monmouth is 68% and 74%. Rider faces Columbia (47%) at Mohegan Sun and then depending whether they win or lose will play Vermont or Central Connecticut State. Canisius hosts St Bonaventure (26%) and Marist hosts The Citadel (58%). Manhattan is the only one with a road game against a D1 opponent taking on Elon (29%). Embarrassingly St Peter's is playing at Caldwell College on Sunday and are only 57% to win. If the MAAC wants to be anything but low major they need at minimum 9-4 and should really do better than that. And Siena has to do their part too (along with Rider/Iona/QU)...we need minimum 5-4 in the OOC but going 4-0 and finishing 6-3 would be nice too. I think Siena might be the best team in the league and if you are the best team in the league you have to finish with a winning non-league record. That's what killed the MAAC last year - the top teams stinking in the OOC. The middle to bottom is always going to struggle.
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Post by gorvy on Nov 21, 2019 18:00:00 GMT -5
Big weekend coming up for the MAAC where they actually have some home and neutral games they need to win. Quinnipiac is hosting a round robin tournament where based on Massey Ratings their odds to win are Albany (56%), Presbyterian (56%), and Sacred Heart (63%). Iona and Monmouth are going to the MAAC/ASUN challenge where they each play Stetson and Kennesaw State in Orlando. Iona has a 78% and 83% chance in those games while Monmouth is 68% and 74%. Rider faces Columbia (47%) at Mohegan Sun and then depending whether they win or lose will play Vermont or Central Connecticut State. Canisius hosts St Bonaventure (26%) and Marist hosts The Citadel (58%). Manhattan is the only one with a road game against a D1 opponent taking on Elon (29%). Embarrassingly St Peter's is playing at Caldwell College on Sunday and are only 57% to win. If the MAAC wants to be anything but low major they need at minimum 9-4 and should really do better than that. just the fact that they agreed to do a neutral site tourney against the Atlantic sun screams low Major. This conference used to be mid major but lost its way.
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Post by $cott on Nov 22, 2019 10:32:45 GMT -5
Big weekend coming up for the MAAC where they actually have some home and neutral games they need to win. Quinnipiac is hosting a round robin tournament where based on Massey Ratings their odds to win are Albany (56%), Presbyterian (56%), and Sacred Heart (63%). Iona and Monmouth are going to the MAAC/ASUN challenge where they each play Stetson and Kennesaw State in Orlando. Iona has a 78% and 83% chance in those games while Monmouth is 68% and 74%. Rider faces Columbia (47%) at Mohegan Sun and then depending whether they win or lose will play Vermont or Central Connecticut State. Canisius hosts St Bonaventure (26%) and Marist hosts The Citadel (58%). Manhattan is the only one with a road game against a D1 opponent taking on Elon (29%). Embarrassingly St Peter's is playing at Caldwell College on Sunday and are only 57% to win. If the MAAC wants to be anything but low major they need at minimum 9-4 and should really do better than that. just the fact that they agreed to do a neutral site tourney against the Atlantic sun screams low Major. This conference used to be mid major but lost its way. It would have been fine if the Atlantic Sun sent Liberty and either North Florida or Lipscomb. That they sent their two worst teams is what makes this event so bad.
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