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Post by Quackman on Jan 3, 2019 8:10:31 GMT -5
Yup, there are no perfect players at the MAAC level. But, to listen to you, guys that you like (Tommy Mitchell, Joel Winkowski, Georges) have no or limited weaknesses but guys you don't like (Haddix, JP's class that graduated 2 years ago, Fisher) suck because of your perception of their weaknesses. The best you can do is give them backhanded compliments when they do something good. Yup those are the only players I like. Foolish comment. Mitchell went on to be a star in Canada and got NBA tryouts Wincowski had ability but preferred weed Darwiche is coming around. I also was a Clarence Jackson fan. Al fisher, Alex Franklin, among many others. I tend not to like players with swollen sense of worth. Players who are as bad on one side of the ball as they think they are good on the other. Fishers attitude has changed some since he came to siena but he started his career in this group. Worst offenders... Haddix and the king of the group... Evan hymes. Career records often say a lot Thank you for further illustrating my point.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 3, 2019 9:29:36 GMT -5
Yup those are the only players I like. Foolish comment. Mitchell went on to be a star in Canada and got NBA tryouts Wincowski had ability but preferred weed Darwiche is coming around. I also was a Clarence Jackson fan. Al fisher, Alex Franklin, among many others. I tend not to like players with swollen sense of worth. Players who are as bad on one side of the ball as they think they are good on the other. Fishers attitude has changed some since he came to siena but he started his career in this group. Worst offenders... Haddix and the king of the group... Evan hymes. Career records often say a lot Thank you for further illustrating my point. for not fluffing every player. Not my style. I'll leave the fluffing to you. I call them like I see them
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Post by Quackman on Jan 3, 2019 9:36:50 GMT -5
Thank you for further illustrating my point. for not fluffing every player. Not my style. I'll leave the fluffing to you. I call them like I see them Don't sell yourself short, you do plenty of fluffing.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 3, 2019 9:57:42 GMT -5
and lets be clear... many of the players I referenced as disliking.... didn't suck. They were either A) Not what we are use to in recruiting here at Siena (talent) and or B) personality detriments to TEAM concepts. As we saw throughout Patsos career in particular... they had glaring issues (either talent or personality issues) which is often why they wound up with the minimalist recruiter Patsos.
Long, Hymes, Clareth fall into that group.
I pick underdogs on each team to root for. Guys who are giving it their all, doing whatever is asked of them, perhaps not the highest level recruit signed. I also like any player, highly recruited or otherwise, that isn't in it all for themselves.
Bringing it back around to the topic at hand... lets be real here... if it wasnt for pickett in particular, fisher's looking just like he always has. Relatively solid offensive player with very little quickness and defensive ability, a typical lower D1 level recruit.
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Post by $cott on Jan 3, 2019 10:28:06 GMT -5
and lets be clear... many of the players I referenced as disliking.... didn't suck. They were either A) Not what we are use to in recruiting here at Siena (talent) and or B) personality detriments to TEAM concepts. As we saw throughout Patsos career in particular... they had glaring issues (either talent or personality issues) which is often why they wound up with the minimalist recruiter Patsos. Long, Hymes, Clareth fall into that group. I pick underdogs on each team to root for. Guys who are giving it their all, doing whatever is asked of them, perhaps not the highest level recruit signed. I also like any player, highly recruited or otherwise, that isn't in it all for themselves. Bringing it back around to the topic at hand... lets be real here... if it wasnt for pickett in particular, fisher's looking just like he always has. Relatively solid offensive player with very little quickness and defensive ability, a typical lower D1 level recruit. Got to disagree there. Fisher has been making moves and shots that have absolutely nothing to do with Pickett and that he would have never made last year. Whether or not you like him as a defensive player his offensive game is light years ahead of last year even without Pickett.
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Post by musicman on Jan 3, 2019 10:47:39 GMT -5
and lets be clear... many of the players I referenced as disliking.... didn't suck. They were either A) Not what we are use to in recruiting here at Siena (talent) and or B) personality detriments to TEAM concepts. As we saw throughout Patsos career in particular... they had glaring issues (either talent or personality issues) which is often why they wound up with the minimalist recruiter Patsos. Long, Hymes, Clareth fall into that group. I pick underdogs on each team to root for. Guys who are giving it their all, doing whatever is asked of them, perhaps not the highest level recruit signed. I also like any player, highly recruited or otherwise, that isn't in it all for themselves. Bringing it back around to the topic at hand... lets be real here... if it wasnt for pickett in particular, fisher's looking just like he always has. Relatively solid offensive player with very little quickness and defensive ability, a typical lower D1 level recruit. Got to disagree there. Fisher has been making moves and shots that have absolutely nothing to do with Pickett and that he would have never made last year. Whether or not you like him as a defensive player his offensive game is light years ahead of last year even without Pickett. True. This staff has tried to limit Evan's offensive game to mostly his strengths. As we watch him perform this year you get the feeling that Evan, with the staff's help, has finally figuring out what he is good at and where he isn't. Let's say he has found his niche, and it's inside ten feet of the basket. And he's pretty effective at it!
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Post by hoopdad on Jan 3, 2019 11:38:35 GMT -5
and lets be clear... many of the players I referenced as disliking.... didn't suck. They were either A) Not what we are use to in recruiting here at Siena (talent) and or B) personality detriments to TEAM concepts. As we saw throughout Patsos career in particular... they had glaring issues (either talent or personality issues) which is often why they wound up with the minimalist recruiter Patsos. Long, Hymes, Clareth fall into that group. I pick underdogs on each team to root for. Guys who are giving it their all, doing whatever is asked of them, perhaps not the highest level recruit signed. I also like any player, highly recruited or otherwise, that isn't in it all for themselves. Bringing it back around to the topic at hand... lets be real here... if it wasnt for pickett in particular, fisher's looking just like he always has. Relatively solid offensive player with very little quickness and defensive ability, a typical lower D1 level recruit. This post is off base on so many levels, demonstrates a real lack of true knowledge of the game of college basketball and an understanding of the typical type of player who ends up in the MAAC.
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Post by olddave on Jan 3, 2019 14:13:08 GMT -5
and lets be clear... many of the players I referenced as disliking.... didn't suck. They were either A) Not what we are use to in recruiting here at Siena (talent) and or B) personality detriments to TEAM concepts. As we saw throughout Patsos career in particular... they had glaring issues (either talent or personality issues) which is often why they wound up with the minimalist recruiter Patsos. Long, Hymes, Clareth fall into that group. I pick underdogs on each team to root for. Guys who are giving it their all, doing whatever is asked of them, perhaps not the highest level recruit signed. I also like any player, highly recruited or otherwise, that isn't in it all for themselves. Bringing it back around to the topic at hand... lets be real here... if it wasnt for pickett in particular, fisher's looking just like he always has. Relatively solid offensive player with very little quickness and defensive ability, a typical lower D1 level recruit. This post is off base on so many levels, demonstrates a real lack of true knowledge of the game of college basketball and an understanding of the typical type of player who ends up in the MAAC. Yes what many are missing here is that hoop is a 5 man team sport. If you have a Pickett and the other team needs to stop him, Evan is open more especially where he is playing this year. That being said under the current staff he has grown his game and leadership and should be commended on that. Just as much as he can feed off Pickett , Pickett needs Evan,. Would certainly help for a few others to step up and be more consistent, than EVan could really go to town.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 4, 2019 11:25:33 GMT -5
and lets be clear... many of the players I referenced as disliking.... didn't suck. They were either A) Not what we are use to in recruiting here at Siena (talent) and or B) personality detriments to TEAM concepts. As we saw throughout Patsos career in particular... they had glaring issues (either talent or personality issues) which is often why they wound up with the minimalist recruiter Patsos. Long, Hymes, Clareth fall into that group. I pick underdogs on each team to root for. Guys who are giving it their all, doing whatever is asked of them, perhaps not the highest level recruit signed. I also like any player, highly recruited or otherwise, that isn't in it all for themselves. Bringing it back around to the topic at hand... lets be real here... if it wasnt for pickett in particular, fisher's looking just like he always has. Relatively solid offensive player with very little quickness and defensive ability, a typical lower D1 level recruit. This post is off base on so many levels, demonstrates a real lack of true knowledge of the game of college basketball and an understanding of the typical type of player who ends up in the MAAC. going for idiotic post of the year this early in 2019? seems you have zero clue as to the normal talent level recruited here. Of course perhaps youve begun to accept the last 8 years as the "new normal". Siena RARELY recruited players with severe character flaws and or traits that worked against the team. The talent level of recruits has dropped off significantly. The last two coaches recruited character flaws and talent deficient with regularity. That is why the program is in the state it is in and a big contributor to the demise of the MAAC. your own post in the st peters game thread talks about how bad the talent level is. Most of the starters on this team are 6th 7th man at best on teams we are more accustomed to... well not most... all except Pickett.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 4, 2019 11:26:40 GMT -5
This post is off base on so many levels, demonstrates a real lack of true knowledge of the game of college basketball and an understanding of the typical type of player who ends up in the MAAC. Yes what many are missing here is that hoop is a 5 man team sport. If you have a Pickett and the other team needs to stop him, Evan is open more especially where he is playing this year. That being said under the current staff he has grown his game and leadership and should be commended on that. Just as much as he can feed off Pickett , Pickett needs Evan,. Would certainly help for a few others to step up and be more consistent, than EVan could really go to town. getting Burns eligible would go a long way toward hiding Fisher's defensive issues.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 6, 2019 20:03:50 GMT -5
maybe these 2 can grab the awards again after this weeks action.............Fisher avg 22pts-11.5rebs.........and Pickett avg 15pts-9.5 assts..........in the two games played this week..................
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 6, 2019 22:16:43 GMT -5
maybe these 2 can grab the awards again after this weeks action.............Fisher avg 22pts-11.5rebs.........and Pickett avg 15pts-9.5 assts..........in the two games played this week.................. I know the coach and possibly the players’s themselves don’t take too much stock in these awards but I (and I think many Siena fans) love it when our players are highlighted. I know I sure do.
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Post by greenblood on Jan 7, 2019 10:48:20 GMT -5
I applaud them as well, but it has to translate into taking over games and winning or it really doesn't mean much. In fact, with the league so pitiful this year, it's even more important that when you can sweep POW and ROW you put the teams you played away. You don't get to post season play by being POW or ROW mulitple times throughout the season. Just MHO.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 7, 2019 10:51:47 GMT -5
Agreed. I remember in the late 90's Loyola fans arguing that Jason Rowe should be POY based on his stats despite never finishing with a winning records or in the top half of the MAAC.
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Post by $cott on Jan 7, 2019 10:56:36 GMT -5
It will go to someone on the 2-0 teams, likely Ricky McGill with both Molson and Reese from Canisius also having a shot.
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