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Post by Tony on Oct 20, 2012 16:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by MTS on Oct 20, 2012 19:32:34 GMT -5
Could happen too if the MAAC wants to go to 12 teams and they offer and accept. If Siena isn't going anyplace then the next best thing is to get the MAAC stronger.
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Post by siena77 on Oct 20, 2012 19:56:25 GMT -5
I'd love to see those 3 teams in the MAAC too. I just don't have any confidence in the MAAC leadership to cut a deal like that. Maybe they'll surprise me...
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Post by Sienafan on Oct 21, 2012 1:08:20 GMT -5
You guys can forget any CAA teams ever joining the MAAC. The CAA exit fee is now $1 million. No one is paying that to come to the MAAC, where there would be no return on such an expenditure.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Oct 21, 2012 8:07:18 GMT -5
Enrollment size is a criteria for the MAAC, according to Ensor's June interview with SienaSaintsBlog. He wants MAAC schools to be close to an average 4,000 undergrad enrollment. Hofstra could possibly be close enough with 7,631 undergrads, but Northeastern and Drexel are both much larger research universities. But yeah, the exit fee is the deal breaker. It seems that those three schools don't mind being geographically isolated. They could have possibly gotten Stony Brook and New Hampshire to join as all-sports members of the CAA, but they don't seem to see those schools as their equals. It's the same way Boston College blocked Connecticut from joining the ACC, even though it would have been a good rivalry. They want to own New England. Northeastern universities are terribly catty.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Oct 21, 2012 18:09:39 GMT -5
While it would be great to see the MAAC add schools of such caliber, it concurrently brings a larger pool of teams to a traditionally one bid league. I would love to see the MAAC improve with the addition of quality programs, but I wouldn't necessarily want the league to balloon to 12 members.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Oct 21, 2012 19:05:43 GMT -5
In the age of the 68-team bracket, maybe the MAAC doesn't have to be a one-bid league anymore.
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Post by glen on Oct 22, 2012 11:08:21 GMT -5
A UA guy in the other part of the forum seemed to imply that they could be heading to the CAA in all sports not just FB. The upside is their RPI would improve. The downside is that we'd be in more direct competition for the same talent. The MAAC really can't sit by and let events happen. They need to take a little more control IMO. That million dollar buyout definitely puts the CAA teams on hold - certainly with regard to joining a peer (or slight step down) conference. Siena needs to find a spot for themselves somewhere where it is advantageous.
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Post by Tony on Oct 22, 2012 11:29:29 GMT -5
A UA guy in the other part of the forum seemed to imply that they could be heading to the CAA in all sports not just FB. The upside is their RPI would improve. The downside is that we'd be in more direct competition for the same talent. The MAAC really can't sit by and let events happen. They need to take a little more control IMO. That million dollar buyout definitely puts the CAA teams on hold - certainly with regard to joining a peer (or slight step down) conference. Siena needs to find a spot for themselves somewhere where it is advantageous. I have no idea if there is anything to a UA to CAA in all sports. But anything is possible; it would help out Northeastern and Hofstra who are isolated in Northeast. Most of the CAA schools have basketball budgets twice that of UA- so it would be a big commitment on UA’s part to join the CAA- but if they did and were successful ( a big if) they would in a matter of time go by Siena has the premiere basketball program in the capital district ( as long as Siena stayed in MAAC )
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Post by MTS on Oct 22, 2012 11:33:09 GMT -5
A UA guy in the other part of the forum seemed to imply that they could be heading to the CAA in all sports not just FB. The upside is their RPI would improve. The downside is that we'd be in more direct competition for the same talent. The MAAC really can't sit by and let events happen. They need to take a little more control IMO. That million dollar buyout definitely puts the CAA teams on hold - certainly with regard to joining a peer (or slight step down) conference. Siena needs to find a spot for themselves somewhere where it is advantageous. I have no idea if there is anything to a UA to CAA in all sports. But anything is possible; it would help out Northeastern and Hofstra who are isolated in Northeast. Most of the CAA schools have basketball budgets twice that of UA- so it would be a big commitment on UA’s part to join the CAA- but if they did and were successful ( a big if) they would in a matter of time go by Siena has the premiere basketball program in the capital district ( as long as Siena stayed in MAAC ) Only if they won more than Siena. The CAA isn't the same league without VCU and ODU. Sure UA would be upgrading but if they were Towson who would care? Big jump for UA to join the CAA (even the waterdown version) since they haven't done anything in the AE without Jamar Wilson.
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Post by gorvy on Oct 22, 2012 12:40:12 GMT -5
I have long held out that Ua would surpass us when they were invited to a better conference.
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Post by albanysaint on Oct 22, 2012 12:45:53 GMT -5
Siena should not wait on the MAAC to dictate moves. Siena needs to look out for Siena. The MAAC has already shown they could care less what Siena brings to the MAAC.
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Post by MTS on Oct 22, 2012 14:28:28 GMT -5
I have long held out that Ua would surpass us when they were invited to a better conference. I guess it depends on how you define "surpass"... success wise UA is about 15-20 years of surpassing Siena. Attendance wise/coverage maybe but that's still a while off. The CAA is now very close to the MAAC. Losing VCU and ODU knocks that conference down a lot. George Mason and Drexel are good but it's not on the same level not even close. Doesn't matter what conference you're in if you don't win.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Oct 22, 2012 22:02:13 GMT -5
Well, look at Xavier in Cincinnati, OH. The University of Cincinnati has been in the Big East since 2005 and is no slouch in NCAA Tournament performance, and yet Xavier (an A-10 member) is quite successful on their own and actually outdraws UC in attendance. A strong program is strong regardless of conference.
I'm not convinced that the CAA is a great conference without VCU or ODU, and also without Davidson who told them no. I'll be interested in seeing what the MAAC does with expansion.
It's possible there could be another opening in the A-10 soon. Evansville is flirting with leaving the tough Missouri Valley Conference for the more geographically compact Horizon League. If they go through with it, they would be taking Butler's spot as the 10th Horizon member. Their departure would leave the Valley with 9 members... and St. Louis has basically been homeless since C-USA dropped their non-football members in 2005. They followed Charlotte to the A-10, but Charlotte is now adding football and going back to C-USA. I'm sure they're happy that the A-10 added Butler, but it's still a lot of travel and they're competing among a pool of 14 teams for tourney slots. A 10-team MVC which is still strong and is often a multi-bid conference might be appealing. If they left, the A-10 would be down to 13 members and would need to add one again. George Mason would probably be their first pick, but that $1 million CAA exit fee is a bitter pill.
If Siena can win some games again, there's still room to get on the A-10's radar.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 0:14:21 GMT -5
I think UA has the potential to overtake Siena because of a much larger enrollment and funding for all its sports. Siena men's basketball is the meal ticket for the school and how it gets all its exposure. Like gorvy said in another thread about the womens team all other sports at the school need to be supported. You cant be a one trick pony.
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