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Post by saints22 on Mar 2, 2019 16:06:52 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why you think that us having a big fanbase makes it more likely for teams to want to play us. You don't think it is leverage for us to try to get a home and home with a good low-major or high mid? I understand that they don't necessarily care that our games are well attended, but I could see it being used in a couple of ways assuming they would want to get a good home game for $$ (for which they dont need to pay a guarantee) like the big boys A. Go down the list of possibilities. Them: Nope - We want a 2 for 1. Us: Sorry, we're looking for a 1 and 1. We'll look elsewhere. Next. I don't think a Marist, UA, Niagara or Canisius could do that? We KNOW we're going to get or 7K even without them. Get somebody decent and we could get 8-9K. But you got to have an AD/coach with balls to be able to walk away and move to the next one. B. Sell the fact that we travel well and will bring some fans of our own. Go to a place we have a lot of alums and promote it. I think A has more bang than B, but you got to have the balls to be able to move on. And it has to be a GOOD team. We had St Joes here not long ago. What about those teams in Philly or upper A-10 or Conf USA, Missouri Valley. Maybe I am simplifying the process. You are "simplifying the process". Scheduling is a lot more complicated and involved than you seem to think it is. Going forward, if we have a good team......which we all hope will be the case......why would any of the teams from the leagues you mention want to come here to play us and risk leaving with a loss? Certainly not going to do it on a one-for-one contract. With the inferior record our program has had the past number of years, there is even less incentive for one of those teams you mention to come here and beat us. They gain nothing by doing that. And having us at their place does nothing for them either. Plus their fans would likely be angry at having to pay to watch their guys play a team like the Siena team that we've had for much of the past eight seasons. I think you'll see an uptick in terms of our scheduling, but that takes time.......usually two-three years out. Let's give Jamion and John a chance to see what they can do.
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Post by ltf on Mar 2, 2019 19:40:41 GMT -5
"Why would (big boys) want to come here and beat us or have us a their place, does nothing for them". Because it gives them easy wins and pads their record. It's why duke welcomed UAlbany, why Iowa plays Arkansas at Little Rock, Somebody at St. Edwardsville, South Dakota State, etc. Why Iowa always has close to 20 wins a year but still finishes in the middle of its conference. Scheduling is not easy but others with less facilities seem to do it. I can't believe we can't get a home and home with Boston College (Holy Cross can), St. Joes, George Mason, LaSalle, DePaul or a game against a top west coast school who is coming east and looking for another game to fill out their trip. In the past we've played Stanford, Xavier, Pitt and I believe Creighton at home. Now it can't be done!
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Post by $cott on Mar 2, 2019 20:47:26 GMT -5
"Why would (big boys) want to come here and beat us or have us a their place, does nothing for them". Because it gives them easy wins and pads their record. It's why duke welcomed UAlbany, why Iowa plays Arkansas at Little Rock, Somebody at St. Edwardsville, South Dakota State, etc. Why Iowa always has close to 20 wins a year but still finishes in the middle of its conference. Scheduling is not easy but others with less facilities seem to do it. I can't believe we can't get a home and home with Boston College (Holy Cross can), St. Joes, George Mason, LaSalle, DePaul or a game against a top west coast school who is coming east and looking for another game to fill out their trip. In the past we've played Stanford, Xavier, Pitt and I believe Creighton at home. Now it can't be done! BC hasn't played Holy Cross since 2012. The power 6 conferences never go on the road in the non-conference unless it is part of an event like the ACC-Big 10 challenge where they are going to other power conference schools. Can you find me even 5 examples of a power conference going to play at a midmajor or lower school in the past 3 years? I highly doubt it, it just doesn't happen anymore and no magical scheduling trick is going to change that.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 2, 2019 21:26:15 GMT -5
"Why would (big boys) want to come here and beat us or have us a their place, does nothing for them". Because it gives them easy wins and pads their record. It's why duke welcomed UAlbany, why Iowa plays Arkansas at Little Rock, Somebody at St. Edwardsville, South Dakota State, etc. Why Iowa always has close to 20 wins a year but still finishes in the middle of its conference. Scheduling is not easy but others with less facilities seem to do it. I can't believe we can't get a home and home with Boston College (Holy Cross can), St. Joes, George Mason, LaSalle, DePaul or a game against a top west coast school who is coming east and looking for another game to fill out their trip. In the past we've played Stanford, Xavier, Pitt and I believe Creighton at home. Now it can't be done! BC hasn't played Holy Cross since 2012. The power 6 conferences never go on the road in the non-conference unless it is part of an event like the ACC-Big 10 challenge where they are going to other power conference schools. Can you find me even 5 examples of a power conference going to play at a midmajor or lower school in the past 3 years? I highly doubt it, it just doesn't happen anymore and no magical scheduling trick is going to change that. It doesn’t have to be a power 6 conference but Siena and the maac should be focusing on selling the benefits of playing home and homes with like mid major conferences typically in the 11-20 range. Do away with the exempt tournaments that have us playing away guarantee games at low mid majors. For a small mid major We are in the unique position of offering easy access to airport, plenty of hotels and a large facility to accommodate their fans. If our local high school players go elsewhere we should try to get a game. If we are in a situation of too many away games we should try to buy home games with low majors to make sure the schedule is always balanced. We have a large fan base willing to pay for games in the regular season. I realize this is not easy and it will take some time but I think this is another area our former coaching staff fell short. If will be a lot harder to build wins and net ranking if we continue to stack the deck against us on the road.
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Post by $cott on Mar 2, 2019 22:41:26 GMT -5
BC hasn't played Holy Cross since 2012. The power 6 conferences never go on the road in the non-conference unless it is part of an event like the ACC-Big 10 challenge where they are going to other power conference schools. Can you find me even 5 examples of a power conference going to play at a midmajor or lower school in the past 3 years? I highly doubt it, it just doesn't happen anymore and no magical scheduling trick is going to change that. It doesn’t have to be a power 6 conference but Siena and the maac should be focusing on selling the benefits of playing home and homes with like mid major conferences typically in the 11-20 range. Do away with the exempt tournaments that have us playing away guarantee games at low mid majors. For a small mid major We are in the unique position of offering easy access to airport, plenty of hotels and a large facility to accommodate their fans. If our local high school players go elsewhere we should try to get a game. If we are in a situation of too many away games we should try to buy home games with low majors to make sure the schedule is always balanced. We have a large fan base willing to pay for games in the regular season. I realize this is not easy and it will take some time but I think this is another area our former coaching staff fell short. If will be a lot harder to build wins and net ranking if we continue to stack the deck against us on the road. So here is every non-conference game that A-10 teams played on the road this year: VCU at Old Dominion, Texas, Virginia Davidson at UNCW, Wake Forest, Duke Dayton at Auburn St Bonaventure at Niagara, Vermont, Northeastern, Syracuse Duquesne at Notre Dame George Mason at Georgia Southern, William & Mary, Kansas State Saint Louis at Seton Hall, Southern Illinois, Houston Lasalle at Temple, Florida Rhode Island at Charleston, Providence, Holy Cross, Hawaii St Joseph's at William & Mary, Princeton, Villanova Richmond at Georgetown, Southern Alabama George Washington at Virginia, Princeton, Harvard UMass at Providence, Georgia, Temple Fordham at Houston Baptist, Manhattan, Maine As you can see they aren't playing a lot of road games to begin with and the vast majority of them are with big conference schools, former conference rivals, or in state. We've had series with St Bonaventure who is one of the few teams that will travel to play lower conference teams. We should target them, Rhode Island, and St Joe's. Pretty much any of the others (aside from Fordham who we don't really want) aren't coming. It took a 2 for 1 just to get UMass here. I definitely agree that getting home and homes with the top teams from the best midmajors is a great way to go. But keep in mind, as we've seen in the past you can schedule a series when a team looks really good and then their coach leaves and they wind up in rebuilding mode by the time you play them. So there is no surefire recipe for success. Not sure about paying guarantees to get bad teams to come. Doesn't seem like a good plan to me but maybe it would work. Would almost rather just get a D2 or D3 school to come for free.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 2, 2019 23:32:42 GMT -5
It doesn’t have to be a power 6 conference but Siena and the maac should be focusing on selling the benefits of playing home and homes with like mid major conferences typically in the 11-20 range. Do away with the exempt tournaments that have us playing away guarantee games at low mid majors. For a small mid major We are in the unique position of offering easy access to airport, plenty of hotels and a large facility to accommodate their fans. If our local high school players go elsewhere we should try to get a game. If we are in a situation of too many away games we should try to buy home games with low majors to make sure the schedule is always balanced. We have a large fan base willing to pay for games in the regular season. I realize this is not easy and it will take some time but I think this is another area our former coaching staff fell short. If will be a lot harder to build wins and net ranking if we continue to stack the deck against us on the road. So here is every non-conference game that A-10 teams played on the road this year: VCU at Old Dominion, Texas, Virginia Davidson at UNCW, Wake Forest, Duke Dayton at Auburn St Bonaventure at Niagara, Vermont, Northeastern, Syracuse Duquesne at Notre Dame George Mason at Georgia Southern, William & Mary, Kansas State Saint Louis at Seton Hall, Southern Illinois, Houston Lasalle at Temple, Florida Rhode Island at Charleston, Providence, Holy Cross, Hawaii St Joseph's at William & Mary, Princeton, Villanova Richmond at Georgetown, Southern Alabama George Washington at Virginia, Princeton, Harvard UMass at Providence, Georgia, Temple Fordham at Houston Baptist, Manhattan, Maine As you can see they aren't playing a lot of road games to begin with and the vast majority of them are with big conference schools, former conference rivals, or in state. We've had series with St Bonaventure who is one of the few teams that will travel to play lower conference teams. We should target them, Rhode Island, and St Joe's. Pretty much any of the others (aside from Fordham who we don't really want) aren't coming. It took a 2 for 1 just to get UMass here. I definitely agree that getting home and homes with the top teams from the best midmajors is a great way to go. But keep in mind, as we've seen in the past you can schedule a series when a team looks really good and then their coach leaves and they wind up in rebuilding mode by the time you play them. So there is no surefire recipe for success. Not sure about paying guarantees to get bad teams to come. Doesn't seem like a good plan to me but maybe it would work. Would almost rather just get a D2 or D3 school to come for free. . I’m not focusing on just the a10, which is really higher than we need anyway. But you see my point, they won’t stoop down to our level because they are playing the schedule game right. But since they are close we ought to be able to get a game or two from them every now and then. But the leagues I think Siena and the maac should focus on are these: Caa Mac (can’t believe we don’t have the Big MAAC-MAC challenge) CUSA Sun Belt Horizon Ivy Instead, the maac scheduled games 2,000 miles away with the perennial low major drag Atlantic sun, a deal so bad even Indian Saint called the maac out. . Smh.
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Post by olddave on Mar 3, 2019 8:32:07 GMT -5
All good thoughts. Comes down toi it, teams f I’m th better conferences have everything to loose nothing to,gain. With JP or Mitch we had a better chance of scheduling the type of teams stated into home gam s, now, if I am coach from a higher conference , no way, not twitch the history of the school at home and the way the new coach turned the program around. Just my opinion.
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Post by $cott on Mar 3, 2019 10:46:28 GMT -5
So here is every non-conference game that A-10 teams played on the road this year: VCU at Old Dominion, Texas, Virginia Davidson at UNCW, Wake Forest, Duke Dayton at Auburn St Bonaventure at Niagara, Vermont, Northeastern, Syracuse Duquesne at Notre Dame George Mason at Georgia Southern, William & Mary, Kansas State Saint Louis at Seton Hall, Southern Illinois, Houston Lasalle at Temple, Florida Rhode Island at Charleston, Providence, Holy Cross, Hawaii St Joseph's at William & Mary, Princeton, Villanova Richmond at Georgetown, Southern Alabama George Washington at Virginia, Princeton, Harvard UMass at Providence, Georgia, Temple Fordham at Houston Baptist, Manhattan, Maine As you can see they aren't playing a lot of road games to begin with and the vast majority of them are with big conference schools, former conference rivals, or in state. We've had series with St Bonaventure who is one of the few teams that will travel to play lower conference teams. We should target them, Rhode Island, and St Joe's. Pretty much any of the others (aside from Fordham who we don't really want) aren't coming. It took a 2 for 1 just to get UMass here. I definitely agree that getting home and homes with the top teams from the best midmajors is a great way to go. But keep in mind, as we've seen in the past you can schedule a series when a team looks really good and then their coach leaves and they wind up in rebuilding mode by the time you play them. So there is no surefire recipe for success. Not sure about paying guarantees to get bad teams to come. Doesn't seem like a good plan to me but maybe it would work. Would almost rather just get a D2 or D3 school to come for free. . I’m not focusing on just the a10, which is really higher than we need anyway. But you see my point, they won’t stoop down to our level because they are playing the schedule game right. But since they are close we ought to be able to get a game or two from them every now and then. But the leagues I think Siena and the maac should focus on are these: Caa Mac (can’t believe we don’t have the Big MAAC-MAC challenge) CUSA Sun Belt Horizon Ivy Instead, the maac scheduled games 2,000 miles away with the perennial low major drag Atlantic sun, a deal so bad even Indian Saint called the maac out. . Smh. Right, this is less addressed to you and more to people who think we can just magically get power conference teams to come here. My point is it is even difficult to A10 teams to come and you might as well forget about power conference teams coming. Even the days where they might schedule a road game to get a senior a game close to home seem to be largely gone. As to the MAAC-Atlantic Sun matchup, the A Sun has teams ranked 46 and 62 in the NET rankings. If the MAAC-A Sun challenge turns into an "everyone gets a turn" event like the Advocare it will be a waste. If they use it to matchup the top teams in each conference every year then it will be a benefit.
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Post by johndoh12 on Mar 23, 2019 14:13:40 GMT -5
How about a game with GW at the TUC next season? That might be kind of fun. That's a perfect time to play in that event... Pickett, Carey, Seymour, Ratliff will be juniors...you'll have Camper and Richard (assuming Richard opts to stay which he probably will) as seniors and next year's frosh will have a year under their belts (Young, Walker, Sutherland). Hopefully JC and staff sign a few more studs by then too. Siena is 0-6 in this event with two teams that had winning seasons, including maybe the best team in program history (2008-09) so hopefully we break through. Next year it will be interesting to see what schedule JC puts together. We'll be talented but still pretty young. The only games we have scheduled I believe are at Colgate, at Harvard, St. Bona, at Cal-Poly (bet we schedule another west coast game going that far). A lot of games to fill..hope we play the max 31 games regular season again.
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 24, 2019 7:25:34 GMT -5
I don't see Richard's situation changing
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 24, 2019 8:28:21 GMT -5
I don't see Richard's situation changing Thanks for the scheduling update.
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Post by saints22 on Mar 24, 2019 8:35:44 GMT -5
How about a game with GW at the TUC next season? That might be kind of fun. Good idea. Five year contract. All games to be played at the TUC. They have to pay us a guarantee. GW can't use any players who were at, or recruited to, Siena.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 24, 2019 9:34:59 GMT -5
Why would JC want to step foot back in the TUC? So he can booed at every turn? I’m sure he’d rather schedule Fairfield or Quinny than us.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 24, 2019 9:45:38 GMT -5
Why would JC want to step foot back in the TUC? So he can booed at every turn? I’m sure he’d rather schedule Fairfield or Quinny than us. Most Siena fans don’t want to see his face again ... with one exception: in NCAA tournament
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Post by siena77 on Mar 24, 2019 10:25:41 GMT -5
Why would JC want to step foot back in the TUC? So he can booed at every turn? I’m sure he’d rather schedule Fairfield or Quinny than us. It would be a complete distraction. I'm sure Jamion is smart enough to realize it wouldn't be a hero's welcome he'd receive.
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