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Post by siena95 on Nov 22, 2017 10:22:50 GMT -5
The out rebounded Bucknell because they shot roughly 87% from the field... very few opportunities for boards! Look at the offensive rebound category....Siena 16 Bucknell 5....that's why we out rebounded them...another good point you made is they shot insane just like Lehigh. You can't beat teams that shoot that good and you know that. Last years team didn't work hard at anything....They passed up on the opportunities to be good and it comes down to preparation and not everyone put the work in where it mattered. Last years team was drama filled and I can promise you that no team wins that way. Ill say it again...that fact that none of you can see the positives makes it clear you don't know basketball at its roots, but instead come here to complain. Either that or you are all sore losers because I would much rather watch a cohesive bunch of improving FRESHMAN than the crap filled drama I watched last year. No, you can't beat a team that shoots that well, but not like they were all contested shots and they were throwing things out of their ass and making 3's. When a team scores nearly 120 pts in college, the other team is playing less than zero defense.... It is hard to see positives when the team loses by 30+ at home and happens again a week later on the road. I have a sneaking suspicion this team will be very schizophrenic this year (like the coach). So moments of "ok, they are improving" to moments of "yikes they may lose by 50". Not sure how long you have been on the board or around Siena, but the frustration isn't JUST this 0-4 start... in a vacuum, this season should be expected with such a young team... but the overall body of work the last year 8 years has been graded a C- at best, so a horrible start is the icing on the shit sandwich of 8 years of nothing.
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Post by rickyp on Nov 22, 2017 10:26:42 GMT -5
The zone we run is the worst because it's something you have to know it's something that's practiced over and over.You must know where you're supposed to be and it's clear these guys don't.If where going to play man we have to make a conservative effort to filter everything to the left.I've been watching college basketball the last few days and I've watched our guys in person live not tv.Players that are good adapt and adjust the speed and physicality is different.But the mental is really the biggest hurdle and going off some of these players past they trend up.Because no-one is given a scholarship just for the f of it.4 games in I'm not making a comparison just a comparison Frank Mason freshman year commentator said he's like a third down back keeps both teams in game.Senior year player of the year ncaa nba.So for you people who think I'm comparing him to our guys no use some common sense.I'll be there rooting our players and coaches on.Go Saints ooh yeah not protestingđŸ˜€
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Post by stbernie on Nov 22, 2017 10:38:12 GMT -5
Look at the offensive rebound category....Siena 16 Bucknell 5....that's why we out rebounded them...another good point you made is they shot insane just like Lehigh. You can't beat teams that shoot that good and you know that. Last years team didn't work hard at anything....They passed up on the opportunities to be good and it comes down to preparation and not everyone put the work in where it mattered. Last years team was drama filled and I can promise you that no team wins that way. Ill say it again...that fact that none of you can see the positives makes it clear you don't know basketball at its roots, but instead come here to complain. Either that or you are all sore losers because I would much rather watch a cohesive bunch of improving FRESHMAN than the crap filled drama I watched last year. And yet the drama filled crap beat Bucknell on a neutral court. As far as the drama goes, we're 4 games in, just watch for an implosion, it's a Rex governed team .. it's coming, sure as the sunrises in the morning. Lehigh and Bucknell just shot lights out why? Cuz they're Ray Allen in disguise? Ah no, defensively we're not athletic enough, not fast enough, out of position undisciplined. How do you give up 100 pts with 8 min to go? Unheard of in college ball. Don't worry I will revisit this statement when we are top 3 in the MAAC this year and I'll put this up for everyone to see that you don't have a clue about basketball. Reality check...Last year was supposed to be one of the best teams we have put on the floor in years and they were a .500 team. Without Nico they wouldn't have won some of those games and gone anywhere in the tournament. They are gone and we have to start over completely. We are not going to get major talent to walk in as freshman and be studs. It WILL NOT HAPPEN OFTEN AT THIS LEVEL. You are stuck with a false sense of reality and need to learn to watch young guys grow! You do not understand player development, but you are very good at complaining. I could care less about arguing with you, but for those that care to read the blog and see positives about the team we are supporting then lets accept this reality and get over our most recent 3 peat team you wish we still had on and move forward.
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Post by siena95 on Nov 22, 2017 10:41:41 GMT -5
i would guess most here are hope you are right, about the Top 3 thing. I'd have no issue eating crow if this team wins 15 games and a ROY or two emerges. We will know soon enough which direction this goes.
what players do you see leading the charge to a Top3 MAAC finish besides Nico?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 10:46:54 GMT -5
The MAAC is so wide open right now, it's crazy. People are quick to judge Patsos on his history (which admittedly ain't great overall) but don't forget that almost every year he finds a way to put together a February run and get back around .500.
At least Siena has an excuse that they're young. What's the excuse of the other MAAC teams, most of which who are maybe relying on 1 frosh and not 2 or 3?
-Niagara has given up 107, 101, and 95 points the last 3 games. You can give them a pass on Minnesota but Robb is not playing well and he was their only real semblance of D and interior play. He has 0 blocks and is averaging just 3.5 boards thru 4 games.
-Manhattan lost by 11 to the 284th ranked team on a neutral floor and needed overtime to beat the 323rd ranked team by 1 at home.
-Iona can't get out of its own way. -St. Peter's is a mess...can't even get 26 boards a game. -CC has already lost to 2 sub 200 teams -Monmouth may have already lost Seaborn...and has 2 mostly lucky wins cause teams couldn't make FTs.
I mean the best 2 teams right now are probably Rider and FF and FF lost to D2 Bridgeport.
Yeah, Siena sucks but they're young and are rotating 12 contributors in and out and haven't even settled on a lineup yet. Patsos may yet find a way to make top 5 with this group. The league is wide open. All it will take is for them to figure it out in MAAC play...where Siena also only has to play Rider and Niagara once each.
The level of Siena's play may be declining but so is that of the entire league. I blame the millenials.
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Post by reidv1 on Nov 22, 2017 10:59:53 GMT -5
Forget the MAAC. Let's just win a game!
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Post by MTS on Nov 22, 2017 11:03:19 GMT -5
Sadly 0-10 isn't completely out of the question but I think we'll get a couple of wins. When JP said there wasn't one game on the schedule that he thought was a sure fire win it wasn't the typical "coachspeak".
If you use the ESPN predictor Siena's chances to win vs.
Hofstra - 38.3% St. Bona - 21% Robert Morris - 66.1% Louisville - 5% UAlbany - 34.2 % Vermont - 9.8% Bryant - 40.8% Memphis - 16.3% Holy Cross - 55.4%
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:26:28 GMT -5
Forget the MAAC. Let's just win a game! Fair enough, but let's consider that every single team Siena has played thus far would be considered a top 3 favorite in the MAAC as of now....and 3 of them probably would have been unanimously picked to win it. I'm just saying that sometimes you need to take a step back for perspective's sake. Siena started 4-11 last year...and then went on a 13-6 run. In fact, Jimmy has finished with similar runs in 3 of the previous 4 seasons against a better MAAC than he'll face this year. Jimmy is not going to get fired if he is top 5 in the MAAC. So, judging him during the OOC is largely a superfluous and futile exercise. We jump off the deep end on him in November and December every year. And almost every year he throws out a run during the winter doldrums and sneaks back up to semi-respectibility. This is why the guy has the 2nd best record of MAAC coaches over the last 7 years...he always claws his way back to mediocrity. In spite of his lazy recruiting, bluster, and messed up rotations...the guy still finds a way to hang around. Why should we expect differently this year as of only 11/22?
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Post by MTS on Nov 22, 2017 11:30:42 GMT -5
Forget the MAAC. Let's just win a game! Fair enough, but let's consider that every single team Siena has played thus far would be considered a top 3 favorite in the MAAC as of now....and 3 of them probably would have been unanimously picked to win it. I'm just saying that sometimes you need to take a step back for perspective's sake. Siena started 4-11 last year...and then went on a 13-6 run. In fact, Jimmy has finished with similar runs in 3 of the previous 4 seasons against a better MAAC than he'll face this year. Jimmy is not going to get fired if he is top 5 in the MAAC. So, judging him during the OOC is largely superfluous as we jump off the deep end on him in November and December every year. And almost every year he throws out a run during the winter doldrums and sneaks back up to semi-respectibility. This is why the guy has the 2nd best record of MAAC coaches over the last 7 years. In spite of his lazy recruiting, bluster, and messed up rotations...the guy still finds a way to hang around. Why should we expect differently this year as of only 11/22? I get what you're saying but last year we had four pretty good seniors who did not want to go out without a fight. Now we have no seniors, one talented but enigmatic junior and a bunch of young guys and role players. Sure the MAAC stinks but we're a big part of the stink. Let's see what they do the rest of the OOC schedule - if they can't win at least 4 out of then I doubt they can finish in the top 5 even in a weakened MAAC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:49:54 GMT -5
Fair enough, but let's consider that every single team Siena has played thus far would be considered a top 3 favorite in the MAAC as of now....and 3 of them probably would have been unanimously picked to win it. I'm just saying that sometimes you need to take a step back for perspective's sake. Siena started 4-11 last year...and then went on a 13-6 run. In fact, Jimmy has finished with similar runs in 3 of the previous 4 seasons against a better MAAC than he'll face this year. Jimmy is not going to get fired if he is top 5 in the MAAC. So, judging him during the OOC is largely superfluous as we jump off the deep end on him in November and December every year. And almost every year he throws out a run during the winter doldrums and sneaks back up to semi-respectibility. This is why the guy has the 2nd best record of MAAC coaches over the last 7 years. In spite of his lazy recruiting, bluster, and messed up rotations...the guy still finds a way to hang around. Why should we expect differently this year as of only 11/22? I get what you're saying but last year we had four pretty good seniors who did not want to go out without a fight. Now we have no seniors, one talented but enigmatic junior and a bunch of young guys and role players. Sure the MAAC stinks but we're a big part of the stink. Let's see what they do the rest of the OOC schedule - if they can't win at least 4 out of then I doubt they can finish in the top 5 even in a weakened MAAC. I get it. They're struggling and they're young. But all it takes is a spark. Most of this roster has very little real D1 playing experience. We've effectively seen a frosh team repeatedly going up against experienced teams so far. Once/if the team figures out its identity they could take a big leap. 2 games ago, people said Penn should never play again. Then he averages double digit pts. the next 2 games. We all knew this would be the shock and awe portion of the schedule for this young team and that it could look potentially shockingly awful. Who knows? 2 games from now someone else could step up and people's reality and views towards this team could completely change. These guys are all learning on the fly the hard way. We don't know where they'll be by MAAC play.
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Post by gosaints on Nov 22, 2017 11:52:04 GMT -5
And yet the drama filled crap beat Bucknell on a neutral court. As far as the drama goes, we're 4 games in, just watch for an implosion, it's a Rex governed team .. it's coming, sure as the sunrises in the morning. Lehigh and Bucknell just shot lights out why? Cuz they're Ray Allen in disguise? Ah no, defensively we're not athletic enough, not fast enough, out of position undisciplined. How do you give up 100 pts with 8 min to go? Unheard of in college ball. Don't worry I will revisit this statement when we are top 3 in the MAAC this year and I'll put this up for everyone to see that you don't have a clue about basketball. Reality check...Last year was supposed to be one of the best teams we have put on the floor in years and they were a .500 team. Without Nico they wouldn't have won some of those games and gone anywhere in the tournament. They are gone and we have to start over completely. We are not going to get major talent to walk in as freshman and be studs. It WILL NOT HAPPEN OFTEN AT THIS LEVEL. You are stuck with a false sense of reality and need to learn to watch young guys grow! You do not understand player development, but you are very good at complaining. I could care less about arguing with you, but for those that care to read the blog and see positives about the team we are supporting then lets accept this reality and get over our most recent 3 peat team you wish we still had on and move forward. I agree that this team is young and has some talent but here's my concern, who is going to develop this young talent? Pastos? his assistants? I believe 5 years of history with Pastos has demonstrated this will definitely not be the case!!! You can't take young kids and sit their ass's on the bench every time they make a mistake. They have to be allowed to play through these mistakes, learn and grow instead of constantly looking over their shoulder knowing they are headed to the bench the second they do something remotely wrong. This has been a problem with Pastos coached teams for years, I honestly do not see him changing his ways now!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 12:07:21 GMT -5
Also, Bucknell is probably a tougher interior matchup than Siena will ever see in the MAAC. 2 senior proven/tough 15 ppg, 7 rpg forwards with disciplined guards who can also shoot...going against this young undersized team...with Oduro not even at 100%. And on top of that, they also have a good back up forward in Sestina...just too much interior depth for us.
A large part of that beat down was that it was such a bad matchup, it was on the road, and Bucknell was too good of a team to lose again. They were due. It was a perfect storm.
I'm not saying Saints played well...they certainly didn't...but I could see the pieces falling and they weren't altogether surprising.
Siena certainly won't see an interior combo the likes of Thomas/Foulland in MAAC play.
The only reason Siena snuck by them in the past was because Bisping/JO/Long largely managed to nullify that strength...and they only barely beat them. Outside of Rider and maybe a couple others, the MAAC is largely getting murdered on the boards this year by the rest of the nation.
Teams that attack the paint like FGCU and Bucknell aren't the norm. There is not one of their like in the MAAC. We're talking 2 teams who shoot 48% to 50% for a living...not just against us.
It's easy for the defense to look bad against that.
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Post by stbernie on Nov 22, 2017 12:38:45 GMT -5
i would guess most here are hope you are right, about the Top 3 thing. I'd have no issue eating crow if this team wins 15 games and a ROY or two emerges. We will know soon enough which direction this goes. what players do you see leading the charge to a Top3 MAAC finish besides Nico? I could see Penn becoming an assist machine and nice scoring threat soon given his already improved movement around the court and ball handling ability. Shivers will continue to score his share of the points and I can seriously see Oduro averaging a double double in rebounds and points with 2 blocks a game going forward. All he is missing right now is foul shooting which he will be able to correct. Its just a matter of learning and wanting to get better and I know these kids all will. Freshman don't understand the college game, but the good news is these guys are learning quick. There is talent in each one. Done sleep on Horn either...Freshman don't have the confidence to drive for a game trying layup in their first game if they aren't talented or sure of their abilities. What does everyone else think about breakout performers?
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 22, 2017 12:46:27 GMT -5
And yet the drama filled crap beat Bucknell on a neutral court. As far as the drama goes, we're 4 games in, just watch for an implosion, it's a Rex governed team .. it's coming, sure as the sunrises in the morning. Lehigh and Bucknell just shot lights out why? Cuz they're Ray Allen in disguise? Ah no, defensively we're not athletic enough, not fast enough, out of position undisciplined. How do you give up 100 pts with 8 min to go? Unheard of in college ball. Don't worry I will revisit this statement when we are top 3 in the MAAC this year and I'll put this up for everyone to see that you don't have a clue about basketball. Reality check...Last year was supposed to be one of the best teams we have put on the floor in years and they were a .500 team. Without Nico they wouldn't have won some of those games and gone anywhere in the tournament. They are gone and we have to start over completely. We are not going to get major talent to walk in as freshman and be studs. It WILL NOT HAPPEN OFTEN AT THIS LEVEL. You are stuck with a false sense of reality and need to learn to watch young guys grow! You do not understand player development, but you are very good at complaining. I could care less about arguing with you, but for those that care to read the blog and see positives about the team we are supporting then lets accept this reality and get over our most recent 3 peat team you wish we still had on and move forward. The MAAC is shaping up to be extremely weak. I'm guessing 2-3 OOC max wins if lucky & maybe 6-8 wins in league games. So that puts us at 8-11 total wins with being 8-23 or 11-20 overall, a top 3 finish in the MAAC & it's a train wreck year for the conference. About reality and decent talent at this level as freshman .. see what John Becker has done at UVM. What did Mike Paul and Fran do, Rob Lanier great recruiter, bad coach You're clueless. Jimmy can't coach, can't recruit can't lead! Also 4 1k scores, senior laden team, that debacle last year was on the coach no leadership, the fish stinks from the head down.
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 22, 2017 12:51:39 GMT -5
The MAAC is so wide open right now, it's crazy. People are quick to judge Patsos on his history (which admittedly ain't great overall) but don't forget that almost every year he finds a way to put together a February run and get back around .500. At least Siena has an excuse that they're young. What's the excuse of the other MAAC teams, most of which who are maybe relying on 1 frosh and not 2 or 3? -Niagara has given up 107, 101, and 95 points the last 3 games. You can give them a pass on Minnesota but Robb is not playing well and he was their only real semblance of D and interior play. He has 0 blocks and is averaging just 3.5 boards thru 4 games. -Manhattan lost by 11 to the 284th ranked team on a neutral floor and needed overtime to beat the 323rd ranked team by 1 at home. -Iona can't get out of its own way. -St. Peter's is a mess...can't even get 26 boards a game. -CC has already lost to 2 sub 200 teams -Monmouth may have already lost Seaborn...and has 2 mostly lucky wins cause teams couldn't make FTs. I mean the best 2 teams right now are probably Rider and FF and FF lost to D2 Bridgeport. Yeah, Siena sucks but they're young and are rotating 12 contributors in and out and haven't even settled on a lineup yet. Patsos may yet find a way to make top 5 with this group. The league is wide open. All it will take is for them to figure it out in MAAC play...where Siena also only has to play Rider and Niagara once each. The level of Siena's play may be declining but so is that of the entire league. I blame the millenials. So if we can't compete with decent mid-majors OOC and the MAAC sucks bad and we happen to suck less it's acceptable? Not in my book. Boy it's about the MAAC is really catching on...meanwhile UA continues to grow an get better. No 8 in the college insiders latest top 25 ranking for mids. Say what you want about Coach Brown and UA but they got it all over Rex and DArg.
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