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Post by thebaltimorebullett on Sept 24, 2017 14:36:39 GMT -5
what is the guy with four seats in section 213, the 22 men who comprise the siena mens basketball team, and standing up for something you believe in.
as only the all knowing all telling carnac would say, may your tent have many holes so the fleas of a 100 camels infests your den.
ernie loves to go Knickerbocker to watch pure basketball - the crowd the atmosphere, rivalries and maybe a couple sawbucks laying the points. he likes jimmy patsos, see s a guy sweating thru his shirt, challenging every call bouncing around like Gleason ( old twinkle toes ) working a 9 foot table. always gracious with a handshake and a kind word even in defeat, but more than that he see s a guy that likes the win more than he hates to lose. his cup runith over, which is better than half full.
the four men that are playing over seas are much wealthier in real life due to the experience of traveling around with this hurricane, as earl weaver said ' it s what you learn after you know it all that counts. after their playing days are over they can be sure to rely on the spirit of being yourself, to dance without shame - ups and downs are part of everything in life and those who dare to teach - never cease to learn. yea ernie wishes the coach would stay in the coaches box and maybe not have such a quick hook ( fast like smokin joe ) and maybe find the next steph curry but he s OK with jimmy because he knows he s gonna get a good ride, stay out of traffic, save some ground when he can and make an honest effort in the stretch, whip in hand.
the travelin willberries are gonna tune it up friday and start practicing for the scheduled tour, they play 31 dates in 17 different cities in 100 days. these guys have to go to class, study for grades, make time for relationships, eat well, play thru soreness that many would just take a netflix day for - and they don t get paid a dime. you can say they signed a contract to play in return for an overpriced education, but mega media paid the NCAA holding company a billion dollars to exploit these young men. the athletic program at siena has 18 sports teams, 7 mens and 11 womens and they all wear under armour uniforms, nice stuff. I may be wrong but I m guessing that other than the mens basketball team none of the other teams is self supporting. the brass tacks that hold this whole shooting match together is the 21 guys who all have cell phones and love to read were toobig saint 78 is saying nico can t dribble with his head up and brent seems to be out of gas.these guys have friends and family that they play for, know what they are doing and have allot of pride - every one of them, otherwise they would be a regular student. they intend to hammer some things out over the next few weeks and then start the show
let s hope that the infection of kneeling for the national anthem does not spread, if the song is viewed as a chorus of dixie, then we ve got big problems.
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Post by sky on Sept 24, 2017 16:19:51 GMT -5
Your last sentence says it all...i wonder how many of those that kneel have ever worn an American military uniform or have gone up to a member of the armed services or veteran and say "Thank you for your service"
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Post by bigsaintg on Sept 24, 2017 16:44:19 GMT -5
Maybe they should take a trip up to Solomon National Cemetary and see who sacrificed for them. Total disrespect and if a Siena player ever does it I hope they are immediately benched (any sport) and get suspended. Siena was built off the backs of WWII vets like my dad and his classmates
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Post by warden99 on Sept 24, 2017 17:09:56 GMT -5
I have walked often in the quite peaceful ,beautiful cemetery named after a Siena graduate. I earned a place in this eternal resting spot.....my name is already etched on the container,next to my late wife.
Don't worry about the guys in the Green and Gold. Jimmy teaches more then hoops. By the first game the huckster who launched this misdirection to gather attention to himself,will have moved on to something even more ridiculous.
In 75 years I always respected my president........even when I disagreed with him. I pray that the guy in Washington will grow up. God knows the job is brutal and a true test.
Come join me at 10 am for a quite walk in our local National Cemetery.
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Post by SaintsFan on Sept 25, 2017 5:50:07 GMT -5
Your last sentence says it all...i wonder how many of those that kneel have ever worn an American military uniform or have gone up to a member of the armed services or veteran and say "Thank you for your service" While perhaps true... conversely... I would ask how many of you have had to live in this nation as a non-white and all of the baggage that goes with it? The hypocrisy that our nation often displays is embarrassing. You ask a fairly religious question in essentially saying "have you walked a mile in a military uniform?". I would counter that with "have you walked a mile in the shoes of a non-white in this country?". I think when we begin to look at the other perspective we begin to understand each other better. |
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Post by sky on Sept 25, 2017 10:15:11 GMT -5
Your last sentence says it all...i wonder how many of those that kneel have ever worn an American military uniform or have gone up to a member of the armed services or veteran and say "Thank you for your service" While perhaps true... conversely... I would ask how many of you have had to live in this nation as a non-white and all of the baggage that goes with it? The hypocrisy that our nation often displays is embarrassing. You ask a fairly religious question in essentially saying "have you walked a mile in a military uniform?". I would counter that with "have you walked a mile in the shoes of a non-white in this country?". I think when we begin to look at the other perspective we begin to understand each other better. I am Native American born on the Rez in Utah ...no one is more repressed, lives in more squalor or is subject to more crime than the Native Americans yet you will not see a more patriotic group...every activity starts with the National Anthem and everyone stands facing the flag...with their hand on their heart or a salute to the flag...i don't feel the issue is repression but the sense of self worth and acceptance that the most important word in the english language is "choice" every person can choose to do the best they can with what is available to them or complain,for example, that because they chose not to go to school, and I'm not talking about college,that they dont have the knowledge to suceed...in EVERY ethnic group there are the haves and the have nots...there are those that had family values passes on to them and those that were let loose on the streets..i would guess that the real issue is family values and instead of hand outs to the able bodied we could take some of the money for family education... The old saying of "The Lord helps those that help themselves" should be the motto of those that feel repressed...and just out of curiosity..who is the repressor... |
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Post by th24 on Sept 25, 2017 10:28:11 GMT -5
Reuters Poll:72% see anthem antics as 'Unpatriotic'.
Denver Broncos DE,Derek Wolfe: I stand because I respect the men who died in real battle so I have the freedom to battle on the field.
Green Beret,Texas Longhorn, Seattle Seahawk,@nateboyer37 on the American flag: We wouldn't drape it over fallen heroes' coffins if it wasn't the most important piece of cloth.
Former Oakland Raider Super Bowl Champion, @burgessowens : Let's stop putting down the country.
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Post by MTS on Sept 25, 2017 11:47:22 GMT -5
Your last sentence says it all...i wonder how many of those that kneel have ever worn an American military uniform or have gone up to a member of the armed services or veteran and say "Thank you for your service" While perhaps true... conversely... I would ask how many of you have had to live in this nation as a non-white and all of the baggage that goes with it? The hypocrisy that our nation often displays is embarrassing. You ask a fairly religious question in essentially saying "have you walked a mile in a military uniform?". I would counter that with "have you walked a mile in the shoes of a non-white in this country?". I think when we begin to look at the other perspective we begin to understand each other better. You know if it was 1963 I'd agree with you but it's 2017. Time to stop living in the past. This country has come along way. Will it ever be perfect? No - life is unfair. |
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Post by bigsaintg on Sept 25, 2017 13:41:46 GMT -5
Your last sentence says it all...i wonder how many of those that kneel have ever worn an American military uniform or have gone up to a member of the armed services or veteran and say "Thank you for your service" While perhaps true... conversely... I would ask how many of you have had to live in this nation as a non-white and all of the baggage that goes with it? The hypocrisy that our nation often displays is embarrassing. You ask a fairly religious question in essentially saying "have you walked a mile in a military uniform?". I would counter that with "have you walked a mile in the shoes of a non-white in this country?". I think when we begin to look at the other perspective we begin to understand each other better. My grandmother has 6 kids I in the service in 1944. Can't imagine what that must have been like with no modern communication. These guys need rid try setting examples and hep their community rather than doing this crap |
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Post by Quackman on Sept 25, 2017 13:55:18 GMT -5
While perhaps true... conversely... I would ask how many of you have had to live in this nation as a non-white and all of the baggage that goes with it? The hypocrisy that our nation often displays is embarrassing. You ask a fairly religious question in essentially saying "have you walked a mile in a military uniform?". I would counter that with "have you walked a mile in the shoes of a non-white in this country?". I think when we begin to look at the other perspective we begin to understand each other better. You know if it was 1963 I'd agree with you but it's 2017. Time to stop living in the past. This country has come along way. Will it ever be perfect? No - life is unfair. Please try to turn off Fox and venture away from cozy Clifton Park for a little bit to get a feel for how the entire world truly is. Yes, things are better than 1963 but to truly end systemic and institutional challenges faced by those of the wrong end of the social economical scale (proportionately heavy on people of collor) it will take generations in the best of times. These are not the best of times. |
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Post by Quackman on Sept 25, 2017 14:01:57 GMT -5
While perhaps true... conversely... I would ask how many of you have had to live in this nation as a non-white and all of the baggage that goes with it? The hypocrisy that our nation often displays is embarrassing. You ask a fairly religious question in essentially saying "have you walked a mile in a military uniform?". I would counter that with "have you walked a mile in the shoes of a non-white in this country?". I think when we begin to look at the other perspective we begin to understand each other better. My grandmother has 6 kids I in the service in 1944. Can't imagine what that must have been like with no modern communication. These guys need rid try setting examples and hep their community rather than doing this crap My father grew up lower middle class in Lansingburg and served in the Navy in WWII, my mother was dirt poor and lived in a variety of homes until she was old enough to live in the YWCA on her own. The two of them worked their entire lives to make my siblings and my lives as comfortable as possible while also instilling a strong sense of compassion for the plight of others. My dad, a conservative until the day he died, would have said that he said that he fought in WWII to protect those guy's right and ability to protest what they see as an injustice. One other thing that bothers me, when did the military gain any greater right to the flag then the rest of us. I am most appreciative to anyone who has served in defense of this country, but the Flag does not represent the military, it represents the USA, a country born out of civil disobedience. |
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Post by Quackman on Sept 25, 2017 14:03:27 GMT -5
Your last sentence says it all...i wonder how many of those that kneel have ever worn an American military uniform or have gone up to a member of the armed services or veteran and say "Thank you for your service" While perhaps true... conversely... I would ask how many of you have had to live in this nation as a non-white and all of the baggage that goes with it? The hypocrisy that our nation often displays is embarrassing. You ask a fairly religious question in essentially saying "have you walked a mile in a military uniform?". I would counter that with "have you walked a mile in the shoes of a non-white in this country?". I think when we begin to look at the other perspective we begin to understand each other better. Saintsfan ... just as I rarely agree with you regarding Siena basketball, I find myself in the uncomfortable position of nearly always agreeing with you regarding politics. Who'd of thought? |
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Post by MTS on Sept 25, 2017 14:28:25 GMT -5
You know if it was 1963 I'd agree with you but it's 2017. Time to stop living in the past. This country has come along way. Will it ever be perfect? No - life is unfair. Please try to turn off Fox and venture away from cozy Clifton Park for a little bit to get a feel for how the entire world truly is. Yes, things are better than 1963 but to truly end systemic and institutional challenges faced by those of the wrong end of the social economical scale (proportionately heavy on people of collor) it will take generations in the best of times. These are not the best of times. In all shitholes run by democrats for 100 years. Tell me the last time Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago was run by a republican? Turn off CNN and MSNBC. Most downtrodden people are white. |
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Post by bigfan on Sept 25, 2017 14:53:15 GMT -5
Please try to turn off Fox and venture away from cozy Clifton Park for a little bit to get a feel for how the entire world truly is. Yes, things are better than 1963 but to truly end systemic and institutional challenges faced by those of the wrong end of the social economical scale (proportionately heavy on people of collor) it will take generations in the best of times. These are not the best of times. In all shitholes run by democrats for 100 years. Tell me the last time Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago was run by a republican? Turn off CNN and MSNBC. Most downtrodden people are white. These guys are protesting that they do not benefit from the same presumption of innocence in the eyes of law enforcement that white America does. If you scoff at that notion, you are completely out of touch with reality. They are also protesting what appears to be some degree of acceptance, at the HIGHEST level, of the openly racist element in our society. That element certainly has been emboldened by this administration. Where and how does downtrodden and the "take advantage of your opportunities" lecture come into this? These guys are not protesting to get handouts, people. |
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Post by rickyp on Sept 25, 2017 15:23:08 GMT -5
I can never understand what it is to be a white,native or any other race.I can understand what it is to be a American not a afro-American but a American. I can understand to be brought up around blacks but educated at a Catholic school and raised as a Catholic.To be invited over my friends houses with pools to be the only minority on the soccer team and boy scouts troop.I can understand on being followed in a store by security for a hour while i shopped.To stand in line for five minutes then the clerk ask the people behind me could they be helped.To buy 100 shoes and the clerk just give me a box no bag,but the man in front got a bag and thank you.To seat in a parked car at a park and ride waiting for a friend to get off the bus.With 20 other vehicles with people not of my color waiting,to be approached by two police tapping on my window.To ask me what was i here for.ooh yeah after i told them to left after the bus came and my friend got in the car.Safety first.To be pulled over 20 times ticketed once brake light out my fault.The other 19 no reason ,but i figured there making sure I'm safe😜.So i kind of agree and disagree.Ooh yeah my grandfather served in the navy worked at the VA hospital retired and raised 10kids and i never heard him be negative toward any race or culture.I have friends of all ethnicities.And i never will tell them you don't understand what it is to walk in my shoes.Because in the end i won't understand what it is to walk in there shoes.I respect and learn from there experiences because what's important to me,may not be too them.Just like people on this board we all have different opinions.But if you believe we've made strides why are we talking about this in 2017.Your never affected until it happens to you.
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