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Post by siena95 on Jan 18, 2013 12:45:33 GMT -5
beyond the obvious:
get rid of the cafe seating in the one endzone. Make that end zone seating again for students- and when students aren't there, you give those to school kids or the Y, etc... - stop charging students for tickets- do your best to load up the end zones each game w/ students. Right now we have students in one endzone, pushed back 15 feet from the court and then the rest of them are pushed back into a corner section. - eliminate at least HALF the time-out marketing ploys. It is supremely annoying that they jam something into every window of opportunity, some stumbling into the teams coming back on the court. It is minor league BS and it looks it. - get rid of the tarps. again, minor league move recommended by some "consulting" firm to dummy up false demand. - spend as much time on the product ON the court as they do in finding ways to bilk every last dollar from it. The rollercoaster this program has had is a joke. Sure when you lose a coach, you may hit some bumps, by why the F do they need to completely bottom out every few years?? Any cache Siena had with the 3 year NCAA run is gone in a blink of an eye and the damage done right now won't be fully known for a while. - they charge 2 or 3 times more then any other team in the MAAC for tickets. why? currently our coach makes no more or less then most other MAAC schools, so why the additional expense? especially when they have stopped just short of hanging signs around the stands to get every last marketing dollar (and they actually have some signs up now!) and seem to not flinch when the program nose dives every few years. - why hire a consulting firm? its called winning, if you win and sustain a certain level of success, you will retain and gain fans. if you constantly do things that make even the die-hards question the commitment, well you do harm that isn't easily repaired. - this is a very crucial time for Siena basketball. maybe the most crucial time in its history and i have nearly zero confidence then people in charge will make the correct decisions. NOTHING they have done or said makes me think they will get this right. I pray I am wrong and they shock me, but when you bat around .500 in coaching hires, every once and a while you will have an 0-2 streak.....
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Post by MTS on Jan 18, 2013 12:53:06 GMT -5
Bottom line - Siena has to bring in a good coach. If you go the BCS asst route you could get another Hewitt or you could get another Lanier. I'm confident you will never see another Mitch again a late 50's career assistant who bombed out at another mid-major.
Go out and give a Dave Paulsen the money that Fran was getting. Prove that you want to be an elite mid-major program. If they need to hire advisors for this coaching search so be it! Do whatever it takes to be successful again. You have to spend money to get a return on investment!
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Post by siena2003 on Jan 18, 2013 13:02:45 GMT -5
Talk like that is needed -but it can't come from us. The Administration has no respect for this board. It must came from those that have the ear of Father Kevin ! And those that spend money and support the program with BIG money !! If the Administration is afraid to loose money...they will feel the pressure!
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Post by bigsaintg on Jan 18, 2013 13:04:15 GMT -5
I agree with Siena95
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Post by siena95 on Jan 18, 2013 13:11:19 GMT -5
oh, i know whatever i say won't go much further then here, BUT i am curious what everyone else thinks, because like it or not, those here are a solid cross section of the fan base. MTS- at this point I don't care what direction they go, just say what you mean and do what you say.... nothing they have done in 2+ years (at least with the hoops program) has shown they have any interest in following the "manifesto" they came out with as far as the program is concerned. They need to make this whole thing about BASKETBALL again... not what sponsors can we get, how can we make another $1000 at the game as the program flounders.....
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Post by siena2003 on Jan 18, 2013 13:22:06 GMT -5
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 18, 2013 13:32:17 GMT -5
beyond the obvious: get rid of the cafe seating in the one endzone. Make that end zone seating again for students- and when students aren't there, you give those to school kids or the Y, etc... - stop charging students for tickets- do your best to load up the end zones each game w/ students. Right now we have students in one endzone, pushed back 15 feet from the court and then the rest of them are pushed back into a corner section. - eliminate at least HALF the time-out marketing ploys. It is supremely annoying that they jam something into every window of opportunity, some stumbling into the teams coming back on the court. It is minor league BS and it looks it. - get rid of the tarps. again, minor league move recommended by some "consulting" firm to dummy up false demand. - spend as much time on the product ON the court as they do in finding ways to bilk every last dollar from it. The rollercoaster this program has had is a joke. Sure when you lose a coach, you may hit some bumps, by why the F do they need to completely bottom out every few years?? Any cache Siena had with the 3 year NCAA run is gone in a blink of an eye and the damage done right now won't be fully known for a while. - they charge 2 or 3 times more then any other team in the MAAC for tickets. why? currently our coach makes no more or less then most other MAAC schools, so why the additional expense? especially when they have stopped just short of hanging signs around the stands to get every last marketing dollar (and they actually have some signs up now!) and seem to not flinch when the program nose dives every few years. - why hire a consulting firm? its called winning, if you win and sustain a certain level of success, you will retain and gain fans. if you constantly do things that make even the die-hards question the commitment, well you do harm that isn't easily repaired. - this is a very crucial time for Siena basketball. maybe the most crucial time in its history and i have nearly zero confidence then people in charge will make the correct decisions. NOTHING they have done or said makes me think they will get this right. I pray I am wrong and they shock me, but when you bat around .500 in coaching hires, every once and a while you will have an 0-2 streak..... understandable concerns, but all of these cuts/changes, and you wouldn't be able to afford Dickie Hurley.
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Post by siena95 on Jan 18, 2013 13:43:40 GMT -5
HJ- horseshit---- FF is paying a lot for their coach and their ticket prices and game day schedule isn't like Siena's..... i dont see any team at siena's level with cafe seating, yet they manage to pay their coaches..... i dont think any other MAAC school charges for students to go to games, but they all seem to stay above water..... Siena is a business school, if they can't figure out a model where you have premiere sponsors and cut out a lot of the noise, lets face it, that is all that time out and halftime events are, noise, well then Siena should pack up and head back to the ARC and de-emphasize basketball. and lets just say I know pretty intimately what they bring in as far as sponsorship $$$ it isn't as much as you think and certainly not a sink or swim effect on their balance sheet.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 18, 2013 13:57:59 GMT -5
I dont think the seating is an issue at this point. The issue is the train wreck that is Siena Men's basketball. When the team starts heading in the right direction and winning the fans will be back. We can determine the issues around seating etc then. I dont have the cafe seating nor do i see anything wrong with it... currently.
everything that is wrong and that has to change at this point is in one single seat in the arena
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Post by saints22 on Jan 18, 2013 15:54:52 GMT -5
....when you bat around .500 in coaching hires, every once and a while you will have an 0-2 streak..... Which of Siena's head coaches you would not have hired, given what was known about each at the time they were hired? We're looking at John Griffin, Mike Deane, Bob Beyer, Paul Hewitt, Louis Orr, Rob Lanier, Fran Mccaffery and Mitch Buonaguro. Which ones would you not have hired, and why?
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Post by Tony on Jan 18, 2013 15:56:48 GMT -5
Talk like that is needed -but it can't come from us. The Administration has no respect for this board. It must came from those that have the ear of Father Kevin ! And those that spend money and support the program with BIG money !! If the Administration is afraid to loose money...they will feel the pressure! you'd be surprised if you knew who reads this board on a regular basis.. the administration might have zero respect for the board..but they sure read it enough
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Post by MTS on Jan 18, 2013 16:19:43 GMT -5
....when you bat around .500 in coaching hires, every once and a while you will have an 0-2 streak..... Which of Siena's head coaches you would not have hired, given what was known about each at the time they were hired? We're looking at John Griffin, Mike Deane, Bob Beyer, Paul Hewitt, Louis Orr, Rob Lanier, Fran Mccaffery and Mitch Buonaguro. Which ones would you not have hired, and why? I'd say Orr and Mitch ... Orr because I don't think he ever wanted to be here and Mitch because he had already failed once. Beyer is a little before my time. I believe he only had one year at Wisconsin and was at Siena under Deane for a while. Lanier and Hewitt (as I said in another post) had very similar resumes before Siena. Hit it out of the park with one - missed on the other.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 18, 2013 16:38:10 GMT -5
HJ- horseshit---- FF is paying a lot for their coach and their ticket prices and game day schedule isn't like Siena's..... i dont see any team at siena's level with cafe seating, yet they manage to pay their coaches..... i dont think any other MAAC school charges for students to go to games, but they all seem to stay above water..... Siena is a business school, if they can't figure out a model where you have premiere sponsors and cut out a lot of the noise, lets face it, that is all that time out and halftime events are, noise, well then Siena should pack up and head back to the ARC and de-emphasize basketball. and lets just say I know pretty intimately what they bring in as far as sponsorship $$$ it isn't as much as you think and certainly not a sink or swim effect on their balance sheet. Everrything you proposed would cost the program at least $100,000 in revenue. Then you want to pay a real coach "Fairfield guy, good money?" (how much is "good money" anyway?) We have a lot more bills than the other MAAC schools that "stay afloat." We just need to get a good coach, and PAY HIM! We have the money, we just don't like giving it up. Hopefully the administration ses that that being frugal, is costing the school thousands every day with such a pitiful program we're supposed to blindly support.
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Post by siena2003 on Jan 18, 2013 16:40:47 GMT -5
HJ- horseshit---- FF is paying a lot for their coach and their ticket prices and game day schedule isn't like Siena's..... i dont see any team at siena's level with cafe seating, yet they manage to pay their coaches..... i dont think any other MAAC school charges for students to go to games, but they all seem to stay above water..... Siena is a business school, if they can't figure out a model where you have premiere sponsors and cut out a lot of the noise, lets face it, that is all that time out and halftime events are, noise, well then Siena should pack up and head back to the ARC and de-emphasize basketball. and lets just say I know pretty intimately what they bring in as far as sponsorship $$$ it isn't as much as you think and certainly not a sink or swim effect on their balance sheet. Everrything you proposed would cost the program at least $100,000 in revenue. Then you want to pay a real coach "Fairfield guy, good money?" (how much is "good money" anyway?) We have a lot more bills than the other MAAC schools that "stay afloat." We just need to get a good coach, and PAY HIM! We have the money, we just don't like giving it up. Hopefully the administration ses that that being frugal, is costing the school thousands every day with such a pitiful program we're supposed to blindly support. Note to Father Kevin: 1. Make solid choice 2. Don't be cheap !
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Post by DelmartianEd on Jan 18, 2013 17:11:59 GMT -5
I'd like to see the Times Union Center do something more substantial with its end-court seating: for the basketball configuration, I'd like to see temporary stands that extend from courtside up over the existing end-court seats. The Section 110 student section is so dead, and those tarped-over seats weren't so valuable when they were available, because there's such a disconnect between them and the court.
Albany County/arena management would need to make that change as part of a larger plan to improve the arena. If this change was made, then it would make sense to keep the students only on the one side while continuing to extract money out of the other side. I wouldn't mind if the cafe seats were scrapped and replaced with a larger number of people in courtside seats. People facing the game and not just lounging around are going to give the arena more energy. The new courtside seats that were put in front of the dance team are the ones that ought to be removed.
If there were temporary end-court stands, a row of cafe seating could be put up on top of the temporary stands (on both ends, even). That would be a better place for cafe seating, just below the box seats and Citizens Bank Club.
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