Recruiting

[indian82]

Apr 2, 2017 20:27:57 GMT -5 th24 said:

Find a life people!

Contribute something meaningful. I asked this of you a while ago (may have been the second time):

Are you on record as saying it was totally appropriate for the coach to go on vacation (so far away and as inaccessible) as he did this time of year? Plus the way the offer to Nash was handled in January? Did we have an open scholarship then? I honestly do not know.

[hoopjunkie]

Apr 2, 2017 15:45:12 GMT -5 hoopdad said:

Agree with Papi on next year's team. I think the whole will be better than the sum of the parts.

Then I guess we should be picked 1st it 2nd next year?! Like last years team was.

[Deleted]

Apr 2, 2017 20:27:57 GMT -5 th24 said:

Find a life people!

Once we find a winning coach, we get a double benefit by being back on track to find the life we used to enjoy with well coached teams....so your advice is good - thanks - we are looking.....we will find....

[sienafanallyearlong2]

Not a huge JP fan but not a huge hater either.

I do know we could do much better for a new young HC, but sometimes patience(see Monmouth) and stability(see Gonzaga) is the best thing for long term growth.

"If" JP did improve, and get better at his craft, where better recruiting and game time coaching led to more wins and championships and post season berths, he probably at this stage of his life and coaching career and age and level of success to date, would make him a Siena lifer.

I know most of you are getting sick to your stomach right now

But it could play out that way.

Stability is huge in the recruiting world.

Yes, he has not produced a MAAC Championship or NCAA or NIT bid but he has not killed this program either.

For the most part he trys to play up tempo ball that is entertaining.

He may be well behind McCaffrey and Hewitt and Deane, but he is light years ahead of Mitch ball and Lanier and Beyer as well.

I think the real and most pressing issue lies more with JD and the current administration than it does with JP.

Everyone including coach should be accountable but the vision must come from the AD and President.

We need more vision and action at the top than we do a new coach right now.

We need to see something from Siena that tells us they are serious about the health of this program.

We need a sacrificial lamb right now.

I would say keep JP and get rid of JD and do it right now this week, like tomorrow with the official end to the college basketball season.

They (JP & JD)don't have to go out together.

It would save the school money by keeping JP, at least for this year.

It will probably help in us being able to keep Nico.

It would give the fan base something to have faith in.

To see that the President and current administration realizes that the college is at a very important crossroads in their MB Program right now.

It would put JP on notice that there's a new boss in town and you have a year to either sink or swim with the new guy.

It would help energize the fan base.

Obviously JD has his eye on bigger things himself or he would not have been interviewing for the St. Johns job.

So must you as a college.

Apathy is the worst thing that can happen to a program, and right now with the local casual basketball fan, we are well beyond being below that line to being relavent locally to them, much less beyond the Capital Region.

Not many people outside the core group of 4/5k fans, care about Siena Basketball any longer. My guess is that their Time Warner ratings have also gone down. This would be an indicator of such apathy.

When the current fan base of 60 (+) aged fans(for which there are many) is not replaced by younger alumni, and the local casual fan no longer has pride in its local college's success any longer, Siena will soon drop to even greater depths.

Listen up Siena.

The people on this board are your die hards.

We are the people who really care about you.

We need to see someone go.

The pulse of the program is at serious risk right now.

JD may be a nice guy but his comfort level just has not pushed him to do anything to provide results for many years.

You have to fire JD.

You have to get a new young well connected aspiring associate AD or SID from a Power Conference School and make him your AD, and you need to do it right now.

You have to get a guy who is looking to put something on his resume that will get him a Power Conference School AD job.

Remember, the only common thread for the last 4 Mens Basketball Coaches and past 17 years, with only one successful 5 yr. stint to date, is JD as your AD.

Make the decision. He will be fine. He will survive a firing, but your program may not if you dont act now.

It's time for new blood at the top.

Fire JD.

[Deleted]

If you had good paragraph structure, I'm sure the administration would get right on this.

Talk to MTS. He's good at writing letters.

[MTS]

If Siena ever wants to be an elite mid-major again D'Arg has to go along with Patsos. The school also needs to embrace the recruiting and academic philosophies of 2017.

18 years ago a team that is going to play for the national championship tonight essentially was Siena College.

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future" - John F. Kennedy

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Stability is a quality that is not immediately evident in our HC - I did toss my breakfast so back to the toaster - a life sentence, even with a chance at parole, would be a killer for me...

[greengold4ever]

Apr 3, 2017 9:45:31 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

If you had good paragraph structure, I'm sure the administration would get right no this.

Talk to MTS. He's good at writing letters.

of course, it would be great if the Siena Admins were like those that run the LPGA.....................where an anonymous email out of the blue can sabotage a golf tournament 24 hours after the infraction took place...........

[Deleted]

Apr 3, 2017 9:47:48 GMT -5 MTS said:

If Siena ever wants to be an elite mid-major again D'Arg has to go along with Patsos. The school also needs to embrace the recruiting and academic philosophies of 2017.

18 years ago a team that is going to play for the national championship tonight essentially was Siena College.

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future" - John F. Kennedy

"Please don't kill me Mike D'Amico" - John F. Murray

[indian82]

Apr 3, 2017 9:47:48 GMT -5 MTS said:

If Siena ever wants to be an elite mid-major again D'Arg has to go along with Patsos. The school also needs to embrace the recruiting and academic philosophies of 2017.

18 years ago a team that is going to play for the national championship tonight essentially was Siena College.

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future" - John F. Kennedy

18 years ago that team that 'essentially was Siena College' played in the Elite 8 and lost by 5 to the eventual NCAA champ by 5 points to stop their drive to the Final Four.

You have to go back farther than 18 years to make them essentially Siena College. They are EXTREMELY lucky to have been able to keep Few for as long as they have. Monson, who preceded Few and is almost the same age, left Gonzaga after only 2 years at the helm when he took them to the Elite 8. Gonzaga and Siena have some similarities, but they have double the students (including a sizable graduate program) and a 26% larger endowment.

And Spokane is significantly larger than Albany and not dominated by government, meaning there are more larger businesses that can contribute more and generate interest.

[greengold4ever]

Apr 3, 2017 11:29:16 GMT -5 indian82 said:

Apr 3, 2017 9:47:48 GMT -5 MTS said:

If Siena ever wants to be an elite mid-major again D'Arg has to go along with Patsos. The school also needs to embrace the recruiting and academic philosophies of 2017.

18 years ago a team that is going to play for the national championship tonight essentially was Siena College.

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future" - John F. Kennedy

18 years ago that team that 'essentially was Siena College' played in the Elite 8 and lost by 5 to the eventual NCAA champ by 5 points to stop their drive to the Final Four.

You have to go back farther than 18 years to make them essentially Siena College. They are EXTREMELY lucky to have been able to keep Few for as long as they have. Monson, who preceded Few and is almost the same age, left Gonzaga after only 2 years at the helm when he took them to the Elite 8. Gonzaga and Siena have some similarities, but they have double the students (including a sizable graduate program) and a 26% larger endowment.

And Spokane is significantly larger than Albany and not dominated by government, meaning there are more larger businesses that can contribute more and generate interest.

I agree, and their rise to the level we see now is the fact that they now draw NBA-caliber talent to their rosters every yr..............they clearly jumped way over the mid-major status once that started happening more regularly...............

[MTS]

Apr 3, 2017 11:29:16 GMT -5 indian82 said:

Apr 3, 2017 9:47:48 GMT -5 MTS said:

If Siena ever wants to be an elite mid-major again D'Arg has to go along with Patsos. The school also needs to embrace the recruiting and academic philosophies of 2017.

18 years ago a team that is going to play for the national championship tonight essentially was Siena College.

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future" - John F. Kennedy

18 years ago that team that 'essentially was Siena College' played in the Elite 8 and lost by 5 to the eventual NCAA champ by 5 points to stop their drive to the Final Four.

You have to go back farther than 18 years to make them essentially Siena College. They are EXTREMELY lucky to have been able to keep Few for as long as they have. Monson, who preceded Few and is almost the same age, left Gonzaga after only 2 years at the helm when he took them to the Elite 8. Gonzaga and Siena have some similarities, but they have double the students (including a sizable graduate program) and a 26% larger endowment.

And Spokane is significantly larger than Albany and not dominated by government, meaning there are more larger businesses that can contribute more and generate interest.

If you believe the talking heads (always risky) Gonzaga had a lot of financial issues in the 1990's and there was even talk about de-emphasizing their basketball programs. They have double the students/grad program/endowment etc now but what was it 20 years ago?

Siena had actually been in the NCAA and won an NCAA game before Gonzaga did and in 1999 they both had been to two NCAA tournaments.

Spokane is bigger but also have to compete with pro sports team. Siena still draws about the same (of course Gonzaga plays in a 6,000 on-campus arena)

You're right though they hit the jackpot with Few - a total anomaly.

I'm not saying Siena was ever going to be Gonzaga (perfect storm) but there were pretty similar programs not that long ago (15-20 years). Gonzaga became a blood blue national program. While that likely would not have happened here but Siena blew a chance to at least be a "poor man's version of them.

[sky]

Apr 3, 2017 9:41:56 GMT -5 sienafanallyearlong2 said:

Not a huge JP fan but not a huge hater either.

I do know we could do much better for a new young HC, but sometimes patience(see Monmouth) and stability(see Gonzaga) is the best thing for long term growth.

"If" JP did improve, and get better at his craft, where better recruiting and game time coaching led to more wins and championships and post season berths, he probably at this stage of his life and coaching career and age and level of success to date, would make him a Siena lifer.

I know most of you are getting sick to your stomach right now

But it could play out that way.

Stability is huge in the recruiting world.

Yes, he has not produced a MAAC Championship or NCAA or NIT bid but he has not killed this program either.

For the most part he trys to play up tempo ball that is entertaining.

He may be well behind McCaffrey and Hewitt and Deane, but he is light years ahead of Mitch ball and Lanier and Beyer as well.

I think the real and most pressing issue lies more with JD and the current administration than it does with JP.

Everyone including coach should be accountable but the vision must come from the AD and President.

We need more vision and action at the top than we do a new coach right now.

We need to see something from Siena that tells us they are serious about the health of this program.

We need a sacrificial lamb right now.

I would say keep JP and get rid of JD and do it right now this week, like tomorrow with the official end to the college basketball season.

They (JP & JD)don't have to go out together.

It would save the school money by keeping JP, at least for this year.

It will probably help in us being able to keep Nico.

It would give the fan base something to have faith in.

To see that the President and current administration realizes that the college is at a very important crossroads in their MB Program right now.

It would put JP on notice that there's a new boss in town and you have a year to either sink or swim with the new guy.

It would help energize the fan base.

Obviously JD has his eye on bigger things himself or he would not have been interviewing for the St. Johns job.

So must you as a college.

Apathy is the worst thing that can happen to a program, and right now with the local casual basketball fan, we are well beyond being below that line to being relavent locally to them, much less beyond the Capital Region.

Not many people outside the core group of 4/5k fans, care about Siena Basketball any longer. My guess is that their Time Warner ratings have also gone down. This would be an indicator of such apathy.

When the current fan base of 60 (+) aged fans(for which there are many) is not replaced by younger alumni, and the local casual fan no longer has pride in its local college's success any longer, Siena will soon drop to even greater depths.

Listen up Siena.

The people on this board are your die hards.

We are the people who really care about you.

We need to see someone go.

The pulse of the program is at serious risk right now.

JD may be a nice guy but his comfort level just has not pushed him to do anything to provide results for many years.

You have to fire JD.

You have to get a new young well connected aspiring associate AD or SID from a Power Conference School and make him your AD, and you need to do it right now.

You have to get a guy who is looking to put something on his resume that will get him a Power Conference School AD job.

Remember, the only common thread for the last 4 Mens Basketball Coaches and past 17 years, with only one successful 5 yr. stint to date, is JD as your AD.

Make the decision. He will be fine. He will survive a firing, but your program may not if you dont act now.

It's time for new blood at the top.

Fire JD.

I agree with a few parts of your post but can you tell me why JP would change or if he is even capable of doing things differently...sort of like the people that can't talk if their hands are not moving...

[greenblood]

Hey now, I am in that hands have to be moving group!!! But I agree about the leopard changing spots.

[Deleted]

Perhaps JP visited a zoo in Nam and meditated with an Indochinese leopard asking for advice - like him, that species is endangered and has been subject to poaching - they also share the threat of habitat loss - I'm sure the leopard told him changing spots is impossible 🐯