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Post by th24 on Jan 18, 2017 21:43:05 GMT -5
Siena radio was talking about Baggett's attude/behavior before anything happened. That kinda shit trickles down to the other coaches and players! #Pathetic #asshole
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Post by saints22 on Jan 18, 2017 21:51:45 GMT -5
An assistant definitely tried to get in the stands as they were leaving the court. He and a few other suits were the last ones to leave. I heard someone threw some popcorn towards them, and the guy flipped out and had to be restrained by TUC security. If I had to guess, I'd say it was Marlon Guild. If this is accurate, I don't blame the assistant for being upset. Wanting to go into the stands is extreme, but the fan(atic) had no business throwing popcorn or anything else at the Rider people on their way out. And I don't blame Baggett for not wanting his players to shake hands. Had the scuffle taken place earlier in the game, tempers/emotions would probably have cooled down by the time for the handshake line. But this happened very late in the game. I think there was a real possibility that something could have started again with everyone (except the two ejected players) going through the line. I just wish that Baggett had met Jimmy at mid-court, shook hands, and said something like "Let's forget the line and just get our guys in the locker rooms". Of course, if that had happened, we wouldn't have had the phantom handshake, which I thought was pretty funny.
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Post by saints22 on Jan 18, 2017 21:58:06 GMT -5
Exactly. End of story, he got what he deserved, a senior has to be smarter, now he has to sit during a crucial game. Actually I think the push was a good thing. A sign of togetherness. Quis was standing up for the freshman PG. Rider was borderline dirty all night. Sometimes another player PROVING he's got your back, can help a team close their circle even tighter and achieve great things. This is a team that has had its heart and intensity questioned. I think we got an answer this past week. I hear what you're saying, but I don't know that he deserves to be suspended. Yes,Marquis pushed the guy. That happens all the time. Technical, no suspension. The other guy threw a punch. Automatic suspension. But by losing his composure (if he has any), Marquis has now hurt the team, not himself. Not having him tomorrow night is a big deal. The Rider coach deserved to be reprimanded, and in my mind, suspended. I don’t know why Jimmy was even reprimanded (unless it was for the phantom handshake thing after the game, which I thought was pretty funny). I may have missed something, but I didn’t see him doing anything inappropriate. Once the Rider coach started to go off, Jimmy was sticking up for his players. I blame the refs for the whole thing. The game was very physical right from the beginning. As you say, the Rider players were "borderline dirty all night". Very few fouls were called in the first half, when (in my opinion) several more could have been called, particularly against Rider. Lots of banging, pushing, grabbing, etc. But the refs “let them play”. Too much so, as far as I’m concerned. Then things escalated as the game progressed. Marquis got hammered going to the basket, as did JO, and one other Siena guy (might have been Khalil). The scuffle occurred immediately after the foul on JO, late in the game. Fortunately we’ve already played our two games against Rider, so we don’t have to be concerned about any lingering animosities unless we face them in the tournament.
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Post by skipc on Jan 18, 2017 22:16:32 GMT -5
Actually I think the push was a good thing. A sign of togetherness. Quis was standing up for the freshman PG. Rider was borderline dirty all night. Sometimes another player PROVING he's got your back, can help a team close their circle even tighter and achieve great things. This is a team that has had its heart and intensity questioned. I think we got an answer this past week. I hear what you're saying, but I don't know that he deserves to be suspended. Yes,Marquis pushed the guy. That happens all the time. Technical, no suspension. The other guy threw a punch. Automatic suspension. But by losing his composure (if he has any), Marquis has now hurt the team, not himself. Not having him tomorrow night is a big deal. The Rider coach deserved to be reprimanded, and in my mind, suspended. I don’t know why Jimmy was even reprimanded (unless it was for the phantom handshake thing after the game, which I thought was pretty funny). I may have missed something, but I didn’t see him doing anything inappropriate. Once the Rider coach started to go off, Jimmy was sticking up for his players. I blame the refs for the whole thing. The game was very physical right from the beginning. As you say, the Rider players were "borderline dirty all night". Very few fouls were called in the first half, when (in my opinion) several more could have been called, particularly against Rider. Lots of banging, pushing, grabbing, etc. But the refs “let them play”. Too much so, as far as I’m concerned. Then things escalated as the game progressed. Marquis got hammered going to the basket, as did JO, and one other Siena guy (might have been Khalil). The scuffle occurred immediately after the foul on JO, late in the game. Fortunately we’ve already played our two games against Rider, so we don’t have to be concerned about any lingering animosities unless we face them in the tournament. Once it elevated to a full blown scrum, Quis’ fate was sealed- the ref’s had to Flagrant 2 the initiator and the guy throwing the punches. When the ref’s allow the level of physicality they did last night, the players don’t know where the line is and when it gets crossed,it usually ends up badly. Poor job by ref’s of not only reigning it in but assigning fouls on two occasions to the wrong player.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 18, 2017 22:18:48 GMT -5
Actually I think the push was a good thing. A sign of togetherness. Quis was standing up for the freshman PG. Rider was borderline dirty all night. Sometimes another player PROVING he's got your back, can help a team close their circle even tighter and achieve great things. This is a team that has had its heart and intensity questioned. I think we got an answer this past week. I hear what you're saying, but I don't know that he deserves to be suspended. Yes,Marquis pushed the guy. That happens all the time. Technical, no suspension. The other guy threw a punch. Automatic suspension. But by losing his composure (if he has any), Marquis has now hurt the team, not himself. Not having him tomorrow night is a big deal. The Rider coach deserved to be reprimanded, and in my mind, suspended. I don’t know why Jimmy was even reprimanded (unless it was for the phantom handshake thing after the game, which I thought was pretty funny). I may have missed something, but I didn’t see him doing anything inappropriate. Once the Rider coach started to go off, Jimmy was sticking up for his players. I blame the refs for the whole thing. The game was very physical right from the beginning. As you say, the Rider players were "borderline dirty all night". Very few fouls were called in the first half, when (in my opinion) several more could have been called, particularly against Rider. Lots of banging, pushing, grabbing, etc. But the refs “let them play”. Too much so, as far as I’m concerned. Then things escalated as the game progressed. Marquis got hammered going to the basket, as did JO, and one other Siena guy (might have been Khalil). The scuffle occurred immediately after the foul on JO, late in the game. Fortunately we’ve already played our two games against Rider, so we don’t have to be concerned about any lingering animosities unless we face them in the tournament. I agree with a lot of this, but pushes don't happen "all the time" that's why the flagrant 2 rule was implement. It's an excessive use of force on a non basketball play. It is arguable that he should receive a suspension but not surprising. Hopefully patsos can use this as a teaching moment and get him to realize time and score. You are right, we need him tomorrow. The radio guys said exactly what you said, this was the refs fault. They let the game get out of control. Rider is not running a clean program right now. 4 techs, a flagrant 2 and a flagrant 1 in 5 days is too much. The mascot interrupting the radio feed and pulling the plug on Siena is amateurish. The league should seriously send a message to rider instead of politically evening out the punishment.
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Post by fanimal on Jan 18, 2017 22:24:27 GMT -5
i really think JP did Baggett a favor with the air shake-he defused an ugly situation and even in the postgame comments didn't throw him under the bus-but dismissed it as in the heat of the moment. He also did Siena, Rider and the Maac a favor by providing a tongue-in-cheek example of the sportsmanship that should have transpired. All the focus in the press centered on the handshake that wasn't instead of the fight. Yes Saints22-Baggett could have and should have met JP half court to shake hands to model sportsmanlike behavior to his team-and even showed up at the press interview after . But he didn't-and exacerbated the whole damn thing.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 18, 2017 22:37:11 GMT -5
Exactly. End of story, he got what he deserved, a senior has to be smarter, now he has to sit during a crucial game. Actually I think the push was a good thing. A sign of togetherness. Quis was standing up for the freshman PG. Rider was borderline dirty all night. Sometimes another player PROVING he's got your back, can help a team close their circle even tighter and achieve great things. This is a team that has had its heart and intensity questioned. I think we got an answer this past week. I can also see this point of view and I'm not gonna say it's wrong, however IMO you could also say MW has now hurt his team by putting himself in a situation that has now caused a suspension. This team is fighting for every win after a long and shitty start, every win at this juncture is important and I would have liked our chances at SP with him better.
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Post by hockeyguy on Jan 18, 2017 22:49:28 GMT -5
This game may set-up for the mid-major monster (copyright pending) lineup I posted on a different thread (adding WB to the mix, giving LL the keys) box out and make Wyche (6'1") shoot over the top (high arc, tall rebound, only Welton 6'8" for SPU, all the rest shorter). I didn't see SPU at Albany but from what I can infer from statistics on their web page, they play 6 guys 20 minutes or more and 3 more 11 minutes or more. 2 things from that, while not very tall they will keep coming like a pack of tireless yappy little dogs all night long, that can be tough on freshmen on the road on offense. Second, that many players gives way to a lot of potential different looks on offense for SPU, again tough for freshmen to read and defend. I go with as many of the older guys as Siena can, even if it is totally unconventional.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 18, 2017 22:53:40 GMT -5
Actually I think the push was a good thing. A sign of togetherness. Quis was standing up for the freshman PG. Rider was borderline dirty all night. Sometimes another player PROVING he's got your back, can help a team close their circle even tighter and achieve great things. This is a team that has had its heart and intensity questioned. I think we got an answer this past week. I can also see this point of view and I'm not gonna say it's wrong, however IMO you could also say MW has now hurt his team by putting himself in a situation that has now caused a suspension. This team is fighting for every win after a long and shitty start, every win at this juncture is important and I would have liked our chances at SP with him better. And last week you would have said you liked our chances better with Nico, right? Most would have. I can live with MW missing a game if it helps the team over the next 15-20 games, and I think it will. Let's be honest here. IF the Rider player doesn't fall down, this isnt even an incident. He did, so it looked worse than it was. With the state of this team, this may continue to spark the team and really unify them. I've seen many teams rise up when their best player isn't playing. St Peters will probably think they have this easily. Let's see how it plays out. It's only one game. Here's opening a couple freshman earn their feathers tomorrow night.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 18, 2017 23:15:51 GMT -5
I can also see this point of view and I'm not gonna say it's wrong, however IMO you could also say MW has now hurt his team by putting himself in a situation that has now caused a suspension. This team is fighting for every win after a long and shitty start, every win at this juncture is important and I would have liked our chances at SP with him better. And last week you would have said you liked our chances better with Nico, right? Most would have. I can live with MW missing a game if it helps the teams over the next 15-20 games, and I think it will. Let's be honest here. IF the Rider player doesn't fall down, this isnt even an incident. He did, so it looked worse than it was. With the state if this team, this may continue to spark the team and really unify them. I've seen many teams rise up when their best player isn't playing. St Peters will probably think they have this easily. Let's see how it plays out. It's only one game. Here's opening a couple freshman earn their feathers tomorrow night. Fair enough.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jan 19, 2017 7:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by siena70 on Jan 19, 2017 7:32:56 GMT -5
And last week you would have said you liked our chances better with Nico, right? Most would have. I can live with MW missing a game if it helps the teams over the next 15-20 games, and I think it will. Let's be honest here. IF the Rider player doesn't fall down, this isnt even an incident. He did, so it looked worse than it was. With the state if this team, this may continue to spark the team and really unify them. I've seen many teams rise up when their best player isn't playing. St Peters will probably think they have this easily. Let's see how it plays out. It's only one game. Here's opening a couple freshman earn their feathers tomorrow night. Fair enough. I hope you are right. I understand how physical contact triggers a fight or flight response. JP needs to coach his players to walk away for the good of the team. A game without MW, with no reliable backup PG on the team, could end the win streak and lose the momentum going forward. The really good coaches don't goof like JP and teach their players discipline. The no other offer recruits, on court antics, etc. I hope Siena makes a move soon. JP is not taking this program higher.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 19, 2017 8:51:48 GMT -5
I hope you are right. I understand how physical contact triggers a fight or flight response. JP needs to coach his players to walk away for the good of the team. A game without MW, with no reliable backup PG on the team, could end the win streak and lose the momentum going forward. The really good coaches don't goof like JP and teach their players discipline. The no other offer recruits, on court antics, etc. I hope Siena makes a move soon. JP is not taking this program higher. Before we blame "no Marquis" IF we lose this game @ St Peters, lets all remember, that we haven't won in Jersey City in a long time. Even WITH MW. The 4 game winning streak is/was happening, and can only be considered good news, unless some peoples minds are already made up. Siena was on ESPN more than Duke yesterday, and for all the right reasons. We looked good, Rider looked bad. GREAT day for Siena basketball. Let's keep the positive momentum going forward.
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Post by th24 on Jan 19, 2017 9:49:28 GMT -5
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 19, 2017 11:31:48 GMT -5
In hindsight, and if true, I can believe it. But when it actually occurred, without this new insight, I was upset with him and his overall actions (especially how he handled the yelling at MW part and not attempting to "control his team"). Besides I don't like Rider for how they treat Siena fans while at Rider's gym. So, I'll probably continue to bad mouth him.
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