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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 13:57:13 GMT -5
Who the hell cares who starts? All I care about is who finishes. Your subs could wind up getting more or the same minutes as your starters so I agree.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 20, 2012 21:04:44 GMT -5
Tony, I wouldn't place as much weight on Mitch's record as head coach w/FF. That was decades ago. We really can't use the past two years either since he never had the roster he has now (to many key injuries/eligibility issues last two years). What he accomplished last year was beyond anyone's expectations. This year will show how good a coach he is. I'm confident he'll do just fine from here on out (barring 5 or 6 injuries). In what other field could you yield similar results separated by decades and not be held accountable? I'm sure there were some Fairfield fans in the middle of that long losing stretch that insisted there were other circumstances that werent Coach Bs fault and that he deserved to stay. I didn't say Mitch shouldn't be held accountable, all I said is not to put too much weight in his record at FF. As I said, that was a long time ago and I believe Mitch is a better head coach now then back then. I also said look at last year when he won more games than anyone would have expected him to (after all the injuries/eligibility issues/departure). His numbers may not indicate it, but Mitch is a very good coach. Just wait and see. I don't need his W/L record as a head coach to sway my opinion away from what I know to be true.
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Post by MTS on Oct 20, 2012 21:30:40 GMT -5
In what other field could you yield similar results separated by decades and not be held accountable? I'm sure there were some Fairfield fans in the middle of that long losing stretch that insisted there were other circumstances that werent Coach Bs fault and that he deserved to stay. I didn't say Mitch shouldn't be held accountable, all I said is not to put too much weight in his record at FF. As I said, that was a long time ago and I believe Mitch is a better head coach now then back then. I also said look at last year when he won more games than anyone would have expected him to (after all the injuries/eligibility issues/departure). His numbers may not indicate it, but Mitch is a very good coach. Just wait and see. I don't need his W/L record as a head coach to sway my opinion away from what I know to be true. I certainly hope you are right. But as Bill Parcells (a guest last week at practice) used to say "You are what your record says you are"... Mitch needs a big season. Last year considering the situation I think he did a nice job. Now it's time to win a lot of games and seriously contend for the MAAC title.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 20, 2012 21:55:03 GMT -5
I didn't say Mitch shouldn't be held accountable, all I said is not to put too much weight in his record at FF. As I said, that was a long time ago and I believe Mitch is a better head coach now then back then. I also said look at last year when he won more games than anyone would have expected him to (after all the injuries/eligibility issues/departure). His numbers may not indicate it, but Mitch is a very good coach. Just wait and see. I don't need his W/L record as a head coach to sway my opinion away from what I know to be true. I certainly hope you are right. But as Bill Parcells (a guest last week at practice) used to say "You are what your record says you are"... Mitch needs a big season. Last year considering the situation I think he did a nice job. Now it's time to win a lot of games and seriously contend for the MAAC title. MTS, I can't explain it. It's more like a gut feeling (that's supported by all the little things). Sure Mitch struggled his 1st year at Siena. Anyone away from a particular job for as long as he was needed to get the rust off. Being a Head coach is different than being an excellent Assistant. I admit I had doubts part way through that first year. But, at no time did the Team doubt him (like the Team doubted Lanier back when the Team won 4 games in a row at the MAAC Tournament (not listening to Lanier)). Mitch never seemed to have that revolt from his players. Mitch then got the help he needed (because he found out he couldn't do both jobs) when he hired better Assistants. Admitting you need help is the first step. Those players rallied around him and the new assistants and played their butts off. They wouldn't have necessarily done that if they believed we wasn't a good coach. I don't believe looking at W-Ls last year can tell the story of how good of a coach he really is. That's why this year will show it. Finally, listening to other coaches talk about him. They all seem to believe he "has it" to be a good Head Coach. I don't know, I guess we all see what we want to see. I'm always trying to see the positive in most situations.
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Post by gosaints on Oct 22, 2012 10:09:33 GMT -5
In Mitch's first year he had a little bit of a "stubborn" steak in him coupled with the fact he was losing his temper more often than not. He improved in these areas last year and if he continues to do so, listens to his assistants and players they should win +20 games this year. If not he deserves to be on the "Hot seat"!
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Post by albanysaint on Oct 22, 2012 10:24:32 GMT -5
In Mitch's first year he had a little bit of a "stubborn" steak in him coupled with the fact he was losing his temper more often than not. He improved in these areas last year and if he continues to do so, listens to his assistants and players they should win +20 games this year. If not he deserves to be on the "Hot seat"! by hot seat, do you mean one more season or do you mean replaced?
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Post by gosaints on Oct 22, 2012 10:42:02 GMT -5
What I mean by "hot seat" is that if Mitch reverts back to his first seasons coaching approach to the game he should be replaced. It appears the "team" is moving forward and will continue to improve, Mitch must do likewise or goodbye!
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Post by albanysaint on Oct 22, 2012 13:39:17 GMT -5
What I mean by "hot seat" is that if Mitch reverts back to his first seasons coaching approach to the game he should be replaced. It appears the "team" is moving forward and will continue to improve, Mitch must do likewise or goodbye! lets say that he doesnt revert to stubbornness etc and the team finishes 16-14. What should happen?
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 22, 2012 19:07:37 GMT -5
I thought Tony was over exaggerating with the 75% comment above. Went and looked. Mitch is 32-101 good for a .241 win pctg. in games that the opponent scores over 75. wow. On the bright side, he has done better at Siena. He is .257% here (9-26) I wouldn't read too much into stats like Tony's and Albanysaint's. Stats can be manipulated anyway you want. For example, a positive spin on Mitch's last two years shows he has a .679 winning % (19-9) when Siena holds an opponent to 65 points or less. 11-7 last year and 7-2 his first year. So it would seem that if Siena plays defense they tend to win more games. That statement isn't necessarily true either. But, stats can show anything you want them to show. One would think a 7-2 record is good in 2010-11, but considering that only makes up 1/3 of that season's total games it doesn't seem that good. Last years 11-7 record at least represents a larger portion of total games played that year. I do agree with Tony, in that, Siena should be able to score more than 70 pts a game this year. Let's hope they still play defense while scoring those 70+ points and win 20 games this year.
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Post by albanysaint on Oct 22, 2012 20:13:43 GMT -5
I thought Tony was over exaggerating with the 75% comment above. Went and looked. Mitch is 32-101 good for a .241 win pctg. in games that the opponent scores over 75. wow. On the bright side, he has done better at Siena. He is .257% here (9-26) I wouldn't read too much into stats like Tony's and Albanysaint's. Stats can be manipulated anyway you want. For example, a positive spin on Mitch's last two years shows he has a .679 winning % (19-9) when Siena holds an opponent to 65 points or less. 11-7 last year and 7-2 his first year. So it would seem that if Siena plays defense they tend to win more games. That statement isn't necessarily true either. But, stats can show anything you want them to show. One would think a 7-2 record is good in 2010-11, but considering that only makes up 1/3 of that season's total games it doesn't seem that good. Last years 11-7 record at least represents a larger portion of total games played that year. I do agree with Tony, in that, Siena should be able to score more than 70 pts a game this year. Let's hope they still play defense while scoring those 70+ points and win 20 games this year. wow. I've never seen spin on a crappy record like this. I understand the want to give a man a chance but for some reason some people see an excuse for each and every loss that has occurred for Mitch as a head coach. you cant read into his record. I really need to find a job where regardless of my production I can make almost $300,000 a year dont forget to mention as you posted about mitch's improvement that the strength of schedule took a nose dive last year and is even worse this year. The strength of schedules were first year of 157 and last year 206. This years will probably be around 250-275. prior to that it was 120, 60, 113, 209 (the double games against NJIT), 127. and mind you, mitch didnt make the 157 schedule. Much of that was in place from the prior coach. stunned
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Post by El Guano!! on Oct 23, 2012 9:47:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't read too much into stats like Tony's and Albanysaint's. Stats can be manipulated anyway you want. For example, a positive spin on Mitch's last two years shows he has a .679 winning % (19-9) when Siena holds an opponent to 65 points or less. 11-7 last year and 7-2 his first year. So it would seem that if Siena plays defense they tend to win more games. That statement isn't necessarily true either. But, stats can show anything you want them to show. One would think a 7-2 record is good in 2010-11, but considering that only makes up 1/3 of that season's total games it doesn't seem that good. Last years 11-7 record at least represents a larger portion of total games played that year. I do agree with Tony, in that, Siena should be able to score more than 70 pts a game this year. Let's hope they still play defense while scoring those 70+ points and win 20 games this year. wow. I've never seen spin on a crappy record like this. I understand the want to give a man a chance but for some reason some people see an excuse for each and every loss that has occurred for Mitch as a head coach. you cant read into his record. I really need to find a job where regardless of my production I can make almost $300,000 a year dont forget to mention as you posted about mitch's improvement that the strength of schedule took a nose dive last year and is even worse this year. The strength of schedules were first year of 157 and last year 206. This years will probably be around 250-275. prior to that it was 120, 60, 113, 209 (the double games against NJIT), 127. and mind you, mitch didnt make the 157 schedule. Much of that was in place from the prior coach. stunned [shadow=red,left,300]Senor Albanysaint[/shadow] maybe some hot chilis will give you something else to think about... no? Take a siesta and await da good news manana when we sign de big man from Troy!!! ;D VIVA LA SAINTS!!
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Post by BigChiefDeane on Oct 23, 2012 10:27:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't read too much into stats like Tony's and Albanysaint's. Stats can be manipulated anyway you want. For example, a positive spin on Mitch's last two years shows he has a .679 winning % (19-9) when Siena holds an opponent to 65 points or less. 11-7 last year and 7-2 his first year. So it would seem that if Siena plays defense they tend to win more games. That statement isn't necessarily true either. But, stats can show anything you want them to show. One would think a 7-2 record is good in 2010-11, but considering that only makes up 1/3 of that season's total games it doesn't seem that good. Last years 11-7 record at least represents a larger portion of total games played that year. I do agree with Tony, in that, Siena should be able to score more than 70 pts a game this year. Let's hope they still play defense while scoring those 70+ points and win 20 games this year. wow. I've never seen spin on a crappy record like this. I understand the want to give a man a chance but for some reason some people see an excuse for each and every loss that has occurred for Mitch as a head coach. you cant read into his record. I really need to find a job where regardless of my production I can make almost $300,000 a year dont forget to mention as you posted about mitch's improvement that the strength of schedule took a nose dive last year and is even worse this year. The strength of schedules were first year of 157 and last year 206. This years will probably be around 250-275. prior to that it was 120, 60, 113, 209 (the double games against NJIT), 127. and mind you, mitch didnt make the 157 schedule. Much of that was in place from the prior coach. stunned Ugh. Much success ahead. Siena play full America East schedule next year. I see 14-14 with new coach.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 23, 2012 11:45:00 GMT -5
Albanysaaint: "wow. I've never seen spin on a crappy record like this. I understand the want to give a man a chance but for some reason some people see an excuse for each and every loss that has occurred for Mitch as a head coach."
I (& hopefully many other Siena fans) do not view at least last year's record as lousy. In fact it is considered a Hugh improvement over the prior year. It still amazes me that some can't see that and only dwell on the Ws alone.
Stats can be misleading.
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Post by gosaints on Oct 23, 2012 14:42:13 GMT -5
"lets say that he doesn't revert to stubbornness etc and the team finishes 16-14. What should happen"
If Mitch goes 16 and 14 with this years schedule he should be replaced.
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Post by siena2003 on Oct 23, 2012 15:05:54 GMT -5
Last season...the team never gave up on Mitch or themselves!! They was key to the season last year and in the MAAC !!! And why this is going to be 20+ WIN TEAM !!
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