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Post by indian82 on Nov 28, 2015 16:27:30 GMT -5
espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400841139Papi must have wood- Siena shot 10/18 from downtown - 22/27 from the FT line. JO 15,9 and 3 blocks Marquis 21, 6, 3 and the block which help send the game into OT. Nico with 14 and Worm with 11 - 25 from the young guys. Brett with 15 and 8 - all points in the second half including that HUGE three in OT. Without the 3 point shooting this is a crippling loss. It's a game changer. Yup - It helped but Loyola had the exact same number of points from 3. It didn't change the game for them. Any critical points, key defensive stops and smart basketball can be called a game changer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 16:33:38 GMT -5
A little back and forth diatribe never hurt anyone. Some people have stronger opinions than others. So what. KK's a big boy and I don't mind him coming back at me. After its all said and done everyone just wants a W! I like your thinking....Here is to 5 -2! I like his thoughts also...just not 4-5 page, two man pissing matches lol. 5-2 it is then
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Post by Tony on Nov 28, 2015 16:42:59 GMT -5
Good win today- not Jimmy’s best coaching job, GG was ready for Siena’s press, Hounds were consistently beating it leading to 3 on 2’s for Loyola – and to Loyola players credit they hit those open 3’s and once they got some confidence started hitting some tough shots. Jimmy wanted team going inside—well GG isn’t stupid he could hear Jimmy yelling that also and started collapsing his players. On one play Jimmy was screaming his head off to get ball inside, Siena players passed the ball to Imoh 15 feet from Hoop and of course Imoh tried to fiddle and diddle and lost the ball leading to fast break for Hounds- I blame that play on Jimbo – Imoh is out there to play defense rebound and block shots, as Mike Deane once told me about Monty Henderson, if you look down and see Paint you can shoot, if not pass to Marc Brown—well Imoh if you look down and see paint shoot, if not pass ball back to Quis. And Jimmy don’t “force” ball inside to Imoh, he’s been here 4 years very few times has good things happened when forcing ball to Imoh
As for Wormley and Nico— I’ll toot my own horn, I said on this board to and to several board member the freshmen would have big day- was unfair to judge freshmen on road, especially Kenny, who is solid player with great length. Not sure what’s going on with Oliver if he is hearing footsteps of Nico or what, but he hasn’t been his usual reliable self
I will say this- 2 off games in a row, cant force things inside when nothing is there, and if a team figures out the press don’t keep giving up wide open shots. If we don’t play better vs Cornell this team will lose Tuesday night
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Post by Papi on Nov 28, 2015 16:45:09 GMT -5
Without the 3 point shooting this is a crippling loss. It's a game changer. They hit 10 as well, how so? Do you watch the game or just look at stats? Siena was about to get blown out at home. Down 15 to a shitty team, if they don't hit 5 3's in that part of the game its a loss.
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 28, 2015 16:48:11 GMT -5
For the record, I don't mind Wormley starting as long as he plays the Nickerson role effectively and Clareth still gets 25+. I have a major problem with Clareth sitting on the bench for anything over 15 mins a game. I had suggested we might have to try to get LaRose involved with Oliver running the "token PG role" if Wormley continued to put 0's up across the board in the boxscore. The thought was we could add another shooter to a team that was struggling from three. Thus, is where this conversation originates. We can't have a guy playing 12-15 mins a game who gets almost no boards, no assists, no pts, no steals, and no blocks. He doesn't have to score all the time but he has to do something. And your last paragraph is where we disagree on the stat aspect metric. Kenny is playing as the primary ball handler. This allows Wright to play the 2 and get out and run on breaks. Kenny also saves Wright from expending energy over the first 5 minutes of the game by not having the ball in his hands. Kenny is also able to help against the press and this also allows Wright to conserve some energy. In addition having Wright at the 2 spot gives us a different look and allows him to attack the hoop or shoot from the perimeter without having to handle the ball from the plays onset. This is what I mean by intangibles that don't show on a stat sheet. Today Kenny provided an added bonus but this isn't always necessary from him to be of value. Kenny is a solid ball handler who makes good decisions and plays steady. This is not always measurable. So i guess we can agree to disagree how we determine value. As someone who has played and coached a bit i look at the game differently I guess.
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Post by sldps on Nov 28, 2015 16:52:00 GMT -5
They hit 10 as well, how so? Do you watch the game or just look at stats? Siena was about to get blown out at home. Down 15 to a shitty team, if they don't hit 5 3's in that part of the game its a loss. Did you watch the first half, or just look at second half?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 16:54:19 GMT -5
For the record, I don't mind Wormley starting as long as he plays the Nickerson role effectively and Clareth still gets 25+. I have a major problem with Clareth sitting on the bench for anything over 15 mins a game. I had suggested we might have to try to get LaRose involved with Oliver running the "token PG role" if Wormley continued to put 0's up across the board in the boxscore. The thought was we could add another shooter to a team that was struggling from three. Thus, is where this conversation originates. We can't have a guy playing 12-15 mins a game who gets almost no boards, no assists, no pts, no steals, and no blocks. He doesn't have to score all the time but he has to do something. And your last paragraph is where we disagree on the stat aspect metric. Kenny is playing as the primary ball handler. This allows Wright to play the 2 and get out and run on breaks. Kenny also saves Wright from expending energy over the first 5 minutes of the game by not having the ball in his hands. Kenny is also able to help against the press and this also allows Wright to conserve some energy. In addition having Wright at the 2 spot gives us a different look and allows him to attack the hoop or shoot from the perimeter without having to handle the ball from the plays onset. This is what I mean by intangibles that don't show on a stat sheet. Today Kenny provided an added bonus but this isn't always necessary from him to be of value. Yeah, and I get that. But Oliver and Long can and already do that too if that's what is required of the "token PG". You could just as easily let Oliver do that during the early portion of the game too. He was actually at his best with the ball in his hands at the end of last year cause he took advantage of the drops offs from others. He either took a three or attacked to the midrange.
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Post by sldps on Nov 28, 2015 16:54:37 GMT -5
They won, relax. Stop being Saturday evening pg's, we should have an exciting yr.
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Post by Papi on Nov 28, 2015 16:56:05 GMT -5
Without the 3 point shooting this is a crippling loss. It's a game changer. Yup - It helped but Loyola had the exact same number of points from 3. It didn't change the game for them. Any critical points, key defensive stops and smart basketball can be called a game changer. If you or anyone else doesn't think that run of 5 3 pointers didn't change the game I give up.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 28, 2015 16:56:57 GMT -5
Do you watch the game or just look at stats? Siena was about to get blown out at home. Down 15 to a shitty team, if they don't hit 5 3's in that part of the game its a loss. Did you watch the first half, or just look at second half? He sees what he wants to see that best fits his agenda.
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Post by Tony on Nov 28, 2015 17:00:33 GMT -5
They won, relax. Stop being Saturday evening pg's, we should have an exciting yr. Agreed-- we won.. freshman almost always play better at home- its not like Kenny is playing 30 min a game he is avg 12 min a game- he brings energy, is long, athletic, good defender, very good lateral quickness ( something Oliver cannot supply) I don't always agree with Jimmy, but in this case I do. Kenny Wormley has a nice "upside" and will be a very good player for us next 4 years
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Post by Papi on Nov 28, 2015 17:01:20 GMT -5
Did you watch the first half, or just look at second half? He sees what he wants to see that best fits his agenda. I give up.
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 28, 2015 17:04:44 GMT -5
And your last paragraph is where we disagree on the stat aspect metric. Kenny is playing as the primary ball handler. This allows Wright to play the 2 and get out and run on breaks. Kenny also saves Wright from expending energy over the first 5 minutes of the game by not having the ball in his hands. Kenny is also able to help against the press and this also allows Wright to conserve some energy. In addition having Wright at the 2 spot gives us a different look and allows him to attack the hoop or shoot from the perimeter without having to handle the ball from the plays onset. This is what I mean by intangibles that don't show on a stat sheet. Today Kenny provided an added bonus but this isn't always necessary from him to be of value. Yeah, and I get that. But Oliver and Long can and already do that too if that's what is required of the "token PG". You could just as easily let Oliver do that during the early portion of the game too. He was actually at his best with the ball in his hands at the end of last year cause he took advantage of the drops offs from others. He either took a three or attacked to the midrange. The problem with Oliver is that when he started from the IUP game on he played poorly as a starter. I like him off the bench. I feel he plays better in that role Oliver's poor play as a starter Is how you ended up with Kenny. Good move on JPs part moving Wright to the 2. I like Lavon around the basket foul line in .. I don't think you want him as a primary ball handler running offense. As long as Nico is getting major minutes I have no trouble with the lineup as is .... Specially if we are winning
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Post by indian82 on Nov 28, 2015 17:05:34 GMT -5
He sees what he wants to see that best fits his agenda. I give up. Promise?
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Post by indian82 on Nov 28, 2015 17:10:42 GMT -5
Yup - It helped but Loyola had the exact same number of points from 3. It didn't change the game for them. Any critical points, key defensive stops and smart basketball can be called a game changer. If you or anyone else doesn't think that run of 5 3 pointers didn't change the game I give up. Well, sure. Like I said it helped, but did Loyola's 3's change the game for them when they made them. They made the same number as us and we beat them by 8. With your handle, you make it sound like that's the only thing that can be a 'game changer'. Many things in this game helped change them game in our favor and does so in every game. It does not all rest on the three. It's just another weapon. If you don't think so, then I can't help you. But I'm not giving up.
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