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Post by hankla on Mar 15, 2015 12:05:20 GMT -5
I'm so old I remember that in the Suburban Council Sam Perkins was frequently kept out of the paint by bulky football players. They forced Sam to shoot from the outside when the shot was only worth two not three.
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Mar 15, 2015 12:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 15, 2015 12:13:18 GMT -5
Columbia sent big a Frank Austin at Sam and. Fight started
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 15, 2015 12:25:29 GMT -5
Disclaimer: This in no way is an attempt to make a comparison between the two players mentioned. I am amused by the few comments that are basing the value of a player on the basis of one game. Take Steph Curry and his game where Patsos doubled him the entire game and he was held scoreless. Terrible player right. Couldn't score against a mediocre to bad Loyola team. Clearly a D II player. I'm sure LaRose is not a bad as some here would make him out to be based on a single viewing. I didn't see the game, but from the reporting the kid seems to have a good approach not forcing and taking what is given and allowing the team to get the W. I wish LaRose the best at Siena and hope his team continues to advance. Bill I see where you going with the analogy but not even close Patsos double and triple teamed SC using a junk defense scheme Playing aggressive man D to deny and doubling on a touch is pretty std stuff in an attempt to shut down a good player. Congrats to HF because they were highly effective in stopping KL unfortunately for them they just couldnt stop the other OFA players who compensated and got the W.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 15, 2015 12:53:52 GMT -5
People can see things differently OI. Per kk's post, Larose's stat line was good, not forcing anything, feeding teammates for open looks leading to a 15 pt win. Good team player who based on previous games can knock down the open three. (Something the Siena team needs). He looks like a good piece to the puzzle at this point. As you say and as in all things, time will tell. I'll remain optimistic.
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Mar 15, 2015 12:56:18 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 15, 2015 12:56:18 GMT -5
People can see things differently OI. Per kk's post, Larose's stat line was good, not forcing anything, feeding teammates for open looks leading to a 15 pt win. Good team player who based on previous games can knock down the open three. (Something the Siena team needs). He looks like a good piece to the puzzle at this point. As you say and as in all things, time will tell. I'll remain optimistic. Accurate.
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Mar 15, 2015 13:00:51 GMT -5
Post by Sienafan on Mar 15, 2015 13:00:51 GMT -5
I find the comments on this kid amusing. Based on a one game sample, which by all accounts is his lowest performing this season, he is labeled a div. 2 player. The fact that he was double-teamed with physical defense specifically designed to take him out of the game and make his teammates beat the opponent appears to be of little consequence because it wasn't high-major recruits guarding him. Superior talent doesn't usually overcome superior numbers. LaRose in fact did the right thing in that game. He didn't force it against the double-teams. Instead, he let his teammates with the game. Sounds like a smart, team-oriented player to me. Had he tried to force it through the constant double teams and turned it over instead of passing the ball, we'd now be reading in this thread how much of a black hole he is. That all being said, I have a couple of questions:
1. If LaRose is allegedly a div. 2 player according to some expert scouts here, how is it possible that he's one of 4 finalists for NY State Mr. Basketball this season? 2. Can someone explain to me how NY State H.S. basketball is organized? I don't understand the classes, divisions, sections, etc. I'm trying to get a handle on what level this dude plays at.
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Mar 15, 2015 13:18:27 GMT -5
Post by musicman on Mar 15, 2015 13:18:27 GMT -5
I can't believe some of the comments from people that say they were at the game. Not very athletic, can't jump that well, doesn't have a good handle with the ball. The kid was malled all game long. The number 32 on HF should have fouled out the first quarter. I don't know how three refs couldn't see the pushing and holding he did the entire game. As far as not being very athletic I have never seen Rob Poole slam a two hand dunk off of a missed shot. There was not one play run the entire game for this kid. The reason he didn't score is he passed off to his team mates as he was double and triped teamed so his team could win the game. At the end when the team needed to be settled down they did put the ball in his hands finally and he handled the pressure just fine. What I saw was a good athlete with exceptional basket sense and skills. He will be a great addition to the future of Siena Basketball. well said. This kid is going to eventually be a real sniper for us. It's going to be fun seeing how he fit in with the other players.
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Mar 15, 2015 13:18:45 GMT -5
Post by SaintMisbehavin on Mar 15, 2015 13:18:45 GMT -5
Our new shooting specialist.
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Mar 15, 2015 13:19:50 GMT -5
Post by musicman on Mar 15, 2015 13:19:50 GMT -5
A one game sample where he has a guy in his jock all game long does not tell us a lot. This is the same kid that dropped 30 on Albany Academy. I'm not saying he's a star. As such, he won't be drawing any junk defenses designed to stop him once he's in the green and gold. He has a talent for shooting. We need that talent from at least a few complimentary players. another great point!
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Post by gorvy on Mar 15, 2015 13:23:55 GMT -5
I can't answer #1. But question #2:
NYS public high schools are organized in 10 sections. None of these sections include NYC. There are 5 classes. AA A B C D. The Double As are by far the largest schools -- Shen, CBA, Guilderland ETC. The As are the next largest Scotia dominates this class now. Kinnon plays in B like Watervliet (made a run recently), Cohoes, etc. Wincowski played in C with lake george. The Ds are the smallest school -- Adonal Foyle came out of a D school though in the 90s.
The PSAL is made up of NYC schools. THey also have an AA, A and B. The Catholic schools (CHSAA) have their own group. The remaining few schools not in any of those are in the AIS (Independent). Albany academy usually plays in this group. At the end of the season, each of those four state champions play each other in the federation tournament. Usually the CHSAA, AIS and the PSAL dominate these, but occasionally the public schools win.
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Post by musicman on Mar 15, 2015 13:31:46 GMT -5
A third party article says 'constant double teams'. This I believe. I'm of the mind that the other team just tried to take him out of the game and that's why he only had 11 pts, 6 boards, 7 assists, 4 blocks, and sounds like 2 steals while shooting 7-8 from the FT line with a put back jam. If Lavon put up a night like that, he'd get praise. This is one of his worst games at a lesser level. No one ever said this kid was a jet or was supposed to be a PG. The question remains, can he be our next Poole/Oliver type? Those guys aren't meant to be double/triple teamed either. As of now, LaRose needs to be a contributor. Let's give him a shot to see what he can do while being guarded by one person. He's got size. He's got a shot. Seems like he's got some toughness. Let's give the kid a chance. He's got a shot and I like his demeanor. He doesn't ever seem to lose his cool or get rushed. He seems like a very relaxed player. Good temperament.
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Mar 15, 2015 13:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 15, 2015 13:33:52 GMT -5
I find the comments on this kid amusing. Based on a one game sample, which by all accounts is his lowest performing this season, he is labeled a div. 2 player. The fact that he was double-teamed with physical defense specifically designed to take him out of the game and make his teammates beat the opponent appears to be of little consequence because it wasn't high-major recruits guarding him. Superior talent doesn't usually overcome superior numbers. LaRose in fact did the right thing in that game. He didn't force it against the double-teams. Instead, he let his teammates with the game. Sounds like a smart, team-oriented player to me. Had he tried to force it through the constant double teams and turned it over instead of passing the ball, we'd now be reading in this thread how much of a black hole he is. That all being said, I have a couple of questions: 1. If LaRose is allegedly a div. 2 player according to some expert scouts here, how is it possible that he's one of 4 finalists for NY State Mr. Basketball this season? 2. Can someone explain to me how NY State H.S. basketball is organized? I don't understand the classes, divisions, sections, etc. I'm trying to get a handle on what level this dude plays at. Where were all the actual/official D1 offers? I read here that there was one from Hartford but it was eventually pulled. I've also read here that he was blowing up, I've seen nothing official either way. Just a lot of talk. As to his section he's playing against inferior competition similar to Joel W. Did that impact his recruiting? Class goes by school size/section by geographical location. Hard to gage him by that, he did start a number of games for the Rocks so that should count for something. He's also has had decent games vs better comp from section 2 .. AA for example. What is Mr NY a combo of Academics and Athletics, what does it mean really? I'm not saying the kid IS D2 he just looked it vs HF. Could be better or not. Hard to tell by that/1 game. If interested go see for yourself Friday.
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Mar 15, 2015 14:23:31 GMT -5
Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 15, 2015 14:23:31 GMT -5
Columbia sent big a Frank Austin at Sam and. Fight started Frank Austin? lol He looked like one of the Hanson brothers from Slapshot! The year before we had to get a police escort out of there. Crazy amount of racist signs and props. Ahhh, the gold 'ole days.
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Mar 15, 2015 14:25:40 GMT -5
Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 15, 2015 14:25:40 GMT -5
I find the comments on this kid amusing. Based on a one game sample, which by all accounts is his lowest performing this season, he is labeled a div. 2 player. The fact that he was double-teamed with physical defense specifically designed to take him out of the game and make his teammates beat the opponent appears to be of little consequence because it wasn't high-major recruits guarding him. Superior talent doesn't usually overcome superior numbers. LaRose in fact did the right thing in that game. He didn't force it against the double-teams. Instead, he let his teammates with the game. Sounds like a smart, team-oriented player to me. Had he tried to force it through the constant double teams and turned it over instead of passing the ball, we'd now be reading in this thread how much of a black hole he is. That all being said, I have a couple of questions: 1. If LaRose is allegedly a div. 2 player according to some expert scouts here, how is it possible that he's one of 4 finalists for NY State Mr. Basketball this season? 2. Can someone explain to me how NY State H.S. basketball is organized? I don't understand the classes, divisions, sections, etc. I'm trying to get a handle on what level this dude plays at. Where were all the actual/official D1 offers? I read here that there was one from Hartford but it was eventually pulled. I've also read here that he was blowing up, I've seen nothing official either way. Just a lot of talk. As to his section he's playing against inferior competition similar to Joel W. Did that impact his recruiting? Class goes by school size/section by geographical location. Hard to gage him by that, he did start a number of games for the Rocks so that should count for something. He's also has had decent games vs better comp from section 2 .. AA for example. What is Mr NY a combo of Academics and Athletics, what does it mean really? I'm not saying the kid IS D2 he just looked it vs HF. Could be better or not. Hard to tell by that/1 game. If interested go see for yourself Friday. Just curious, but if you saw the two games Platek played against Shen this year, what would your scouting report/opinion on him be?
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 15, 2015 14:31:39 GMT -5
Where were all the actual/official D1 offers? I read here that there was one from Hartford but it was eventually pulled. I've also read here that he was blowing up, I've seen nothing official either way. Just a lot of talk. As to his section he's playing against inferior competition similar to Joel W. Did that impact his recruiting? Class goes by school size/section by geographical location. Hard to gage him by that, he did start a number of games for the Rocks so that should count for something. He's also has had decent games vs better comp from section 2 .. AA for example. What is Mr NY a combo of Academics and Athletics, what does it mean really? I'm not saying the kid IS D2 he just looked it vs HF. Could be better or not. Hard to tell by that/1 game. If interested go see for yourself Friday. Just curious, but if you saw the two games Platek played against Shen this year, what would your scouting report/opinion on him be? Unfortunately not work gets in the way but I get to as many Syr Siena UA and high school games as I can. I did here Shen locked Platek up in the last one not sure about the 1st meeting.
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