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Post by indian82 on Aug 27, 2014 10:30:30 GMT -5
I'll proactively ask you - Should we be doing airstrikes in Syria?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 12:14:41 GMT -5
I'll proactively ask you - Should we be doing airstrikes in Syria? Yes, I believe we should strike the ISIS forces in Northern Syria and I believe that planning is already in place and will be executed. There will be (and in some cases already is) criticism that ISIS would have been halted had we employed unilateral (without a coalition) airstrikes and or armed rebels in Syria when Assad was fighting "insurgents" throughout Syria. The argument at the time was "we don't know who the 'good' guys are - the insurgents were made up of Syrians wanting a better government AND ISIS members who wanted a caliphate. The veracity of that argument has proven itself with the emergence of ISIS. Had we armed that population, ISIS would be even stronger now than they are. I believe President Obama has taken the correct course of action throughout. We created the mess in Iraq and we must use our airpower now to halt and (hopefully) defeat ISIS - the only solution will be a partitioned Iraq (the outcome so steadfastly predicted by Thomas Freidman prior to the Iraq war). We will be shedding our treasure and some American lives for a long time before the area is semi-stable. |
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Post by indian82 on Aug 27, 2014 13:00:05 GMT -5
I generally agree, although Obama called ISIS the 'JV' team a few months ago. He is too quick to give the radicals a pass. This is obviously a volatile and sensitive topic re: military action, but I hope Obama does not dawdle on the limited strikes against ISIS in Syria and Iraq and that we proactively do more humanitarian relief there. It's in hindsight, but I think we should have acted more forcefully when we knew ISIS was moving into Iraq in caravans in 'OUR equipment!!' (we could have taken out quite a lot fairly easily then) and terrorizing that minority population.
This may be a naive thought, but I would also like to see if we could make an attempt to rescue some of our people held hostage there. We should at least make a statement that our citizens are off-limits. And just disgusting that some of our people are fighting with ISIS and even more disgusting the British national was the one doing the beheading of our journalist.
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Post by CellarRat on Aug 27, 2014 14:30:45 GMT -5
I'll proactively ask you - Should we be doing airstrikes in Syria? Yes, I believe we should strike the ISIS forces in Northern Syria and I believe that planning is already in place and will be executed. There will be (and in some cases already is) criticism that ISIS would have been halted had we employed unilateral (without a coalition) airstrikes and or armed rebels in Syria when Assad was fighting "insurgents" throughout Syria. The argument at the time was "we don't know who the 'good' guys are - the insurgents were made up of Syrians wanting a better government AND ISIS members who wanted a caliphate. The veracity of that argument has proven itself with the emergence of ISIS. Had we armed that population, ISIS would be even stronger now than they are. I believe President Obama has taken the correct course of action throughout. We created the mess in Iraq and we must use our airpower now to halt and (hopefully) defeat ISIS - the only solution will be a partitioned Iraq (the outcome so steadfastly predicted by Thomas Freidman prior to the Iraq war). We will be shedding our treasure and some American lives for a long time before the area is semi-stable. I.e Obama is doing the best he can and it's all Bush's fault. Hilarious. It's time to get a leader that is what presidents are for. They unite and solidify a country and point us in a direction. The Right or wrong direction can always be argued in hindsight, but a leader is needed to lead. No matter what your military strategy is there appears to be a consensus even in the liberal media that this is not an administration that is overly concerned with foreign policy. This of course is the kinder characterization with some saying it is outright incompetence. That opinion is shared by Hilary Clinton. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 18:59:09 GMT -5
Yes, I believe we should strike the ISIS forces in Northern Syria and I believe that planning is already in place and will be executed. There will be (and in some cases already is) criticism that ISIS would have been halted had we employed unilateral (without a coalition) airstrikes and or armed rebels in Syria when Assad was fighting "insurgents" throughout Syria. The argument at the time was "we don't know who the 'good' guys are - the insurgents were made up of Syrians wanting a better government AND ISIS members who wanted a caliphate. The veracity of that argument has proven itself with the emergence of ISIS. Had we armed that population, ISIS would be even stronger now than they are. I believe President Obama has taken the correct course of action throughout. We created the mess in Iraq and we must use our airpower now to halt and (hopefully) defeat ISIS - the only solution will be a partitioned Iraq (the outcome so steadfastly predicted by Thomas Freidman prior to the Iraq war). We will be shedding our treasure and some American lives for a long time before the area is semi-stable. I.e Obama is doing the best he can and it's all Bush's fault. Hilarious. It's time to get a leader that is what presidents are for. They unite and solidify a country and point us in a direction. The Right or wrong direction can always be argued in hindsight, but a leader is needed to lead. No matter what your military strategy is there appears to be a consensus even in the liberal media that this is not an administration that is overly concerned with foreign policy. This of course is the kinder characterization with some saying it is outright incompetence. That opinion is shared by Hilary Clinton. So share your views of what should be/have been done with all of us unclean. What would you do in the present situation? Would you bomb inside Syria? Would you have armed ISIS indirectly when they were fighting Assad and the boys in Damascus? Explain how Bush's actions were positive in Iraq? What goals, that the previous leader "BUSH THE GREAT," set were achieved in Iraq? Share your views, oh sage one! |
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Post by th24 on Aug 27, 2014 19:59:04 GMT -5
I'll proactively ask you - Should we be doing airstrikes in Syria? Hell yes! Send them all to hell! But will Obama do it ? |
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Post by indian82 on Aug 27, 2014 20:02:26 GMT -5
Yes, I believe we should strike the ISIS forces in Northern Syria and I believe that planning is already in place and will be executed. There will be (and in some cases already is) criticism that ISIS would have been halted had we employed unilateral (without a coalition) airstrikes and or armed rebels in Syria when Assad was fighting "insurgents" throughout Syria. The argument at the time was "we don't know who the 'good' guys are - the insurgents were made up of Syrians wanting a better government AND ISIS members who wanted a caliphate. The veracity of that argument has proven itself with the emergence of ISIS. Had we armed that population, ISIS would be even stronger now than they are. I believe President Obama has taken the correct course of action throughout. We created the mess in Iraq and we must use our airpower now to halt and (hopefully) defeat ISIS - the only solution will be a partitioned Iraq (the outcome so steadfastly predicted by Thomas Freidman prior to the Iraq war). We will be shedding our treasure and some American lives for a long time before the area is semi-stable. I.e Obama is doing the best he can and it's all Bush's fault. Hilarious. It's time to get a leader that is what presidents are for. They unite and solidify a country and point us in a direction. The Right or wrong direction can always be argued in hindsight, but a leader is needed to lead. No matter what your military strategy is there appears to be a consensus even in the liberal media that this is not an administration that is overly concerned with foreign policy. This of course is the kinder characterization with some saying it is outright incompetence. That opinion is shared by Hilary Clinton. Wow - Really? Do you always have to make this a partisan thing? If you can't see that the previous administration had some culpability in this you have your head in the sand. I am one of the first to say that Obama has made many foreign policy mistakes, but this is an American issue not a left or right issue. Obama made a big mistake by pulling totally out of Iraq and I criticize him even more when on one hand he claims it a vicory and as fulfilling a campaign promise and on the other saying he had no choice because it was decided before him. So there I agree that's a failure of leadership. Just being decisive and acting like a leader does not make the decision right, but I still agree we need better leadership. Either way, we, meaning the U.S., are in this position now and, as you say, we need to come together, not be divisive and partisan as you seem to be. So, like I asked TH24, I will ask you - do you think we should bomb (airstrikes) ISIS in both Iraq & Syria? |
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Post by th24 on Aug 27, 2014 20:12:12 GMT -5
“No matter what we do, they’re going to come after us. And if we let ISIS expand […] then they’re going to be a far more formidable threat, and they will be here. And they’ll be here maybe this 9/11. I don’t know, but we’d better be much more prepared than we were for Benghazi.” —Gen. Tom McInerney bit.ly/VQ8sU6 |
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Post by indian82 on Aug 27, 2014 20:58:20 GMT -5
“No matter what we do, they’re going to come after us. And if we let ISIS expand […] then they’re going to be a far more formidable threat, and they will be here. And they’ll be here maybe this 9/11. I don’t know, but we’d better be much more prepared than we were for Benghazi.” —Gen. Tom McInerney bit.ly/VQ8sU6Rather than continually quoting and linking videos, what do you think should be done? |
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Post by th24 on Aug 28, 2014 3:28:24 GMT -5
“No matter what we do, they’re going to come after us. And if we let ISIS expand […] then they’re going to be a far more formidable threat, and they will be here. And they’ll be here maybe this 9/11. I don’t know, but we’d better be much more prepared than we were for Benghazi.” —Gen. Tom McInerney bit.ly/VQ8sU6Rather than continually quoting and linking videos, what do you think should be done? If I were President Obama I would put politics aside for once and start listening to my Generals/Intelligence experts! All of witch support aggressive airstrikes against ISIL in Syria ! Doing nothing, or taking too long to act has terrible consequences! |
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Post by CellarRat on Aug 28, 2014 16:29:27 GMT -5
Rather than continually quoting and linking videos, what do you think should be done? If I were President Obama I would put politics aside for once and start listening to my Generals/Intelligence experts! All of witch support aggressive airstrikes against ISIL in Syria ! Doing nothing, or taking too long to act has terrible consequences! This is the most partisan administration in my lifetime. The "don't do anything stupid" foreign policy is moronic. I guess this is the Obama doctrine. |
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Post by th24 on Aug 28, 2014 16:47:50 GMT -5
A short time ago, President Obama addressed the growing threat of terror group ISIS stating, “we don’t have a strategy yet.” bit.ly/1u1zy6EA.K.A.-I don't have a F-ken idea what I'm doing! I haven't heard such clueless remarks since Mitch left Siena!  |
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Post by th24 on Aug 29, 2014 3:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by indian82 on Aug 29, 2014 6:58:21 GMT -5
The 'No Strategy' comment is really embarrassing. But that's OK, the fund raising has not been deterred.
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