Patriotism and Compromise

[Deleted]

Worth a read, IMO.

www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Compromise-a-virtue-of-real-patriots-5600688.php

[psycholojets]

Politicism over patriotism...ok I made up a word. So shoot me!
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[CellarRat]

Sometimes compromise is not a viable option instead it is a slippery slope to inevitable doom.

Do we compromise with the rapist, wife beater, or murderer. Do we tell them they can rape, but rape less, etc.

So again stop the implicit silliness, the compromise, if it is possible must come from the left. The president is not a leader. Leaders lead, they don't follow. "Leading from behind" is just a euphemism for being a follower. Our president is not a leader, he is an organizer, a radical one at that, and the quintessential example of a demagogue.

In the democratic primaries of '08 I felt that anyone but Hilary would be a good choice for the dems. Hilary, although I think she would make a poor president would still be a much better leader than O. He is a very divisive arrogant man.

[SaintsFan]

Jul 10, 2014 16:42:27 GMT -5 CellarRat said:

Sometimes compromise is not a viable option instead it is a slippery slope to inevitable doom.

Do we compromise with the rapist, wife beater, or murderer. Do we tell them they can rape, but rape less, etc.

So again stop the implicit silliness, the compromise, if it is possible must come from the left. The president is not a leader. Leaders lead, they don't follow. "Leading from behind" is just a euphemism for being a follower. Our president is not a leader, he is an organizer, a radical one at that, and the quintessential example of a demagogue.

In the democratic primaries of '08 I felt that anyone but Hilary would be a good choice for the dems. Hilary, although I think she would make a poor president would still be a much better leader than O. He is a very divisive arrogant man.

Lol

[psycholojets]

What could be more arrogant than to claim that you are SO correct that compromise is not an option?

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[indian82]

Politicians for the same country always have to compromise unless they work from such an incredible position of strength (and even then it could border on arrogance and even totalitarianism). It's just a matter of how much and what you give up vs what you get.

[CellarRat]

Jul 11, 2014 9:49:49 GMT -5 psycholojets said:

What could be more arrogant than to claim that you are SO correct that compromise is not an option?

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And that was the position of Obama, Pelosi and Ried, during the health care debates. So I guess I agree with you, they are an arrogant bunch. A moronic arrogant bunch and you apparently agree with them.

[psycholojets]

Really CR, no compromise at all on the ACA? Lol

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[Deleted]

CR has, as you might be able to tell, CRS disease - Can't remember shit - especially Republican shit!

[CellarRat]

Unlike yourself I am not registered with any party and I'm not a party ideologue. You like most liberals are so emotional and nonsensical it isn't worth my time or effort to teach you something. Your party has and continues to destroy the middle class, by destroying incentive and creating entitlement. Keep up the good work.

Provide a response and try to be succinct. That means short and sweet in case you didn't know. In the alternative, say nothing, it would be a pleasant surprise as well as a blessing.

[Deleted]

Jul 16, 2014 17:26:30 GMT -5 CellarRat said:

Unlike yourself I am not registered with any party and I'm not a party ideologue. You like most liberals are so emotional and nonsensical it isn't worth my time or effort to teach you something. Your party has and continues to destroy the middle class, by destroying incentive and creating entitlement. Keep up the good work.

Provide a response and try to be succinct. That means short and sweet in case you didn't know. In the alternative, say nothing, it would be a pleasant surprise as well as a blessing.

"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." From Bertrand Russell's "A History of Western Philosophy" - Is that succinct enough for you Rat?

[CellarRat]

Jul 16, 2014 19:46:19 GMT -5 @misspractice said:

Jul 16, 2014 17:26:30 GMT -5 CellarRat said:

Unlike yourself I am not registered with any party and I'm not a party ideologue. You like most liberals are so emotional and nonsensical it isn't worth my time or effort to teach you something. Your party has and continues to destroy the middle class, by destroying incentive and creating entitlement. Keep up the good work.

Provide a response and try to be succinct. That means short and sweet in case you didn't know. In the alternative, say nothing, it would be a pleasant surprise as well as a blessing.

"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." From Bertrand Russell's "A History of Western Philosophy" - Is that succinct enough for you Rat?

No. I was hoping you would just keep quiet. Your quote comes from a man who identified himself as a socialist - so I'm not surprised you would quote him. Why don't you quote Saul Alinsky while you are at it - I'm sure he is another hero of yours.

[Deleted]

One should respect public opinion insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny.
Bertrand Russell

He also said this. Maybe MP should join our minority.

[Deleted]

Jul 16, 2014 20:16:33 GMT -5 CellarRat said:

Jul 16, 2014 19:46:19 GMT -5 @misspractice said:

"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." From Bertrand Russell's "A History of Western Philosophy" - Is that succinct enough for you Rat?

No. I was hoping you would just keep quiet. Your quote comes from a man who identified himself as a socialist - so I'm not surprised you would quote him. Why don't you quote Saul Alinsky while you are at it - I'm sure he is another hero of yours.

Up until your post, I had never heard of Saul Alinsky. Since you are obviously very familiar with him, I did some quick research and found the following post from one of the patron saints of the Right - the Always Right Reverend Glen Beck:

www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals

Very interesting, as Mr. Beck is certainly collating and quoting Mr. Alinsky's tactics for use by you and your connected-at-the-hip radical whacko mentors. As I read each of the 12 points I can easily see how they have been embraced and used by today's conservative extremists. Boner Boehner must have the 12 points on a plaque in his office and they must be required reading for all who enter prior to taking any action proposed by the Administration or demanded by the public. You clearly operate under Rule 12 all of the time. The Right's failure to follow Rule 11 is likely one of the many reasons that allowed the Affordable Care Act to become law!

Thanks for giving me the reference, it helps me understand how and why the Right takes the actions they do.

[CellarRat]

MP you're a stubborn obstinate fellow. I understand that you are in favor of European socialism, destruction of the middle class and higher and higher taxes. You also would prefer that government become larger and larger. Again, I disagree, I want the power and wealth to remain with the people not crazy ideologues like yourself. All of this, you think, will lead to a better life for more people. I think you are wrong, as history has proven.

So I guess the compromise is a stalemate. The less government does during this current debacle of an administration the better.