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Post by MTS on Apr 13, 2014 8:31:07 GMT -5
I think Yankee made a valid point over on the SmackBoard a while back when he said we still lacked a "dominant" player. And there will be teams that are more athletic than us. Expectations can be a heavy burden for a young team to carry. Look at the great teams Hewitt and McCaffery produced..there was no dominant scorer on those teams either. Of course to this point there isn't a player on the level of Faison, Hasbrouck, or Ubiles. The current freshmen have a chance to turn into dominant players in the MAAC depending on how much they improve over the offseason. We do need to get more athletic but that doesn't always win games. Fresno State was more athletic than Siena was and we beat then two out of three to win the CBI championship. The sum is greater than the parts on this team.
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 13, 2014 8:31:11 GMT -5
The other key is every player improving their shooting percentage from the field and line a couple of percentage points. That should happen with another yer of experience. This will get us over 75ppg
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Post by Big papi on Apr 13, 2014 9:04:31 GMT -5
Siena might be ahead of schedule for the comeback, now the expectations are too. A top 5 finish and 18-20 wins isn't unrealistic.
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Post by siena7127 on Apr 13, 2014 9:15:36 GMT -5
Siena might be ahead of schedule for the comeback, now the expectations are too. A top 5 finish and 18-20 wins isn't unrealistic. . Agreed but I would like to see more like 20-22 wins.
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Post by Tony on Apr 13, 2014 9:21:32 GMT -5
Siena might be ahead of schedule for the comeback, now the expectations are too. A top 5 finish and 18-20 wins isn't unrealistic. . Whose expectations? If they are too steep for you make sure you don’t buy a ticket to post season next year( oh that’s right you don’t anyway) since we finished 5th with 11 MAAC wins this year with a underclass dominated team- with 4 freshmen and 2 sophomores in playing group, we add a "impact" transfer- an improvement on those numbers is realistic for sure-in fact a repeat of those numbers would be on the under-performing side
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 13, 2014 9:28:23 GMT -5
Plus we should have a winning record in the non - league schedule this year
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Post by Tony on Apr 13, 2014 9:38:03 GMT -5
Papi needs to get on the bus or get run over by it..I dont think anyone is expecting Fran's teams next year- but we justifiably expect to be in the mix for conference title--in fact that's Siena's stated goal every year. Iona will be good--St peters, Manhattan and Quinny all have the potential to be very good.Nobody in the conference returns as much as Siena does
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Post by MTS on Apr 13, 2014 9:54:46 GMT -5
Early for expectations but with the OOC schedule I'm thinking a 20-9 type of regular season. I would say something like 6-3 in the non-league schedule and 14-6 in the MAAC which is probably good for at least second place. We can do better (or not as good if we don't get better) than this projection but it depends on a few things. What kind of a sophomore jump do the frosh make? How good is Pat Cole? What do the incoming freshmen add? How does Jimmy address the foul situation? Can we be at least .500 on the road (road wins at Rider, at Quinnipiac and at Fresno State were hopefully a sign of things to come that we can away from the TUC). If these questions are answered positively and everything goes right we could win 23 or 24 games going into the MAAC tournament.
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Post by Big papi on Apr 13, 2014 10:01:12 GMT -5
Papi needs to get on the bus or get run over by it..I dont think anyone is expecting Fran's teams next year- but we justifiably expect to be in the mix for conference title --in fact that's Siena's stated goal every year. Iona will be good--St peters, Manhattan and Quinny all have the potential to be very good.Nobody in the conference returns as much as Siena does I thought 3-5 more regular season wins was an improvement. Top 5 also means finishing 1-5, not 5th like you're trying to say that's where I say they'll finish. There are 10 other schools in this conference who improve and recruit like Siena. Siena isn't the only team who gets better each year. If you win more games you move up in the standings pretty simple stuff Tony, don't take everything as a knock. players develope
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Post by indian82 on Apr 13, 2014 10:11:08 GMT -5
Papi needs to get on the bus or get run over by it..I dont think anyone is expecting Fran's teams next year- but we justifiably expect to be in the mix for conference title--in fact that's Siena's stated goal every year. Iona will be good--St peters, Manhattan and Quinny all have the potential to be very good.Nobody in the conference returns as much as Siena does I thought 3-5 more regular season wins was an improvement. Top 5 also means finishing 1-5, not 5th like you're trying to say that's where I say they'll finish. There are 10 other schools in this conference who improve and recruit like Siena. Siena isn't the only team who gets better each year. If you win more games you move up in the standings pretty simple stuff Tony, don't take everything as a knock. That's fair re: the reg season wins. So a bump from 15 to 20 is a reasonable expectation as you state. I will say that kind of a bump in wins should also get you top 2-3 (I hope for a 14-6 conf rec). Regarding other team's recruits and improving - That's true as well, but the difference is Siena loses no one and everybody gains in experience (esp w/ freshman and the successful post-season) so I think Siena has a bigger ceiling for improvement. Thus, my rationale for top 2-3.
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 13, 2014 10:52:11 GMT -5
And in the end, injuries or lack of them, will play a huge role in the final standings. And one team will have a kid bake a huge unexpected leap like Bisping did this year and that will also be a factor
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 11:58:38 GMT -5
The other key is every player improving their shooting percentage from the field and line a couple of percentage points. That should happen with another yer of experience. This will get us over 75ppg This is possible but I'm not counting on it. We may score over 70 and be more efficient doing so but the way Patsos manages the games has been putting his teams closer ranked 300th in tempo rather than anything fast. The MAAC was the fastest league in the nation this year so our average tempo is overinflated by our opponents like Iona, Manhattan, Niagara, Monmouth and Quinny who all were top 85 in tempo. 4 were top 50. We may get faster but 75 seems a lot for our tough style. I agree with Tony RE: St. Peters. They are still adding players and got rid of dead weight. Burke did a lot of key things for them that they still have to replace. Dunne with experienced guys in a relatively inexperienced league usually equates to some measure of success. Wyche can't score but he can manage a game pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 12:26:57 GMT -5
Siena might be ahead of schedule for the comeback, now the expectations are too. A top 5 finish and 18-20 wins isn't unrealistic. Agreed. OOC is pretty weak, could go 7-2 with 15-16 MAAC wins and you have 22-23 wins. . Agreed but I would like to see more like 20-22 wins.
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Post by $cott on Apr 13, 2014 12:38:07 GMT -5
Andujar isn't much of a shooter but there are very few defenders in the MAAC that can stop him from getting to the hoop, he will be good for 15-17 a game next year.
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Post by MTS on Apr 13, 2014 16:18:11 GMT -5
Plus we should have a winning record in the non - league schedule this year Siena's 2014-15 Non-conference opponents with 2013-14 RPI: @ UMass 26 @ St. Bonaventure 86 Vermont 100 Bucknell 170 UAlbany 171 @ Fordham 225 @ Radford 229 @ Loyola 273 Cornell 329 Average RPI of 179 - I expect Siena to do very well in the OOC with this schedule. Worst case a 6-3 record you add in 14-6 in the MAAC... 20 wins in the regular season is very attainable. I'd actually be disappointed if it doesn't happen. But as mentioned above we need to answer questions positively. Good coaches win at Siena and Jimmy is a very good coach from what he did at Loyola and what he did this season.
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