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Post by MTS on Feb 23, 2014 22:49:12 GMT -5
Siena controls it's own destiny. Win both and we get a bye. Rider & Marist need to win both & hope Siena doesn't. I'll take our chances over Rider's or Marist's. This is the best way to put it. BUT, I have to look at odds. Quinny barely beat Marist at home. Now they have to come to McCann. Quinny beat Siena AT Siena and now Siena has to go there. IF you look at past results, it favors us IMO. Yankee even if we lose at Quinny - if Siena beats Monmouth - even if Marist wins their last two games - you need Rider to go 0-2. Siena should root for Rider to beat Canisius at home. I highly doubt they win at Iona but who knows.
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Post by th24 on Feb 24, 2014 0:55:57 GMT -5
Moving forward- don't underestimate the leadership of this team. It's seems that Poole, Hymes, Oliver and Bisping have been taking greater control of the teams emotions both on and off the court.
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 24, 2014 2:18:55 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say Siena has the easiest road of the three. Rider is pretty much effed and is looking at an 0-2 finish. Marist has the weakest team to play - but it's on the road where Marist has only won 3 times this season (they lost at Niagara, which is tied for last with Fairfield. If Siena loses a game, both of the others still have to go 2-0 to take 5th. But Siena can do it going 1-1 if the others lose a game too. Siena is the only one that controls its own destiny and can do it without help. If Marist beats Quinny at home, we are in a great spot. They most likely finish ahead of Manhattan. Marist has FF on the road, they have beaten two lesser teams on the road recently in Rider and Monmouth. Marist has the easiest schedule and Siena almost HAS to win at Quinny if you are honest with yourself. You neglected to mention those are the only 2 MAAC road wins Marist has. They lost at Niagara, which is weaker than Fairfield in my opinion. Remember - the Stags took out the Jaspers in CT. I think you're underselling the difficulty of that game for Marist. Siena doesn't have to win at Quinny. If Marist or Rider lose one game, it's over as long as they beat Monmouth. So Marist must win 2, while Siena can get there with only 1. Marist clearly has the tougher road. It's simple math.
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Post by psycholojets on Feb 24, 2014 5:07:02 GMT -5
Let the games begin...well Thursday let them begin. This is why they play the games.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 24, 2014 7:25:00 GMT -5
If Marist or Rider lose one game, it's over as long as they beat Monmouth. If Rider wins two games the highest Siena could finish is 6th in this scenario. It is not quite as simple as you say, but I agree I like Siena's chances.
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 24, 2014 7:42:53 GMT -5
If Rider wins two games the highest Siena could finish is 6th in this scenario. It is not quite as simple as you say, but I agree I like Siena's chances. Rider has lost 5 of its last 6 games headed into its finale against Iona & Canisius. It's a safe bet they won't be winning 2 games.
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Post by capper55 on Feb 24, 2014 9:40:48 GMT -5
Saturday, March 8, 2014 - Men's Quarterfinals #4 (CANISIUS OR MANHATTAN) vs. #5 ESPN3 2:30 p.m. or
Thursday, March 6, 2014 - Men's First Round
#6 vs. #11 (NIAGARA,FAIRFIELD OR MONMOUTH)
9:00 p.m.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 24, 2014 10:03:57 GMT -5
I like our chances in the 4 v. 5 game.
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Post by Tony on Feb 25, 2014 17:14:05 GMT -5
John Templon @nybuckets Feb 23
Updated MAAC 5th seed odds: Siena 65% (36% outright, 29% tie). Marist 18%. Rider 13%. Saint Peter's 4%. What's the Siena/Marist tiebreaker?
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 25, 2014 18:25:20 GMT -5
John Templon @nybuckets Feb 23 Updated MAAC 5th seed odds: Siena 65% (36% outright, 29% tie). Marist 18%. Rider 13%. Saint Peter's 4%. What's the Siena/Marist tiebreaker? If they finish in a tie, Marist wins the tiebreaker by virtue of having beaten Quinny - a better win than Siena's win over Manhattan. This assumes Siena loses to Quinny. If Siena beats Quinny, but loses to Monmouth, Siena wins the tie because of the Manhattan win.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 25, 2014 18:33:11 GMT -5
John Templon @nybuckets Feb 23 Updated MAAC 5th seed odds: Siena 65% (36% outright, 29% tie). Marist 18%. Rider 13%. Saint Peter's 4%. What's the Siena/Marist tiebreaker? If they finish in a tie, Marist wins the tiebreaker by virtue of having beaten Quinny - a better win than Siena's win over Manhattan. This assumes Siena loses to Quinny. Unless rider goes 1-1 then it goes to siena.
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 25, 2014 18:45:07 GMT -5
If they finish in a tie, Marist wins the tiebreaker by virtue of having beaten Quinny - a better win than Siena's win over Manhattan. This assumes Siena loses to Quinny. Unless rider goes 1-1 then it goes to siena. Rider is pretty much out of it. They can't get it unless they go 2-0 against Iona & Canisius, which is highly unlikely. If Marist springs a surprise on Quinny in Poughkeepise, then we need to start sweating. But the Fairfield game is key, and might even be the tougher task for Marist. Marist is terrible on the road - only 3 wins away from McCann all season. They lose that and 5th for Siena is just a Monmouth home win away. I expect Rider to go 0-2, Siena 1-1, and a best case scenario for Marist is 1-1 - this result gives Siena 5th. If Marist can pull off both beating Quinny and earning just their 4th road win all season back to back, they deserve 5th. But watch out for St. Peters, who finish with bottom feeders Fairfield and Niagara at home. If SPU, Marist, and Rider all finish 9-11, things get interesting - and I think Rider ends up with the short end of the stick.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 25, 2014 18:59:20 GMT -5
Lol that would be funny. We could draw canisius and send them packing. Order restored.
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