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Post by Tony on Nov 30, 2013 18:18:08 GMT -5
Bzzzt Please stop the insanity --I like White, I want him on the floor-- but he HAS to get under control-- way too many whacky out of control shots- I realize its a fine line between aggressive and out of control but Maurice needs to find that line As for who has missed more bunnies-- you must be a radio listener... otherwise you would know Maurice has missed more shots than Bisping has even attempted in fact Bisping ( who is shooting 57%)has 7 more field goals in 20 less attempts than White or how about Silas shooting 55% and who has also made 7 more field goals in 20 less attempts I know you like Maurice as do I but shooting 14-59 ( 27%) isn't going to get it done. Maurice is a freshmen and will improve-- but sorry you dont ignore shooting stats like those.. and you certainly dont try to compare him to leading pct shooters on team I like the idea of starting White-- but as soon as he takes a stupid shot ( not a good shot he misses) he should be pulled Step back friend. I asked who missed more bunnies Since White has missed more shots than either Silas or Bisping as attempted -- answer is nobody on team has missed more from 5 feet and in than Maurice ( and its really not even close) -- and on the flip side Maurice has gone to line more than anyone on team-- which goes back to what I was saying a fine line between out of control stupid shot and aggressive play. Maurice like many freshmen needs to find that line, the sooner he finds that line the better off Siena will be. I expect Maurice to operate much more effectively against MAAC level talent where the guards are not as athletic and bigs are not as fast or talented to close out lanes
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 30, 2013 18:18:13 GMT -5
Bzzzt Please stop the insanity --I like White, I want him on the floor-- but he HAS to get under control-- way too many whacky out of control shots- I realize its a fine line between aggressive and out of control but Maurice needs to find that line As for who has missed more bunnies-- you must be a radio listener... otherwise you would know Maurice has missed more shots than Bisping has even attempted in fact Bisping ( who is shooting 57%)has 7 more field goals in 20 less attempts than White or how about Silas shooting 55% and who has also made 7 more field goals in 20 less attempts I know you like Maurice as do I but shooting 14-59 ( 27%) isn't going to get it done. Maurice is a freshmen and will improve-- but sorry you dont ignore shooting stats like those.. and you certainly dont try to compare him to leading pct shooters on team I like the idea of starting White-- but as soon as he takes a stupid shot ( not a good shot he misses) he should be pulled Step back friend. I asked who missed more bunnies White has already missed 4-5 dunks, can't get any closer than those & still miss. That being said I still like Brett. & White. Actually, there 's not a Siena player I don't like. I may not agree with others as to skills, but I'll always like any Siena player. I find it very difficult to not root for any Siena player. To do so is counter productive.
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Post by bigsaintg on Nov 30, 2013 18:19:52 GMT -5
Ok we can't let this happen. Our own Norm and Cliff are now going at it. Stop the insanity and pray for the start of the MAAC season
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Post by Tony on Nov 30, 2013 18:22:11 GMT -5
Let it be known that Jimmy was in White's face for this game. He yelled at him for not passing the ball and missing shots. He said to him "play with confidence." " ... Not passing the ball and missing shots." Those weren't Jimmy's exact words, but sounds way better than what he said. Jimmy sounded like Fran when yelling (teaching) White. I like White & think he'll be a very good player, but he has missed at least 4-5 dunks in games & many more in practice/scrimmages. If he simply shot an easy lay-up in those dunk attempts he should have made them (like Mike Wilson did last night). Also he needs to stop those Drives to the basket with a wild shot, & try and put up a shot that has a chance to go in. He'll learn and be fine . I agree 100%.. Maurice does a lot of things well.. once he squares away his shot selection "issues" he will be fine.. and I will add a year with trainer those slight misses on dunks will be flushes next year. In fact I expect Maurice to be downright nasty next year giving several players facials if he works hard
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Post by Tony on Nov 30, 2013 18:24:54 GMT -5
Ok we can't let this happen. Our own Norm and Cliff are now going at it. Stop the insanity and pray for the start of the MAAC season We are not as far apart as some think- we both think Maurice is a talented player- Saintfans thinks Jimmy should let him play thru his mistakes- I think he should get his dumb ass pulled every time he makes a bonehead play
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Post by bigsaintg on Nov 30, 2013 18:29:36 GMT -5
The truth is always somewhere in the middle my friend. Btw - I didn't say who was Cliff and who was norm
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 30, 2013 18:30:12 GMT -5
" ... Not passing the ball and missing shots." Those weren't Jimmy's exact words, but sounds way better than what he said. Jimmy sounded like Fran when yelling (teaching) White. I like White & think he'll be a very good player, but he has missed at least 4-5 dunks in games & many more in practice/scrimmages. If he simply shot an easy lay-up in those dunk attempts he should have made them (like Mike Wilson did last night). Also he needs to stop those Drives to the basket with a wild shot, & try and put up a shot that has a chance to go in. He'll learn and be fine . I agree 100%.. Maurice does a lot of things well.. once he squares away his shot selection "issues" he will be fine.. and I will add a year with trainer those slight misses on dunks will be flushes next year. In fact I expect Maurice to be downright nasty next year giving several players facials if he works hard I'm sort of hoping he'll be fine (this year) against MAAC opponents. He's shown that ability to drive to basket against UAlbany/VT. I'm hoping that by Feb/March those wild drives may result in drive "makes" and ones.
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Nov 30, 2013 20:21:03 GMT -5
Seems like the harshness of criticism on this board is selective. I agree that White has made some bad plays, but his hustle has also made positive plays. The board ducks talking about Long's constant foul trouble and his high number of turnovers. As a starter, he has not been a factor in most of the games when the outcome was in the balance. His scoring has been minimal when the game is close. There is much blame to go around, but the language used to describe Long's play is docile compared to what is said about others. If you are going to use harsh language to describe a player's performance, be fair and do it across the board.
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Post by bigsaintg on Nov 30, 2013 20:25:57 GMT -5
Hoops1988 you missed last weeks debate on bring foul prone. I say averaging over 4 fouls a game is foul prone but someone disagreed. We beat it to death already
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 20:28:17 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think you had a valid point bigsaintg
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Post by bigsaintg on Nov 30, 2013 20:55:49 GMT -5
Racers edge you think? Just reading the stats - lol
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 30, 2013 20:56:28 GMT -5
Seems like the harshness of criticism on this board is selective. I agree that White has made some bad plays, but his hustle has also made positive plays. The board ducks talking about Long's constant foul trouble and his high number of turnovers. As a starter, he has not been a factor in most of the games when the outcome was in the balance. His scoring has been minimal when the game is close. There is much blame to go around, but the language used to describe Long's play is docile compared to what is said about others. If you are going to use harsh language to describe a player's performance, be fair and do it across the board. I have to admit, I'm a little tougher on White & Wolf. Mainly since many who only saw them in the one or two scrimmages only saw their athleticism & thought they should start. What they didn't see in practice is they still needed work learning system. They didn't want to hear it. Now watching them play people may begin to understand the coaches not playing them as much. However, Jimmy will challenge them each day in practice & they'll be fine. Don't forget White is still a month or so behind everyone else in learning since he came later in summer. I'm much less critical of Long because Long does so much that doesn't show up in stats. He's almost always playing hard & smart. Enough where Jimmy doesn't pull him as often as others. He's normally guarding a bigger person. How many times has he saved balls from going out of bounds to knock it off opposing player before crashing to floor or into basket support? Too many to count. It's those hustle plays that makes up for his TOs. Compare that to White's too many to count missed borderline out of control to baskets. I expect Long to cut down on TOs & fouls and White to begin making more if those wild drive shots when MAAC play begins. So I guess I'm selective in my criticism however still like all players & root for them against the enemy.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Nov 30, 2013 21:04:58 GMT -5
Hoops1988 you missed last weeks debate on bring foul prone. I say averaging over 4 fouls a game is foul prone but someone disagreed. We beat it to death already No longer a debate my friend. . Lavon leads the league in fouls lol He needs to get a hold of that.. that's the only thing that keeps him on the bench.. I say a prayer every game for him not to foul out.. He will figure it out at some point.. Relax coach the fans like Maurice White..
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Post by takethecharge on Nov 30, 2013 21:15:53 GMT -5
I am a firm believer that a strong big man is NOT doing his job if he does not have 4 STRATEGIC fouls a game....minimum 3.
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 30, 2013 22:03:46 GMT -5
I am a firm believer that a strong big man is NOT doing his job if he does not have 4 STRATEGIC fouls a game....minimum 3. Your user name is take the charge. They appear not to make that call any more
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